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>>43167104
>Strategy

Pokemon's battle system requires no thought, it's a game of numbers that's entirely match-up based.

The outcome of a match is basically predetermined. There's no emergent gameplay or on-the-spot strategizing.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:51:19 No.43167132 Report

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>>43167104
>real time = no strategy
I love this meme!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:51:20 No.43167133 Report

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>>43167066
I think Pokken is more your thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:52:49 No.43167152 Report

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>>43167080
And it would also be WAY too much work for any company to do. Just make the battles flashier and give the moves more impact like gen 3's flamethrower and thunder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTMJwOPtuB4

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:53:17 No.43167159 Report

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>>43167133
Pokken isn't an RPG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:54:57 No.43167169 Report

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>>43167152
No you can't say the same things as DistantKingdom he's a menace to society. He can't actually have good points that people agree with

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:55:03 No.43167170 Report

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>>43167159
Neither is Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:56:20 No.43167178 Report

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>>43167127
>jargon jargon jargon
At least write up an essay explaining this shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:56:33 No.43167179 Report

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>>43167169
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:59:10 No.43167202 Report

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>>43167133
If only it had a league, routes and towns, with wild pokemon you can see like in lets go, and just throw out your pokemon to start a fight, or something like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:59:42 No.43167209 Report

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>>43167077
Action RPG

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:01:08 No.43167223 Report

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>>43167170
Yes it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:05:24 No.43167258 Report

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Play other games if you don't want turn based RPGs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:05:53 No.43167264 Report

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>>43167209
What are ARPGs with actually dynamic gameplay, because usually they're just turn-based with a waiting game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:18:58 No.43167382 Report

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>>43167066
There's nothing wrong with turn based fights, it just looks like boring shit in Pokémon because they didn't update the visuals at all from the 2D games.
>>43167104
How does giving you free time to decide your next move increase strategy? If anything the chaos of a real time fight would be more encouraging to actual strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:20:01 No.43167391 Report

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>>43167170
Pokémon is an RPG, it's just a really shitty one that does the bare minimum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:26:32 No.43167440 Report

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>>43167066
It really bugs me that the gameplay never evolved, as a kid I wanted the games to be something similar to the anime, not a "just use your imagination bro" thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:40:50 No.43167541 Report

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>>43167066
But Pokemon Go isn’t turn-based?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:51:36 No.43167647 Report

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>>43167440
pokken exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:52:56 No.43167659 Report

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>>43167209
PFHHFHAHA it would be too much work for GF

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:54:36 No.43167672 Report

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>>43167647
Pokken isn't an RPG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:56:45 No.43167687 Report

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>>43167672
but the battling is similar to the ashnime

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:57:29 No.43167697 Report

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>>43167066
>wants it to be more like the anime
>anime is even worse than the games

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:59:03 No.43167708 Report

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>>43167659
So just don't give all of the work to your girlfriend?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:59:31 No.43167715 Report

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>>43167209
Action RPGs are fucking terrible you retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:00:48 No.43167727 Report

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>>43167672
The anime isn't an RPG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:06:55 No.43167778 Report

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>>43167697
Not in terms of the battles. The anime doesn't have the limitations of the games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:08:05 No.43167789 Report

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>>43167077
Hack and slash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:10:13 No.43167807 Report

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>>43167727
But we're talking about the games, not the anime.

>>43167687
But it's not an RPG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:10:46 No.43167814 Report

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>>43167209
Opinion discarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:11:55 No.43167818 Report

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>>43167697
>>anime is even worse than the games
Not anymore.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:12:53 No.43167827 Report

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>>43167066
good, cry more and keep that monkey paw far, far away

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:13:54 No.43167834 Report

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Turn-based combat does not suit Pokemon. It never has.

We have all these creatures with unique abilities, but these abilities never come up in gameplay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:14:26 No.43167839 Report

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>>43167807
What the fuck do you actually want then? You just want DQXI's free roam feature? Because that does absolutely nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:15:17 No.43167844 Report

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>>43167839
Pokemon would be much better if it was more like Dragon Quest. I'm astounded by the difference
in quality between SwSh and DQ11S.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:15:35 No.43167845 Report

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>>43167264
Kingdom Hearts 2 has the best and most fun combat of any video game ever

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:18:51 No.43167867 Report

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zoomers mad they cant "dodge it!" :the thread

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:28:28 No.43167920 Report

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>>43167845
Kingdom Hearts 2 is absolutely not an RPG, it's an action game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:30:39 No.43167929 Report

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>>43167920
>Kingdom Hearts 2 is absolutely not an RPG
Yes it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:32:46 No.43167947 Report

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>>43167929
Is its gameplay closer to Final Fantasy or Legend of Zelda?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:34:40 No.43167964 Report

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>>43167920
It's an Action-RPG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:36:24 No.43167975 Report

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>>43167264
kingdom hearts 2 and 3 are great. probably the best mix of action and rpg ever
nier automata is a work of art. it's by the revengeance devs so the combat is easy to pick up, hard to master. and nier games have fuck crazy fun plotlines so you'll actually enjoy the story
tales games are usually good. graces f, berseria and xillia 2 are my personal favorites. vesperia and hearts r are popular. destiny remake, rebirth, innocence and narikiri dungeon x are also good but jp only
mega man battle network is pretty great with fuck amazing bosses. movement is grid based so you might not like it. 3 and 6 are the best ones, 4 is unplayable dog shit
bloodborne and sekiro are neat. bloodborne is a bit more restrictive in move set, sekiro has fewer rpg elements, but they're a fun playthrough.
there's probably more but that's all i can think of atm

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:38:51 No.43167987 Report

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>>43167975
>nier automata is a work of art
>bloodborne and sekiro
What the fuck by what metric, none of those are RPGs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:41:18 No.43168000 Report

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>>43167987
>levelling
>equipment
>stat management
>side quests
>explorable overworld
they're a mix of an action game (DMC, bayonetta, ninja gaiden) and an RPG
hence, action RPG
what else would you call them

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:42:49 No.43168005 Report

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>>43168000
Those are RPG elements in an action game, which infested every genre from 2000 on. Fucking Borderlands is not an RPG.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:43:52 No.43168011 Report

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>>43168000
Legend of Zelda has literally all of this, but people stopped calling it an RPG a decade ago. Ocarina of Time is a definitive action game.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:43:54 No.43168012 Report

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>>43167209
I like Action RPGs but with Pokemon's roster that ain't happening unless you dexcut the shit out of the game. At that point Dexit will become a Dexodus. It's much better as a spin-o... oh shit, well, leave it to a fangame then

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:49:40 No.43168054 Report

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>>43168005
>Those are RPG elements in an action game
which means the game is an Action-RPG

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:51:54 No.43168075 Report

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>>43167127
>t. 1200 elo

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:52:16 No.43168079 Report

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>>43168054
No, because the definitive genre is very dominantly action. Splatoon is a TPS with platformer elements, nobody fucking calls it a platformer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:53:18 No.43168086 Report

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>>43168054
If your definition of RPG is so loose why do you even care if Pokemon remains an RPG or not

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:00:30 No.43168138 Report

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>>43168011
zelda doesn't have levelling
and the only thing you could call a "stat" is hearts, which goes up when you find an item
if zelda did have leveling and stats i would call it an rpg

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:02:20 No.43168153 Report

Quoted By: >>43168240

>>43168138
You level up your gear in Zelda, and your gear has stats which are made visible in multiple games. BotW even has equipment traits.
Thus, Zelda is an RPG and the term means absolutely nothing anymore. Borderlands is an RPG.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:03:55 No.43168169 Report

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>>43167066
that's japan

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:04:00 No.43168170 Report

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>>43167077
2d fighter

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:10:20 No.43168203 Report

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>>43167159
>>43167209
>>43167440
>>43167672

>I want Pokken but with 800+ fighters

I know GF can be lazy but you tards need to realize what the fuck it actually is you're asking for

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:17:31 No.43168240 Report

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>>43168153
botw sucked so much dick i didn't bother experimenting with armor upgrades
it's so vastly different from any other zelda game, maybe it is an RPG. the general gameplay loops are more like elder scrolls than OoT
back in the 90s, when ff7 brought the "RPG elements" scourge upon an unsuspecting populace, it usually represented experience points and character levels. though there's plenty of RPGs without those and plenty of action games that have them. the distinction between "action RPG" and "action game" is so blurry it basically doesn't exist.
i listed the five traits i use to determine what an action RPG is. everyone has their own version, though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:23:08 No.43168272 Report

Quoted By: >>43168317

>>43168005
Ok, then why don't you name an ARPG game anon, since your so quick to tell other what isn't one.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:28:43 No.43168310 Report

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>>43168169
I can't believe this seething guy spends all day on /v/ /vp/ and /vr/ instead of playing WRPGs. They must really be a boring genre if you'd rather shitpost about JRPGs all day instead :^).

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:29:33 No.43168317 Report

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>>43168272
Only the very best RPG series like Monster Hunter, Legend of Zelda, Dynasty Warriors and Symphony of the Night.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:34:26 No.43168346 Report

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>>43168310
it's funny too because every WRPG has a shitty simplified version of D&D combat whereas JRPGs have crazy fucking shit like sphere grids, item world and junctioning spells to your stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:41:43 No.43168401 Report

Quoted By: >>43168492

>>43168317
>Monster Hunter
What mechanically makes that different than nier automata or dark souls? They both have ways to stat/equip a character so that 2 players can end with very different builds and have real time action combat.
>Legend of Zelda
Depends on the game, I would argue only Zelda 2 or BotW have rpg elements. Most others are simply adventure or action-adventure games.
>Dynasty Warriors
Are you being serious anon? That's a hack and slash.
>SotN
That's basically just a 2d ARPG. If you think SotN is an arpg, then I fail to see how you don't see nier or bloodborne as simply 3d ARPGs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 22:55:07 No.43168492 Report

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>>43168401
he's trolling
dynasty warriors does have a shitload of grinding and farming though, as does SotN if you want the cool weapons

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 23:27:19 No.43168693 Report

Quoted By: >>43168746

>>43167867
>cant dodge it
>every move has a % chance to miss

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 23:37:21 No.43168746 Report

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>>43168693
*uses swift*
eat shit ash

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