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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:35:11 No.43248451 View View Reply Original Report

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What went wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:36:18 No.43248459 Report

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>>43248451
Pokemon doesn't have the budget those other two series have because it's not a game franchise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:36:41 No.43248461 Report

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Ohmori

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:37:53 No.43248467 Report

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>>43248451
GF lacks passion and direction

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:37:56 No.43248468 Report

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>>43248451
They rushed the game out the door way too early.
Also Gamefreak's refusal to get more people to help develop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:38:11 No.43248473 Report

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>>43248451
Gamefreak

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:38:12 No.43248474 Report

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>>43248459

This.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:39:13 No.43248479 Report

Quoted By: >>43248533

>Home console capable of HD graphics
>Game devs that struggled to make games look good on the 3DS and would rather cut corners

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:39:52 No.43248483 Report

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>>43248468
>Also Gamefreak's refusal to get more people to help develop.

They literally did that you fucking retard. They hired tons of freelancers and employees from other companies to help out.

Know your shit before you talk shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:42:00 No.43248491 Report

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>>43248483
... Yet they cannot make a good game.

I'm not that poster but you know that to be true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:46:35 No.43248510 Report

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>>43248483
And they clearly did not hire enough people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:47:36 No.43248518 Report

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>>43248510
They literally had over a fucking thousand.

Staffing has never been Pokemon's problem. It's always been budget and deadlines.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:48:51 No.43248533 Report

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>>43248479
It was mind boggling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:50:27 No.43248539 Report

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Remember that time Gamefreak fucked up Gen 2 so hard that daddy Nintendo had to step in and clean up their mess. Then they did it so effectively that they saved space enough for an entire second region to be added?
That's why. Faggots ITT will defend them to the death but Gamefreak have been inept from day 1. They just got lucky and have been coasting off of Pokemon's success (which was 99% driven by the anime, not their shitty broken game) every since.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:53:23 No.43248554 Report

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>>43248518
When Ohmori said over 1000 staff working on the game, he included those in marketing and PR, people that had nothing to do with actual development. The core team is still too small to work on this game and Gamefreak refuse to bring in another reputable team for assistance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 15:54:21 No.43248558 Report

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>>43248459
This. The game is material for the anime so it can sell toys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:07:29 No.43248610 Report

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>>43248451
Game Freak realized that they will buy it anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:09:35 No.43248617 Report

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>>43248451
Joe Merrick and Poketubers happened

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:10:01 No.43248619 Report

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>>43248554
>Gamefreak refuse to bring in another reputable team for assistance.
Of course they would, because that would mean sharing the profits.
People have to remember that Game Freak owns 1/3rd of the Pokemon IP, and that for every dollar the brand receives, Game Freak gets part of that right back to them. If Game Freak co-developed the main games with another company, that means overall less money for them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:11:50 No.43248629 Report

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>>43248619
Yes and they intentionally make their games low budget to not reserve for money for themselves and because they know the fanbase are brainlet consoomers who will buy their games anyway.
that's why they shove KANTOOOOOO too much because they got tired and don't know what to do anymore other than pleasing nostalgiafags and zoomers

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:18:30 No.43248663 Report

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>>43248451
Ishihara thought the Switch was going to be a failure so when he saw that he was wrong, he forced Gamefreak to rush out a cheap entry in time for Christmas

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:20:02 No.43248676 Report

Quoted By: >>43248701 >>43248720

At this point do you think pokemon even needs mainline games? I feel like the anime, merch and spin offs would be enough.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:21:31 No.43248685 Report

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>>43248483
Then they should have hired even more. SS have less content than Emerald; a GBA game made 15 years ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:22:32 No.43248693 Report

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>>43248518
This is Dragon Ball Super production all over again

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:24:09 No.43248699 Report

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>>43248451
Nintendo developed products have love behind them and full product cycles. Not gamefreak developed products though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:24:24 No.43248701 Report

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>>43248676
The only thing the games are needed for nowadays is introducing new Pokemon and characters for the anime (and manga and TCG) to use.

The anime is considered the main priority by TPC because it sells merchandise, which is where Pokemon makes the majority of its money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:26:13 No.43248715 Report

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>>43248701
Yeah so why even bother having sub standard games introduce them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:27:02 No.43248720 Report

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>>43248676
For a while, yes, but eventually it would fade. Pokemon is actually very similar to Disney in its finances. They have IP that they're known for, and they use that IP to drive the products that actually make money. The bulk of Pokemon's profits come from toys and merchandise, while the games themselves cost a bunch of money to make and don't get nearly the same level of return. For Disney, they make expensive movies to create and cultivate their IP, then use that IP in their merchandising and theme parks to actually make money (a one day ticket to Magic Kingdom costs as much as 10 movie tickets, and they get the full profit, vs a movie where they only get a cut of the ticket price). The difference between Disney and Pokemon is Disney knows that that their IP is important. They know they have a cycle of cultivate IP -> use it in parks and toys. Pokemon seems to be confused and seem to be saying "hmm, the toys make more than the games, why not focus on the toys and let the games go to ruin?" not realizing that it's the success of the games that drives everything else.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:29:01 No.43248733 Report

Quoted By: >>43249043

>>43248720
>not realizing that it's the success of the games that drives everything else.

Yes, the games are so important, that for the first time ever, the anime has its own original characters and plot instead of following the games.

The anime is driving the franchise now, not the games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:30:10 No.43248744 Report

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>>43248451
no soul

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:33:07 No.43248760 Report

Quoted By: >>43249357 >>43250569

>>43248451
Swoosh is better than Odyssey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 16:33:26 No.43248761 Report

Quoted By: >>43249081 >>43249112

What's wrong is you missed the bit about Game Freak never giving a shit for the adult segment ever and the adult segment never gave a shit for it, they either kept playing or left the series and moved onto something wlse instead.
That Game Freak have continued the M.O. of the franchise is not surprising, it's the "adults" acting like children when they realise Game Freak doesn't give a shit for adult Pokémon players, beyond them buying the game.
I mean, it's not as if the franchise as a whole's been sneaky about it being kid-focused, they only really started to pander to adults more recently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 17:21:00 No.43249043 Report

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>>43248733
>The anime is driving the franchise now
That's been true since Yellow

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 17:26:33 No.43249081 Report

Quoted By: >>43249291 >>43249436

>>43248761
>Over two decades of children's games are solid in quality and enjoyable for every age group
>Make shit game
>IT'S JUST A KIDS GAME YOU AREN'T THE TARGET AUDIENCE ANYMORE

I'm sure the 20+ year-old children really enjoy the Kanto pandering they weren't alive for

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 17:30:24 No.43249112 Report

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>>43248761
>they only really started to pander to adults more recently.
Black and White were specifically made for an older audience, which is why Hilbert and Hilda look older than typical protagonists and the story has a more shonen-anime feel to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 17:52:53 No.43249251 Report

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>>43248451
P R E A S U

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 17:53:54 No.43249254 Report

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>>43249251
U N D E R S T A N D O

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 17:57:21 No.43249276 Report

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>>43248451
All three of those are actually shitty games that were rushed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 17:59:05 No.43249291 Report

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>>43249081
>it doesn’t have stantler so that means it’s suddenly shit
yikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:01:44 No.43249310 Report

Quoted By: >>43249327 >>43249556

>>43249291
If dex cut is the only flaw you see in SwSh, then you haven't played SwSh and GF enjoys your free shilling

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:04:08 No.43249327 Report

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>>43249310
atleast im not some poor showdown spic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:05:34 No.43249340 Report

Quoted By: >>43249387

>>43249327
I'd rather be a poorfag that didn't buy this shit, especially since I bought it digital

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:07:01 No.43249354 Report

Quoted By: >>43249428

>>43248451
Nintendo should get Monolith Soft to help out with the next game. Those guys are based as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:07:23 No.43249357 Report

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>>43248760
I'm going to fuck your asshole.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:11:40 No.43249387 Report

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>>43249340
Prove it.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:14:32 No.43249410 Report

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>>43248451
Nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:16:13 No.43249428 Report

Quoted By: >>43249538

>>43249354
Monolith is too busy helping on actual Nintendo games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:17:17 No.43249436 Report

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>>43249081
>Talking like nobody likes the game just because you and your fellow angry autistics are mad at it
Jesus you people are so bitten

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:23:57 No.43249477 Report

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>>43248451
odissey and zelda are from wii u
pokemon swsh is just showcasing how bad the switch actually is

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:27:46 No.43249500 Report

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>>43249387

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:29:57 No.43249515 Report

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>>43248518
>they had over a thousand employees
>they didn't have the budget to make swoosh better
shills have 0 iq

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:30:22 No.43249516 Report

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>>43248451
people who care only that its a mainline home console pokemon game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:30:47 No.43249521 Report

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>>43249500
Your Mii is hideous

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:32:17 No.43249535 Report

Quoted By: >>43249549

>>43249436
>Defending a bad game and shitty company to satisfy your social media self expression

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:32:37 No.43249538 Report

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>>43249428
Well, right now they're working on their own game and BotW 2, I'm guessing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:33:23 No.43249544 Report

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>>43249521
Yes, it looks like me. I made it with the 3DS's camera tool. I'm very proud of how accurate it looks.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:33:45 No.43249547 Report

Quoted By: >>43249638

>>43248451
Outside of the Zelda characters and references, U.BotW has little in common with the other zeldas titles lacking enemy variety, dungeons and bosses for example and a sequel is coming, this wouldn't have happened if the fanbase was fine with what they got forcing Aonuma to change everytime

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:33:58 No.43249549 Report

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>>43249535
>Mental health so destroyed by people playing a game you're now imagining people to be mad at
You're a mess

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:35:12 No.43249556 Report

Quoted By: >>43249572

>>43249310
SS is full of shit that makes no sense.
For example, I'm on the camp that is okay with no voice acting in the games, but the game would have been better with it. Specially when they decided to have a character singing. Like, why the fuck would they do that? It looks terrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:36:12 No.43249564 Report

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>>43249538
More than that. Their name is mentioned in the credits of Splatoon 2 and the newest Animal Crossing, so not just they're working on Zelda and on their own game, they're also still having to do support development work on other Nintendo EAD games.

In other words, the chances of Nintendo ever letting them help Gamefreak when they clearly need them to work on full games plus help on other major games of their own branding are pretty small.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:37:22 No.43249572 Report

Quoted By: >>43249637

>>43249556
BOTW has voice-acting yet has a singing character that also sings only thru text with zero voice over tho. "Character in a RPG that is singing is not actualy singing" is super common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:47:24 No.43249637 Report

Quoted By: >>43249659 >>43249810

>>43249572
Which one, Kass? His very own theme made up for that, unlike Piers that just used the Team Skull team with some weird 'cheers' that sounded more like boos. I actually thought they were booing him when I first played the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:47:28 No.43249638 Report

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>>43249547
this, if anons on /v/ still complain that Aonuma killed what Zelda used to be its because of the fanbase itself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:48:25 No.43249641 Report

Quoted By: >>43249645 >>43249666 >>43249669 >>43249818 >>43249942

>>43248459
Pokemon is LITERALLY the highest grossing media franchise of all time

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:49:16 No.43249645 Report

Quoted By: >>43249688 >>43249957

>>43249641
/r/whooosh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:51:17 No.43249656 Report

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>>43248518
>>43248554
I get the vibe that there's probably just shit communication and bad technical decisions during the development process, like contracting out all animation/modelling efforts to a separate entity (Creatures) or the shit poorly optimized codebase they built the games on top of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:51:43 No.43249659 Report

Quoted By: >>43249691

>>43249637
No, it doesn't "make up for that", he is still quite literally singing while no voice comes out. It's the exact same amount of abstraction that Pier's singing uses. The only difference is that one is in a game you're not mad at, but at the end of the day it's a very common thing that will never go away in RPGs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:52:53 No.43249666 Report

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>>43249641
"Highest gross while counting nearly 30 fucking years of merchandise" doesn't mean Gamefreak and Nintendo give those games a whole lot of money. You think the people that make Pokemon lunch boxes and cards and toys and DVDs and everything else didn't get their majority share of the products they paid for the license to?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:53:21 No.43249669 Report

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>>43249641
gross != budget

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:55:49 No.43249688 Report

Quoted By: >>43249808

>>43249645

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 18:55:54 No.43249691 Report

Quoted By: >>43249777

>>43249659
Nice projecting. I'm not mad at the game, I think they're a step up from the abysmal gen 7.
The difference between the two is that Kass is playing an instrument, and you can hear said instrument. Piers is literally singing on a microphone and you can only hear his foot tapping, which is surreal as fuck ,specially when he's depicted as a human.
Look around, the majority of people found it odd, and the same people had no problem with Kass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 19:08:53 No.43249777 Report

Quoted By: >>43249795

>>43249691
What is the majority of people? Because not a single person I specifically talk to ever brought it up, the only people that go "Wtf piers didnt sing??" I personally saw were people that saw some youtuber nitpicking it and absorbed that notion. Factualy I have seen more people complaining that Hop is crap and the story with Rose and co. was horrible than anyone complaining about Piers, even counting internet people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 19:12:28 No.43249795 Report

Quoted By: >>43249815

>>43249777
Everyone I know that got the game was perplexed by it. Go to any normalfag website and you can find a lot of people complaining or being weirded out by it.
Like I said before, the game's choice to showcase someone singing with no voice acting, and even making the foot tapping louder than the recycled theme, was perplexing as fuck.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 19:14:37 No.43249808 Report

Quoted By: >>43249819

>>43249688
>muh secret club xD
cringe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 19:15:12 No.43249810 Report

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>>43249637
hold on
they weren't booing him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 19:16:19 No.43249815 Report

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>>43249795
I think since you're the one making a claim I'd rather you find those people and link them instead. Burden of proof and etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 19:16:43 No.43249818 Report

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>>43249641
Even if they did have an assload of money to put into the games, why the fuck would they?
They get the same profits no matter how much investment they put in because the common masses eat it up every goddamn time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 19:17:01 No.43249819 Report

Quoted By: >>43249828

>>43249808
less cringe than your le ebin arr slash wooosh!!! spam

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 19:18:06 No.43249828 Report

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>>43249819
I don't think so. ^^

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 19:25:29 No.43249889 Report

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>>43248483
Most of the outside help was for localization to ensure a global launch.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 19:34:13 No.43249942 Report

Quoted By: >>43251711

>>43249641
yes thanks to merchandising

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 19:35:51 No.43249957 Report

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>>43249645
Cringe as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 19:36:51 No.43249962 Report

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@43249957

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 20:50:48 No.43250569 Report

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>>43248760
No, fuck you. I liked SwSh, but fuck you, Odissey was perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 20:53:02 No.43250590 Report

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i keep seeing this thread in the catalog and every time i do i mistake the thumbnail for the stairs to N's castle

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 21:18:10 No.43250749 Report

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>>43249544
Is it legal to post selfies on this board?
If so, post face

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 21:58:50 No.43251008 Report

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>>43248451

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Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 22:18:56 No.43251174 Report

Quoted By: >>43251178 >>43251720

>>43249410
>both pokemon games
>that much time
That's sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 22:19:40 No.43251178 Report

Quoted By: >>43251187 >>43251211

>>43251174
What can I say? Game Freak makes quality games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 22:20:54 No.43251187 Report

Quoted By: >>43251191

>>43251178
It's okay to enjoy and put lots of time into mediocre products.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 22:21:30 No.43251191 Report

Quoted By: >>43251200

>>43251187
Good thing they're not mediocre products, huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 22:22:25 No.43251200 Report

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>>43251191
whooosh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 22:23:27 No.43251211 Report

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>>43251178
Trolling outside of /b/ is a bannable offence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 22:52:11 No.43251489 Report

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>>43248451
Aside from BOTW which I don't consider a Masterpiece. SwSh realized they didn't have to try anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 23:23:36 No.43251711 Report

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>>43249942
>hello kitty is the highest grossing franchise in terms of merchandise alone
Wtf, i though it was dead

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 23:24:38 No.43251720 Report

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>>43251174
I'm pretty sure that pic is fake
I mean, he's not the one that played all that time, someone posted already that pic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Apr 2020 23:57:29 No.43251935 Report

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>>43248459
Even if that were true, which it is not, that is not an excuse for bad quality

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