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>>43165437
>Ban Dugtrio
Fuck Smogon! Now I can't play with my shitty ass Sand Force Dugtrio!
>Ban Arena Trap
Fuck Smogon! Now I can't play with my shitty ass Arena Trap Trapinch!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 18:43:28 No.43166497 Report

Quoted By: >>43169774

absolutely based, fuck smogon for telling me how competitive Pokémon should be played

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 18:44:30 No.43166506 Report

Quoted By: >>43166578

>>43165437
Obsessed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 18:44:32 No.43166507 Report

Quoted By: >>43166950 >>43172902

>>43165513
>I need an ability banned so I can win
>>43166480
>its shitty that's why I wanted it banned
Git gud scrubs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 18:52:15 No.43166578 Report

Quoted By: >>43166977

>>43166506
>what is reading comprehension

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:33:19 No.43166937 Report

Quoted By: >>43167047 >>43168030

>>43165437
Name one good reason, from a competitive point of view, why AT shouldn't have been banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:35:05 No.43166950 Report

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>>43166507
>its shitty that's why I wanted it banned
Completely missed the point because he is so obsessed he thinks everyone in vp is a low elo shitter with such a smooth brain he can't understand why trapping abilities are so busted

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:37:10 No.43166977 Report

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>>43166578
shut up lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:42:43 No.43167047 Report

Quoted By: >>43167120

>>43166937
I beat it all the time with Corviknight/Dragapult

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:50:16 No.43167120 Report

Quoted By: >>43169755

>>43167047
And Zacian-C can be beaten by Quagsire. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be restricted to Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:31:00 No.43167933 Report

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Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:35:04 No.43167968 Report

Quoted By: >>43169640

OMGON BANS SWAGGE

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:46:26 No.43168030 Report

Quoted By: >>43168182 >>43168190

>>43166937
Git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:06:35 No.43168182 Report

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>>43168030
>no arguement
Yeah ok bitch boy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:08:14 No.43168190 Report

Quoted By: >>43169755

>>43168030
I said a good reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 00:04:02 No.43168915 Report

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>>43165437
Imagine unironically trusting Gamefreak to balance a game themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 02:18:28 No.43169640 Report

Quoted By: >>43169720

>>43167968
Why did omgon ban swagge and not other confusion-inducing moves without the risk-reward aspect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 02:33:36 No.43169720 Report

Quoted By: >>43170424

>>43169640
it was a roundabout way of banning klefki from Ubers without actually banning it from Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 02:39:08 No.43169755 Report

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>>43168190
so why did you ignore the guy that gave a good reason instead of replying to obvious bait
>>43167120

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 02:42:45 No.43169774 Report

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>>43166497
They aren't telling you how to do anything you braindead karenfag, literally just play AG if you don't like "muh bans" and see how balanced it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 05:07:25 No.43170424 Report

Quoted By: >>43170451 >>43170501 >>43170516 >>43171918

>>43169720
And why is banning Klefki necessary? From Ubers no less?
Is it really in the same ballpark as Mega Fug?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 05:14:26 No.43170451 Report

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>>43170424
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 05:29:26 No.43170501 Report

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>>43170424
Nobody talks about Klefki but it's the best pokemon in AG

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 05:33:27 No.43170516 Report

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>>43170424
In gen 6 yes.
There's a reason even the incompetent GameFreak nerfed paralysis, thunderwave, swagger, confusion, AND prankster in gen 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 05:40:58 No.43170535 Report

Quoted By: >>43170558

>>43166434
Autistic levels of competition between manchildren have no place in little kid games either. Imagine if people took hop scotch as seriously as they do competitive Pokemon, same shit. Sorry we're banning the 4th square, it gives people an inherent advantage, also the 2nd square is rarely used and only a niche strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 05:46:45 No.43170558 Report

Quoted By: >>43170570

>>43170535
>Autistic levels of competition between manchildren have no place in little kid games either.
I've yet to see someone point out a game that isn't for children, seeing as games by design need to be simple enough for anyone to understand.
Adults created Pokemon and adults are deciding how to balance the Pokemon meta. Why is that a problem?
I'm more annoyed that, rather than out of fairness or a desire for a healthy game, the AT suspect is motivated by the OU council's personal preferences.
The categorical refusal to ladder with Diglett and Trapinch independently is proof that the entire suspect is a dog and pony show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 05:51:25 No.43170570 Report

Quoted By: >>43170631

>>43170558
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ou-1058816187

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 06:09:16 No.43170631 Report

Quoted By: >>43171060 >>43171290

>>43170570
Very good.
That said, I still don't agree on an AT ban because I think Dracovish should be banned, and a ban on Dracovish wouldn't make that Trapinch play possible.
If Dracovish is banned later on, the AT ban makes Trapinch a scapegoat hit, since retesting AT would also necessitate a Dugtrio retest. Dugtrio is more likely to be broken as more Pokemon, especialyl steels are added back to the dex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 06:17:35 No.43170663 Report

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imagine caring about a meme meta lmao, find something else to do

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 08:23:58 No.43171060 Report

Quoted By: >>43171244 >>43171441

>>43170631
Dracovish isn't broken.
It hits like a truck, but it's a truck that's easy to get out of the way of.
Dugtrio is like a much smaller car about to hit you, but you're shackled to the ground so you just have to stand there and take it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 09:50:32 No.43171244 Report

Quoted By: >>43171256

>>43171060
It forces Seismitoad to be on just about every viable team, Dracovish is easy to deal with but it's sure as hell overly centralizing on the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 09:56:15 No.43171256 Report

Quoted By: >>43171520

>>43171244
You can also use Jellicent, Lapras, Mantine, Maractus, Quagsire, Vaporeon, Araquanid, Gastrodon, Toxicroak, Heliolisk, Arctovish, or a Dracovish of your own.
Those options are far from equally viable, but Seismitoad isn't the only option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 10:01:12 No.43171274 Report

Quoted By: >>43171306

>>43166434
Magnet Pull is alright. If trapping is as specific as "it has to be that type" then it's a good thing. Pursuit also was fine.

Just AT and STag are cancer because it's too spread out. Affecting too many targets warps the metagame around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 10:07:07 No.43171290 Report

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>>43170631
Dugtrio was so good it warped the game around "who wins against dugtrio" top 20 usage shows clearly that only 2 of the top dogs are trapped and demolished by dug, not because players like using those but because being trapped for free is bs.

Dracovish ban wouldn't accomplish much nowadays, we have more than enough tools to win against "La creatura".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 10:17:05 No.43171306 Report

Quoted By: >>43172828

>>43171274
Magnet Pull is a good example of how great trapping abilities inherently are, actually.
Even being as limited as it is, it's still a good enough ability to keep Magneton/Magnezone (whose only move strong against steel is HP fire) in OU since gen 3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 11:19:15 No.43171441 Report

Quoted By: >>43171447

>>43171060
>Dracovish isn't broken

>252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Crawdaunt Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 102-120 (28.9 - 34%) -- 99.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ Atk Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 105-125 (29.8 - 35.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ Atk Choice Band Kartana Sunsteel Strike vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 102-121 (28.9 - 34.3%) -- 99.7% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

Scarf Dracovish hits just as hard as
>Banded Crawdaunt Crabhammer
>Banded Kartana Sunstrike Steel

While also hitting a 379 speed tier under Adamant. That's faster than base 120 speed, with good natural bulk and typing. We're looking at a Pokemon that's clearly better than UU's Crawdaunt, and better than Kartana who was a suspect candidate in Gen VII OU.

Scarf is so good people aren't even looking at the wallbreaking power of a banded set, and needing to run Seismitoad just to not autolose is going to open up opportunities for later Pokemon to take advantage of Seismitoad. Banning Darmanitan made Dracovish more manageable, but what happens when another fast sweeper gets added to the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 11:20:44 No.43171447 Report

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>>43171441
>dracovish is broken
spoken like a true 1000 elo shitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 11:45:12 No.43171520 Report

Quoted By: >>43172792

>>43171256
Literally all of them are inferior to seismichad, also most of them die to a rising in popularity dracozolt

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 13:47:41 No.43171918 Report

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>>43170424
Swagger is just that broken.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 13:54:25 No.43171953 Report

Quoted By: >>43172433 >>43172701 >>43172864 >>43175090

>NOOOOOOO STOP USING DUGTRIO. It makes the game interesting and have more dynamic strategy! I like being able to click my flowchart of moves so I can win games!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 15:34:55 No.43172433 Report

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>>43171953
Hey low elo shitter, you have already been exposed in the other thread. Stop posting your self-portraits. This is pathetic.

>>43167128
>>43167227
>>43167293

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 16:20:03 No.43172701 Report

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>>43171953
If you want a skill based metagame that isn't influenced by severely autistic people who have never entered a tournament just play ADV or GSC. There is no hope for a stable current gen anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 16:33:13 No.43172792 Report

Quoted By: >>43172913

>>43171520
And? They’re still good answers to Dracovish

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 16:39:01 No.43172828 Report

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>>43171306
the juiciest magnet pull target for gen 3 was weak to electric; magneton literally exists as an anti skarm tool for offense and teams to be able to run no-spin builds, although mag+claydol exists as an extra fuck you to that pokemon, being able to snipe forretress and clean metagross is just a bonus

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 16:40:42 No.43172844 Report

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>>43165437
Fuck you and fuck Arena Trap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 16:44:00 No.43172864 Report

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>>43171953
ironically, the most popular dugtrio builds were literal flowcharts of getting switch advantage and forcing the opponent into check over and over again with u--turn/volt, and getting dugtrio as many turns as poosible to come in safely to prevent a lot of possible offensive momentum from the opponent's side.
Teleport clefable is especially devious because literally every fairy resistant/effective type is weak to ground except for levitators or certain dual-type pairings

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 16:53:17 No.43172902 Report

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>>43166507
>>I need an ability banned so I can win
If that would've been the argument then why don't they use this ability themselves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 16:56:32 No.43172913 Report

Quoted By: >>43173014 >>43173331 >>43175497

>>43172792
Dracovish has moves other than Fushious Rend you know.
And honestly, Dracovish should be banned since it requires you to run a water immune Pokemon, and most of them are 2HKO’d by Outrage, Crunch, and Psychic Fangs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 17:10:24 No.43172990 Report

Quoted By: >>43173009

>>43166434
But there's multiple counters to arena trap and dugtrio isn't particularly hard to take down. God I hate Smogon players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 17:12:53 No.43173009 Report

Quoted By: >>43173045

>>43172990
post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 17:13:07 No.43173014 Report

Quoted By: >>43173737

>>43172913
Or literally any dragon or fairy type that can outspeed him. Dragapult knocks Dracovish out with dragon darts 100% of the time. Why are Smogon players so dumb?

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Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 17:17:24 No.43173045 Report

Quoted By: >>43173075 >>43173139

>>43173009
I don't play Smogon tiers or use Pokemon Showdown because I'm not a mouth breathing retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 17:21:29 No.43173075 Report

Quoted By:

>>43173045
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 17:29:15 No.43173139 Report

Quoted By:

>>43173045
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 18:02:06 No.43173331 Report

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>>43172913
Yes, moved that are considerably weaker than Fishous Rend
>And honestly, Dracovish should be banned since it requires you to run a water immune Pokemon, and most of them are 2HKO’d by Outrage, Crunch, and Psychic Fangs
Not without a Choice Band, you miss out on many 2HKOs with a scarf

It’s amazing how much /vp/ talks about banning Dracovish yet it’s not nearly as talked about much at Smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 19:18:12 No.43173737 Report

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>>43173014
Dracovish is arguably not broken but banning it would unarguably improve the health of the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 22:51:26 No.43175090 Report

Quoted By:

>>43171953
Dugtrio is the flowchartiest mon in existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 23:43:31 No.43175497 Report

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>>43172913
>Dracovish has moves other than Fushious Rend you know.
No it doesn't. I know it technically does, but let's be real here, it doesn't.

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