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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 16:35:53 No.43150748 View View Reply Original Report

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>Fantastic physical movepool with varied options
>85 Attack and 105 Special (110 and 145 while Mega)
>Extremely limited Special movepool
Why does GF do stuff like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 16:51:14 No.43150834 Report

Quoted By: >>43150856 >>43155032

>>43150748
Pre phys/special split statting so he could use leaf blade well. He really shouldve been physical anyway though, the design screams ohysical attacker

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 16:52:23 No.43150846 Report

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I want Sceptile feet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 16:53:31 No.43150856 Report

Quoted By: >>43150867 >>43154149

>>43150834
>Pre phys/special split statting so he could use leaf blade well.
Not that it mattered much, it was only 70 BP back then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 16:55:46 No.43150867 Report

Quoted By: >>43151079

>>43150856
I wish they would buff Razor Shell to 90 as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 17:09:15 No.43150927 Report

Quoted By: >>43150932 >>43151232 >>43154934

>>43150748
They did it with inteleon too. Even charizard kind of suffers from this.
It's the lizard starter curse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 17:09:30 No.43150928 Report

Quoted By: >>43151087

>>43150748
mega should be physical based with technician
>dual chop
>bullet sneed
>bulldoze
>rock tomb
and a shit ton of technician based moves

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 17:10:29 No.43150932 Report

Quoted By: >>43150978 >>43151028 >>43151087

>>43150927
*laughs*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 17:21:56 No.43150978 Report

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>>43150932
That’s not a fucking lizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 17:28:23 No.43151028 Report

Quoted By: >>43151563

>>43150932
>shitty movepool and stats on both the physical and special side, relying on a broken hidden ability and one single move to not be Meganium-tier

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 17:36:57 No.43151079 Report

Quoted By: >>43151160 >>43151499 >>43154293

>>43150867
That doesn't make sense.
>Goliospod learns Razor Shell before Liquidation
>Liquidation is weaker than it's previous STAB move
Make Razor Shell fully accurate and guaranteed defense drop like Fire Lash

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 17:39:22 No.43151087 Report

Quoted By: >>43151351 >>43152927

>>43150928
Even then if they tossed ancient power and earth power with technican it might've been solid
>HP becomes a 90bp of any type you need
>Ancient power keeps flying types away from switching
>Dragon breath is now stronger than pulse with a small para chance
>>43150932
>Serp's physical coverage
Grass
Normal
Dark
Water
Steel
Dragon
>Serp's special coverage
Grass
Normal
Dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 17:43:57 No.43151108 Report

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Mons from before the P/S split really should've had their stats changed.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 17:54:05 No.43151160 Report

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>>43151079
Literally just change the movesets. You think they didn’t do that with Leech Life?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 18:04:51 No.43151226 Report

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>>43150748
They keep doing this to some of the starters. I really don't understand their logic behind Empoleon's movepool. Most of its moves are physical, even by evolution it learns Metal Claw and Aqua Jet, learns Swords Dance naturally, hidden ability is Defiant, but its attack is pretty weak. They think it's physical but it doesn't have the right stats for it. Sceptile should learn something like Air Slash or Earth Power to complement its movepool. Charizard also fell in this category, but because it got two Megas, now it can use both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 18:06:22 No.43151232 Report

Quoted By: >>43151282

>>43150927
Fun fact: Inteleon's stats are identical to Sceptile's but with 20 base points taken out of Special Defense and put into Special Attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 18:17:04 No.43151282 Report

Quoted By: >>43156937

>>43151232
In other words, they’re not identical

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 18:31:45 No.43151351 Report

Quoted By: >>43151510

>>43151087
Looking at Serp's movepool, it would benefit from Simple more than Contrary. The idea of Leaf Storm + Contrary is amazing, but because of it's limited coverage, it feels like a one-trick pony

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 19:02:26 No.43151499 Report

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>>43151079
I don't care about Golisopod

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 19:04:01 No.43151510 Report

Quoted By: >>43155109

>>43151351
No it wouldn’t

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 19:12:40 No.43151563 Report

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>>43151028
It has glare and leach seed. It can run a leech see+sub set pretty well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 19:20:00 No.43151620 Report

Quoted By: >>43155032

>>43150748
grass moves were all special when it was introduced and gamefreak is too lazy to update stat and movepool distributions with each generation

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 22:37:46 No.43152927 Report

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>>43151087
Serp doesn't need coverage when it can spam a 130 BP STAB move that doubles as a free nasty plot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:01:57 No.43153946 Report

Quoted By: >>43155032

>>43150748
Because Sceptile was designed in gen 3 when every grass move was special and they were too stupid to fix any of the old mons' stats when the physical special split happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:32:41 No.43154149 Report

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>>43150856
70 bp was standard damage back then. Strongest grass move after solar beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:43:26 No.43154233 Report

Quoted By: >>43154317 >>43155032

>>43150748
Sceptile was intended to be a Physical Pokémon design wise, just look it, doesn't looks like a foe who attack you with beams or shut like that, he looks like will use his limbs and razor leaves to rip you. Even the Pokedex describe it good physical abilities. The thing is plant was an special type, they have to fix Sceptile

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:51:49 No.43154293 Report

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>>43151079
The real answer to this is to delete liquidation

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:54:28 No.43154315 Report

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>>43150748
Honestly instead of changing it's stats (Since I know they won't) They should just give it the gen 1 pokemon treatment and give a huge special movepool for absolutely no reason at all. Not everything, but coverage like thunderbolt and flamethrower etc should do the trick

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:54:31 No.43154317 Report

Quoted By: >>43155032

>>43154233
This times 1000.
Leaf Blade was Sceptile's signature move in gen 3, and it was special because it was grass. It stands to reason that Sceptile would use the move clearly designed for it with its stronger attacking stat. But when Leaf Blade changed to be physical, Sceptile didn't change and now its former signature move isn't even one of its best options.
I'm not one of those people who thinks every mon should be minmaxed to hell and back, but Pokemon should at least have stats that make them good at what they're supposed to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:55:26 No.43154324 Report

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Simply because Sceptile is for sex, not for your stupid man children meta bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 03:10:47 No.43154934 Report

Quoted By: >>43156479

>>43150927
Inteleon doesn't even have the excuse of being from before the physical special split. What was GF thinking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 03:24:46 No.43155032 Report

Quoted By: >>43157357

>>43150834
>>43151620
>>43153946
>>43154233
If it was supposed to be a physical attack then it would’ve had a higher attack regardless. So...

>>43154317
It’s supposed to be a fast special attacker, and that’s what it is

Seriously, you guys need to get over this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 03:34:32 No.43155109 Report

Quoted By: >>43155219

>>43151510
>coil giving a +2 boost to attack, defense, and accuracy
>growth giving a +2 boost to its attacking stats, raised to a +4 boost in the sun
>learns swords dance via TM/TR, which synergizes extremely well with leaf blade
It would be one of the only Pokemon with good enough attacking stats and bulk to actually use Simple. And having more than one option means it would absolutely have more uses for Simple than it would for Contrary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 03:50:52 No.43155219 Report

Quoted By: >>43155255

>>43155109
And none of those options are as good as simply spamming Leaf Storm and getting a free +2 out of it. You’re looking at things in a vacuum of it having more setup moves to use when Serperior was hardly ever used purely for setup with Leaf Storm. As much as /vp/ likes to make Serperior out to be a one trick pony since they don’t know shit about competitive, it has a lot more going on with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 03:57:20 No.43155255 Report

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>>43155219
And more importantly, even if it is a one trick pony, it's better to have one good trick than several shit tricks.
Case in point, Dracovish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 03:58:12 No.43155259 Report

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>>43150748
Just use Swords Dance

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 04:19:47 No.43155409 Report

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>>43150748
Because they couldn't be stuffed rebalancing things after the physical/special split. At least Sceptile has options.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 04:59:46 No.43155714 Report

Quoted By: >>43156027 >>43156550

Why are people bringing up the physical/special split as if it had anything to do with Sceptile not being rebalanced?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 05:47:10 No.43156027 Report

Quoted By: >>43156045 >>43156460

>>43155714
Because the physical/special split is the reason Sceptile needs to be rebalanced.
It's not the only mon that needs it, but it's by far the one that needs it the most.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 05:50:20 No.43156045 Report

Quoted By: >>43156104

>>43156027
This is retarded. Leaf blade had 70 base power in gen 3. Energy ball, a SPECIAL grass move with 80 base power, was introduced in gen 4. Leaf blade being special isn't that one thing that'd suddenly make sceptile good. Hell, in gen III, when base sceptile was actually kind of ok in OU, everyone ran subseed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 06:04:24 No.43156104 Report

Quoted By: >>43156482

>>43156045
It's not just about leaf blade.
Sceptile learns way more physical moves than special, in way more types, and most of them are stronger.
I'm not saying Sceptile will immediately leap to OU if its attack and special attack are flipped around, but I am saying that Sceptile's stats are a relic of a bygone era and it kinda sucks that it lost that synergy, both in battle and in lore, because of a mechanical change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 07:57:17 No.43156460 Report

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>>43156027
>Because the physical/special split is the reason Sceptile needs to be rebalanced
No it’s not
>it's by far the one that needs it the most
No the fuck it doesn’t. Someone already mentioned Typhlosion, who needs buffs more Sceptile

What is wrong with this board

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 08:03:09 No.43156479 Report

Quoted By: >>43156576

>>43154934
several starters have that fast mixed attacker spread, with minor differences

sceptile
greninja
inteleon

sceptile was never changed because, likely, he's still the fastest subseeder in the game and GF thinks that's enough to warrant use

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 08:03:37 No.43156482 Report

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>>43156104
>Sceptile's stats are a relic of a bygone era
What
>it lost that synergy, both in battle and in lore, because of a mechanical change
It didn’t lose shit. Sceptile with Leaf Blade now is stronger than in gen 3

What is this autism?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 08:22:02 No.43156550 Report

Quoted By: >>43156584

>>43155714
It was less about Sceptile specifically and more that it lost all reason for use beyond subseed, since other Grass types were better in other roles.
Breloom was the physically attacking Grass and remained the best in that role until Bulu and Kartana.
Roserade was the best special attacking Grass, later replaced by Chlorophyll Venusaur and Serperior.

Sceptile at least offered some role compression versus Breloom and Venusur in RSE, as both of those Pokemon were forced out by Celebi, while Sceptile was not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 08:29:41 No.43156576 Report

Quoted By: >>43156602

>>43156479
>he's still the fastest subseeder in the game and GF thinks that's enough to warrant use
GF doesn't think in terms of what Smogon does. It doesn't even register in their minds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 08:33:10 No.43156584 Report

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>>43156550
>It was less about Sceptile specifically and more that it lost all reason for use beyond subseed
It never had use beyond SubSeed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 08:40:28 No.43156602 Report

Quoted By: >>43156614

>>43156576
>GF doesn't think in terms of what Smogon does.

Giving Mega Sceptile Lightning Rod seems perfectly in line with designing Sceptile as a subseeder, since that makes him immune to Klefki thunder wave, the greatest threat to the fastest subseed in the game

The Mega form was a referendum on what GF thinks Sceptile should be used as: a subseeder who can threaten with Leaf Storm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 08:46:52 No.43156614 Report

Quoted By: >>43156630 >>43156746

>>43156602
Except GF doesn't think in terms of Smogon and never will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 08:52:32 No.43156630 Report

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>>43156614
Smogon recognizes what GF does, not the other way around. Think about what you say before you shitpost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 09:12:14 No.43156729 Report

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Sceptile @ Cell Battery
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Acrobatics
- Drain Punch
- Swords Dance/Rock Slide/Thunder Punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 09:18:55 No.43156746 Report

Quoted By: >>43156906 >>43157532

>>43156614
Why does Mega Gyarados get Mold Breaker, if not simply to Earthquake Rotom-Wash?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 10:06:25 No.43156906 Report

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>>43156746
Mold Breaker is an incredibly versatile ability, you have a limited point of view if you think hitting Rotom-W is its only use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 10:20:25 No.43156937 Report

Quoted By: >>43157375

>>43151282
it's still pretty dang close
I wonder where else this happens
I know noivern is a special crobat with 7 points moved from speed to special attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 13:08:46 No.43157357 Report

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>>43155032
The dude has knives on his arms so....
Shut the fuck up nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 13:13:33 No.43157375 Report

Quoted By: >>43157415 >>43157419

>>43156937
Meganium’s are identical to Blastoise

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 13:26:20 No.43157415 Report

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>>43157375
The stats of the gen 2 starters were recycled from gen 1’s.
>Typlosion is identical to Charizard’s >Megainum and Feralgatr share the exact numbers of Venusaur and Blastoise but were rearranged slightly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 13:28:10 No.43157419 Report

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>>43157375
The stats of the gen 2 starters were recycled from gen 1’s.
>Typlosion is identical to Charizard’s
>Megainum and Feralgatr share the exact numbers of Venusaur and Blastoise but were rearranged slightly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 13:42:21 No.43157475 Report

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>>43150748
As a child I always thought he was a physical attacker so I only made him learn physical attack, who care about the stat anyway?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 13:56:02 No.43157532 Report

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>>43156746
So you can whack pokemon with the Water Absorb or Storm Drain ability with your water attacks? And ignore Sturdy?

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