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Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 04:08:57 No.43200671 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>43200684 >>43200769 >>43201371 >>43201378 >>43201717 >>43201728 >>43201864 >>43201914

The gen 8 meta is pretty shit, a huge step down from gen 7 which was near perfect after the Zygarde ban.
The defensive pokemon are too good in comparison to the offensive ones we have. Boring Hippowdon/Clefable/Corviknight/Kommo-O/Seismitoad/Mandibuzz etc balances are a total drag to play against.
The dugtrio ban is a step in the right direction but what this meta really needs is Heatran, Lele, Lando, Mega Mawile tier breakers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 04:10:41 No.43200684 Report

Quoted By: >>43200715

>>43200671
>what this meta really needs is Heatran, Lele, Lando, Mega Mawile tier breakers
Good thing they're coming back in the DLC, then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 04:16:02 No.43200715 Report

Quoted By: >>43200756 >>43201623

>>43200684
>he thinks megas are coming back
OH NONONONO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 04:16:47 No.43200716 Report

Quoted By: >>43200737 >>43200748

Imagine claiming the piece of shit gen 7 meta was perfect. The closest the meta has got to perfect was ADV or DPP. DPP before the Mence ban was GOAT

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 04:20:57 No.43200737 Report

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>>43200716
you can practically smell the arm chair analysist that doesn't actually play coming from this post

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 04:22:22 No.43200748 Report

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>>43200716
how are you doing in classic, anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 04:24:57 No.43200756 Report

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>>43200715
I'd be more surprised if they didn't come back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 04:28:13 No.43200769 Report

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>>43200671
There are actually a lot of good set up sweepers available, which is why HO is very viable. There's not much diversity in breakers but they all offer what you need. Kyurem, dracovish, Aegislash, Gengar, Keldeo, conkeldurr, Zeraora all offer enough to break through most team structures.

Whats holding offense back imo is the lack of good offensive pivots. The only good options available is the rotom forms and dragapult.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 06:41:32 No.43201371 Report

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>>43200671
This.
I know most people are joking when they call Landorus the genie of healthy meta, but it actually did keep OU healthy.
Landorus keeps Excadrill, Kommo-O, and Zeraora in line and also shits on Toxapex and (to a lesser extent) Hippowdon.
Heatran deals with Clef, Corv, and Ferrothorn, which I've also grown to realize that I hate over the course of gen 8.
But more importantly, neither Lando nor Heatran are oppressive. They don't have reliable recovery and both have quad-weaknesses, so you can't just dump them into battle mindlessly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 06:46:00 No.43201378 Report

Quoted By: >>43201395

>>43200671
>The gen 8 meta is pretty shit,
No it isn't.

Oh wait, you're talking about the retarded fanfic meta that banned the mechanic that specifically favors offensive Pokemon just to complain that the game is too defensive now. Never mind, enjoy your garbage house rules.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 06:52:11 No.43201395 Report

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>>43201378
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 06:53:07 No.43201398 Report

Quoted By: >>43201407

>>43201395
You can play the official game regardless of VGC, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 06:56:23 No.43201407 Report

Quoted By: >>43201411

>>43201398
literally why
only reason anyone bothered was the prospect of making money and the excuse to travel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 06:57:43 No.43201411 Report

Quoted By: >>43201413 >>43201418

>>43201407
>literally why
To have fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 06:58:52 No.43201413 Report

Quoted By: >>43201726

>>43201411
Exactly. So why play VGC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 07:00:14 No.43201417 Report

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>>43200748
>circlejerkgon classic
No thanks, I play on PO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 07:00:18 No.43201418 Report

Quoted By: >>43201694

>>43201411
right so then why play official metas when they aren't fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 08:16:30 No.43201623 Report

Quoted By: >>43201638

>>43200715
but they in the datamine of Home.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 08:21:05 No.43201638 Report

Quoted By: >>43201654

>>43201623
Mega Slowbro's entry is blanked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 08:26:02 No.43201647 Report

Quoted By: >>43201661

Ubers is going to kick ass when the complex dynamax ban sets in. I might never play OU again.
>Hippowdon/Clefable/Corviknight/Kommo-O/Seismitoad/Mandibuzz

All of those Pokemon are exploitable except Corviknight, who is Celesteela with a better movepool and ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 08:28:05 No.43201654 Report

Quoted By: >>43201677

>>43201638
Home datamine revealed items that would be returning.
Mega stones included, but also things like the thick club and lucky punch pointing to Marowak and Chansey returning, and trade evolution items like the Up-Grade, Dubious Disc, Magmarizer, and Electrizer pointing to the Porygon, Magmar, and Electabuzz lines returning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 08:29:21 No.43201661 Report

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>>43201647
Pray tell what exploitable weakness Clefable has when it's arguably better than Corviknight and offers much more team support with telepassing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 08:34:37 No.43201677 Report

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>>43201654
You are obviously new to Pokémon datamines, if you weren't you would know that Game Freak never scraps item entries from past games, there are still entries for the Red Chain and the likes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 08:43:28 No.43201694 Report

Quoted By: >>43202041

>>43201418
They are fun, youre just shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 08:48:19 No.43201717 Report

Quoted By: >>43201762

>>43200671
>removing half the dex w-will fix the meta!!
Lmao, imagine there were retards out there who actually believed that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 08:50:13 No.43201726 Report

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>>43201413
Because it’s more fun than your fanfic garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 08:50:46 No.43201728 Report

Quoted By: >>43201788

>>43200671
>The dugtrio ban is a step in the right direction
>Banning the one thing that prevented the Clef/Corvi/Water fatass core from switching around ad nauseam is a step into making the meta less of a unbearable turtlefest
Anon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 08:54:59 No.43201746 Report

Quoted By: >>43201783

>>43201661
Dracovish, Garmanitan and Dynamax Ferrothorn were how I dealt with Clefable at the start of the format.
Now, Dracovish still kills Clefable and cleans teams once Seismitoad has been removed.

Corviknight by contrast can't be OHKO with pure power or coverage, requiring you to switch to an electric type or fire type and giving it free turn to do whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 08:58:19 No.43201762 Report

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>>43201717
Depending on which half was removed and what was added in the new generation, it could've fixed the meta.
It didn't, but it could've.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 09:03:53 No.43201783 Report

Quoted By: >>43201838

>>43201746
Corviknight is also OHKOd by Dracovish.
And what is this fantasy scenario where your Dracovish is always in front of Clefable?
If Clefable is out vs something it beats, you still have to switch to a counter. This isn't any different from Corviknight, or any Pokemon for that matter. That's how the whole game works. And it's even shittuer with Clef because it can use wish as you switch and heal something up the next turn or pivot with teleport where as Corviknight can only pivot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 09:05:06 No.43201788 Report

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>>43201728
fat teams uses dug to remove breakers is more cancerous than offensive teams using dug to remove clefs and pexs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 09:25:59 No.43201838 Report

Quoted By: >>43202785

>>43201783
>Corviknight is also OHKOd by Dracovish.

You should look at the calcs again.

>252+ Atk Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Clefable: 459-540 (116.4 - 137%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252+ Atk Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 312-367 (79.1 - 93.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ Atk Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 48 Def Corviknight: 325-384 (81.2 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ Atk Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 48 Def Corviknight: 325-384 (81.2 - 96%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
>252+ Atk Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 247-292 (61.7 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Special Clefable is cleanly killed, while physical Clefable can take a hit. Meanwhile, even special Corviknight is just 2HKO., and it's a 50% shot with rocks up.

If it's bulk up Corviknight it can roost stall out Fishious Rend without a crit. This current meta has almost no good special wallbreakers like an Ash-Greninja that 2HKO Corviknight. Consider this,

>252+ SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 208+ SpD Corviknight: 372-438 (93 - 109.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery

That's incredible bulk. And it's not like Corviknight has no offensive presence. It's a very threatening Pokemon to me and was always my #1 target to kill with Garmanitan when it was legal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 09:36:45 No.43201864 Report

Quoted By: >>43201891

>>43200671
>not just playing gen 7 OU
I'm currently laddering with a team of Dual Weather/dual waters and it's pretty fun.
Charizard / Tyranitar / Tapu Lele / Landorus-Therian / Rotom-Wash / Starmie
it's all your fault OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 09:45:45 No.43201891 Report

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>>43201864
I had some better teams (stuff like sub-kyurem + sub-punch Mawile Balance; Toxicroak rain, Salamence+Volcarona offense), but my old laptop got frieda few weeks ago, now I have to be creative when it comes to teambuilding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 09:57:20 No.43201914 Report

Quoted By: >>43201948

>>43200671
Zygarde was not banned in the Gen 7 meta. It was just restricted, like Kyogre and such.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 10:12:54 No.43201948 Report

Quoted By: >>43202026

>>43201914
I'm still conflicted on the Zygarde50% ban
I won many games with it, but the ban was deserved. Sub+Glare+DDance+Thousand Arrows was fucking nasty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 10:45:58 No.43202026 Report

Quoted By: >>43202093

>>43201948
There are no Z-Moves this gen so it might be balanced this time around

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 10:52:19 No.43202041 Report

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>>43201694
they really aren't
keep having "fun" battling the same pokemon over and over again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 11:17:21 No.43202093 Report

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>>43202026
The best Zygarde sets didn't even carry a z-crystal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Apr 2020 14:46:39 No.43202785 Report

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>>43201838
Vish OHKOs with band. But running band on vish obviously opens you up to being checked by kyurem, etc.

>252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 48 Def Corviknight: 487-574 (121.7 - 143.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 372-438 (93 - 109.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

Honestly corv bulk is just cancer, this thing survives an LO zeraora plasma fists after rocks, and has a good chance to live +2 cloyster icicle spear as well.

>252 Atk Zeraora Plasma Fists vs. 252 HP / 48 Def Corviknight: 270-320 (67.5 - 80%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

>+2 252 Atk Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 48 Def Corviknight: 305-365 (76.2 - 91.2%) -- approx. 6.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Its retarded as hell that every HO team basically has to run bisharp so corv can't just freely come in 24/7 and defog, and even then corv can just use body press and one shot.

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