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Was it actually a shillmon?

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 21:22:38 No.43229161 View View Reply Original Report

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I’ve seen this discussion come up and there’d be heated debate about it. What determines a Pokemon being a shillmon and why does Incineroar fall into that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 21:26:07 No.43229197 Report

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>>43229161
Of course it's a shillmon, are you fucking retarded? It was pushed literally everywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 21:27:08 No.43229207 Report

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>>43229161
cute

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 21:34:54 No.43229250 Report

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>>43229161
I think the pokemon company was genuinely confused about which horse they should back with the alola starters. Primarina has a sizeable fanbase for itself but the one that would gain the most widespread popularity of the three was almost certainly going to be Decidueye or Incineroar. Unlike Greninja though, neither of these two completely outpaced the other, so shilling was kind of split between the two lines. Despite Rowlet and Decidueye’s popularity in the last poll I think Incineroar definitely pulled ahead in terms of shilling with the anime and smash boosts. That being said I like all three so whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 21:45:17 No.43229318 Report

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>>43229161
I honestly think that if they gave him more bulky legs and normal hands and arms, he would be most popular from all of alola trio, people complain mostly on that

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 21:49:01 No.43229353 Report

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>>43229161
>10/10 base and second stage
>0/10 final stage
What went wrong

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 21:52:03 No.43229381 Report

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>>43229318
Just the lower arms/wrists. Smaller legs and giant paws works with what Torracat was aiming for, with its bulky-ass upper body and front legs and skinny stick hind legs.

Also show it can go on all fours in a not-stupid way like Feraligatr can. I saved this a while back from an edit thread a cool anon made, if this was actually in the games I don't think anyone would be as whiny as they were. It even makes the hands look like paws.

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 21:53:10 No.43229388 Report

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>>43229318
Its limbs used to bother me too until I realized how short tiger front legs are compared to their hind ones, and Torracat and Incineroar just switch that around to be a better fighter. Look at how much pic related’s front legs look like Incineroar’s legs and how much its back thighs resemble the latter’s biceps.

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 21:55:54 No.43229408 Report

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>>43229161
How is it not?
>pushed in anime
>pushed in movie
>pushed in smash
>stupidly useful in VGC with a toolset that’s screams bias, and only got more tools the gen after
Like the only thing it’s missing is being shilled before the games even came out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 21:59:33 No.43229441 Report

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>>43229388
Actually, sabertooth tigers explicitly have longer arms than back legs and are muscular as hell. It's been recently discovered they also had giant front paws vs back feet. You could justify it through that. Don't expect Pokemon fandom to ever acknowledge something could have some realistic basis, even coincidentally, in any form though.

>https://www.paleowire.com/just-out-large-carnivore-footprints-from-the-late-pleistocene-of-argentina-ichnos/
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982217311892#bib1

Again, I'm convinced if they had Incineroar wander on four legs in some official media, not in the atrocious M20 way but as a tiger would if exaggerated top-heavy one, a lot of hatred would die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 22:08:33 No.43229536 Report

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>>43229161
A pokenon heavily marketed regardless of general opinon. Lucario for example was marketed all the way in the tail end of gen 3. Incineroar is considered a shillmon as it got in smash despite most polls favoring one of the other two starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 22:19:09 No.43229633 Report

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>>43229441
That’s pretty interesting, I didn’t know that about sabretooths. But I don’t think that it’s much of a reach to believe that Incineroar just had the limbs of a normal tiger swapped to better fit its wrestler function. The train of logic seems pretty clear to me: Litten is a domestic cat that bulks up as it gains muscley tiger characteristics through evolution so let’s give the final evo wrestler stylings (nips love Tiger Mask), wait tiger arms are too short for that and their hind legs are much stronger looking, switch ‘em. At least it’s enough of a justification for me to not be as upset about the design anymore. In fact Incineroar probably has better reason to have an anthropomorphic final form than all of the other starters that follow the same trend because of the fact that Litten is a distinctly domestic animal, so it developing human-like characteristics doesn’t seem as unlikely. I don’t know, maybe I’m overthinking this design, but despite hating it initially I’m okay with it now.

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 23:04:52 No.43230006 Report

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I don't know, how does it fare compared to the other starters, say, on media or on the game itself?

>The highest competitive one
>Other starters kicked and shat on while he appears multiple times on ICY, Smash, anime

oh

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 23:08:15 No.43230031 Report

Quoted By: >>43230054 >>43230361 >>43230416

>Thread about Incineroar’s shillmon status
>Denialfags conveniently missing
Interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 23:11:26 No.43230054 Report

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>>43230031

It's a nice breath of air for a change. Give it time though, I'm sure they'll come argue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 23:55:13 No.43230361 Report

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>>43230031
gimmie cute incineroar pics

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2020 23:56:36 No.43230370 Report

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>>43229381
no quad

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Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 00:02:46 No.43230416 Report

Quoted By: >>43230648 >>43230781

>>43230031
it's not a shillmon
>>43229408
>pushed in anime
how was it pushed? because masked royal owns one? yeah gardevoir was such a shillmon too in xy
>pushed in movie
one retard owned an incineroar in a movie it sure is a shilmon now, granbull is a shillmon too in the 3rd movie since a random trainer owns one then
>pushed in smash
because of its catch theme, nobody wanted incineroar
>stupidly useful in VGC with a toolset that’s screams bias, and only got more tools the gen after
GF fucking sucks and this isn't even a metric to decide if one's a shillmon, Landorus was a shillmon for 10 years too then?

also remember despite how much of a "shillmon" you guys say it is, it'll always be inferior to decidueye because incelroar is shit looking, nobody likes it and both rowlet and decidueye will always be more popular, cope and seethe when you'll answer to this pic related will help you

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Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 00:21:11 No.43230582 Report

Quoted By: >>43230608

Does it matter if something is used to promote a game? I mean, they're all made to look appealing somehow. Maybe if you hated the design but then it's opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 00:25:02 No.43230608 Report

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>>43230582
They used a game to promote Incineroar

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Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 00:28:33 No.43230636 Report

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I definitely think that Incineroar was intentionally made to be amazing in VGC, and as a result I believe it applies for a "VGC shill". Having one of the starters be very viable in the format would definitely encourage more people to play it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 00:30:23 No.43230648 Report

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>>43230416
Popularity =\= Shilling
A shillmon is simply a pokemon who’s popularity the pokemon company tried to push. Incineroar was given a much better showing than Decidueye in the anime, and I doubt you seriously need that explained but just briefly, Decidueye is dispatched in a joke battle against its first pre-evo, meanwhile the tiger debuts destroying the other two final starters and a machamp in one attack and the crux of SM’s final battle is Incineroar and Torracat. Decidueye defeating Incineroar in that poll in spite of Incineroar’s greater amount of shilling should make you happy (it makes me happy, I prefer the owl myself), so I don’t even know why you would argue against this.

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Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 00:46:49 No.43230781 Report

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>>43230416
You didn't want doesn't equal everyone. Time to throw you in the retard pile with the other dumb shits that think everyone thinks like they do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 00:47:51 No.43230790 Report

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>>43230648
Bots

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Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 00:56:39 No.43230839 Report

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>>43230608
Is that a problem?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 01:05:09 No.43230894 Report

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>>43230648
Because it's only you who think like that
Producer of the anime aren't thinking what /vp/ believe them to do

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Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 01:34:50 No.43231064 Report

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>>43230894
It's in the brand's interest to produce popular monsters, and the anime is a massive vehicle for driving popularity due to how large an audience it reaches. Why do you think Ash gets so many starter pokemon? Starter pokemon tend to be rather popular so giving them more attention in the show capitalizes on this and makes them even more beloved. Why do you think Greninja was given so much spotlight back in XYZ? He turned out to be the biggest hit pokemon since Lucario, they knew the gold they had on their hands. The company will try to push a creature or two each generation that they think will move a lot of merch and generate a lot of profit for them, often at the cost of making others appear weaker in order to hype up the ones they've selected to push.

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Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 01:39:36 No.43231093 Report

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>>43231064
>Why do you think Greninja was given so much spotlight back in XYZ?
Greninja was popular before that even happened, even before the show started. Greninja was just that much of a gold mine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 01:44:37 No.43231137 Report

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>>43231093
Yeah choosing Greninja as the shillmon of gen 6 had to have been one of the easiest decisions TPCi's advertising ever had to make, considering his immediate organic popularity before they pushed it even further. But hell, I love that frog too, he's great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 10:11:38 No.43233249 Report

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>>43231093

Minute you design a ninja inspired starter mon in a country like Japan and its overseas popularity, you literally traced its fate and destiny.

In a Splatoon Splatfest, despite Pirates having won, Ninjas had the majority of vote regarding popularity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Apr 2020 10:15:52 No.43233260 Report

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>>43233249
The Nincada line and the Tengu(Shiftree) line also exist.

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