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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 23:35:17 No.43268500 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>43268542 >>43268577 >>43268609 >>43268871 >>43270816 >>43271107 >>43271285 >>43271633 >>43276637 >>43276646

>Blastoise has the type advantage over Charizard, and is competitively stronger in its base mode than base Charizard yet always loses to Charizard in the anime for some reason

I guarantee that if Gamefreak stuck with Wartortle's original evolution it wouldn't be treated as badly as Blastoise is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 23:38:19 No.43268515 Report

Quoted By: >>43271107

mystic turtle of long life would have been cool. I love the squirtle/wartortle tail. but blastoise AKA kamex is still my favorite starter final form. don't care much for the anime

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 23:42:13 No.43268542 Report

Quoted By: >>43271107

>>43268500
>it wouldn't be treated as badly as Blastoise is
Of course it would. The point was to make Charizard great, not Blastoise bad.
If Blastoise were the most popular one then Venusaur would be the jobber.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 23:48:24 No.43268577 Report

Quoted By: >>43268758 >>43271107

>>43268500
We can pretend that beta Blastosie would have been more popular, but you know that isn't true. Even if it makes more sense coming off Wartortle and our Blastosie's guns come out of nowhere they provide the cool factor for kids that the beta one lacks. If beta blastosie were real it would probably be roughly just as popular as Venusaur, with Charizard massively surpassing both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 23:52:40 No.43268609 Report

Quoted By: >>43268722 >>43271107 >>43272396

>>43268500
I wish they'd given Blastoise cannons without dropping the fluffy ears and tail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 00:06:41 No.43268722 Report

Quoted By: >>43271107 >>43271248

>>43268609
This, to be honest

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 00:11:40 No.43268758 Report

Quoted By: >>43268784 >>43270528 >>43271027 >>43271107 >>43271242 >>43271506 >>43271642

>>43268577
>If beta blastosie were real it would probably be roughly just as popular as Venusaur, with Charizard massively surpassing both.
Cringe fanfiction.
Venusaur isn't popular because its ugly as fuck. Hell even its designer hates it. Its not as cute as Bulbasaur, and its not cute/cool as Ivysaur. Its just an ugly fat toad.
Beta-TortleEvo is "cool", AND elegant.
It panders to multiple demographics. Charizard panders exclusively to 10 year old edgelords, and Venusaur panders to contrarian kids.
Beta-Tortileevo would objectively be the most beloved KANTOOOOOOOO starter, maybe from the beginning, maybe over time but it would definitely surpass Charizard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 00:15:20 No.43268784 Report

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>>43268758
>seething 'toisetard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 00:17:48 No.43268801 Report

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>>43268784
Read that post again anon. God, you're retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 00:22:13 No.43268828 Report

Quoted By: >>43271107

>>43268784
>Charizardfag can't read
Checks out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 00:29:47 No.43268871 Report

Quoted By: >>43269517 >>43271107

>>43268500
>Starter war thread #532847540379432
Don't you people get tired of discussing this shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 00:31:03 No.43268884 Report

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>>43268784
That blastoise is a qt. Would unironically pet it and feed it snacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 01:47:11 No.43269517 Report

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>>43268871
Welcome to /vp/, there's nothing else to talk about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 01:49:24 No.43269533 Report

Quoted By: >>43271107

Blastoise is cool, but GF shit up its stats so it couldn't be the go-to bulky water

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 02:33:49 No.43269901 Report

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Gen 1 starters are shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 03:46:54 No.43270528 Report

Quoted By: >>43271107 >>43274233

>>43268758
Venusaur is actually Sugimori's favorite (along with Gengar). He says he doesn't like drawing Venusaur because of how detailed it is, which is pretty funny considering how overdesigned most Pokemon have become nowadays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:27:46 No.43270816 Report

Quoted By: >>43271015 >>43271107

>>43268500
Blastoise always loses to Charizard in the anime precisely because it has the type advantage. The reason is that it's generally more exciting to set the protagonist('s Pokemon) up as the underdog. It has very little to do with Blastoise's design. While Blastoise is already my personal favorite of the three, kids love fire breathing dragons and probably loved them even more in the 90s given the dinosaur craze going on at the time.

Remember, in Pokemon Special, the rival's Charizard was beaten by Red, who was using a Venusaur.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:31:15 No.43270836 Report

Quoted By: >>43271015 >>43271107

>Blastoise always loses to Charizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:32:41 No.43270845 Report

Quoted By: >>43271107

>UNGA DESIGN WE GOT BAD
>BUNGA DESIGN WE DIDN'T GET GOOD

Why are betatards so fucking annoying?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:58:45 No.43271015 Report

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>>43270816
this, usually the type advantage guarantees it'll lose.
>AshGreninja vs M Sceptile: Former wins
>Ash Greninja vs. M Char: Former wins
>Sleeptalk Heracross v. Darkrai: Former wins

It's rare that this >>43270836 happens, usually the opposite

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 05:00:48 No.43271027 Report

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>>43268758
You're kidding yourself if you think kids would prefer fish-eared turtle over twin cannon turtle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 05:13:03 No.43271107 Report

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>>43268500
>>43268515
>>43268542
>>43268577
>>43268609
>>43268722
>>43268758
>>43268784
>>43268801
>>43268828
>>43268871
>>43268884
>>43269517
>>43269533
>>43269901
>>43270528
>>43270816
>>43270836
>>43270845
>>43271015
>>43271027

Blastoise should be water steel with those canons

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 05:18:17 No.43271143 Report

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>>43271107
They probably thought about it when they were releasing gen 2 considering you can't get it on a normal run and you could neither get on the following generation's main games. I think it might have been cancelled for balancing reasons, a gen3 Kanto run with a steel type starter would be incredibly easy and it would partially nullify Venusaur's typing, breaking the triangle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 05:35:48 No.43271242 Report

Quoted By: >>43271305

>>43268758
>Beta-Tortileevo would objectively be the most beloved KANTOOOOOOOO starter, maybe from the beginning, maybe over time but it would definitely surpass Charizard.

No im sorry but nothing is going to be cooler to Pokemon's target audience than a fire-breathing dragon. Especially not a goddamn turtle. Cool, elegant or other

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 05:36:48 No.43271248 Report

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>>43268722
Yeah, it just made Wartortle's ears/tail be useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 05:43:32 No.43271285 Report

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>>43268500
I'd take my turtle with guns.
I like turtles with guns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 05:47:33 No.43271305 Report

Quoted By: >>43271323 >>43271607 >>43271614

>>43271242
>nothing is going to be cooler to Pokemon's target audience than a fire-breathing dragon.

Yet somehow, Charizard and especially Mega Charizard X are more popular than Garchomp and Salamence, despite the later two having badass designs and not a gut so big they can use Belly Drum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 05:52:17 No.43271323 Report

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>>43271305
I think you misread my post

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:23:17 No.43271506 Report

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>>43268758
its literally just wartortle but bigger
and no one actually talks about wartortle at all compared to ivysaur or charmeleon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:40:33 No.43271607 Report

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>>43271305
Because Charizard is shilled to death in every media and the other two rarely gets mentioned in the anime and games

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:42:41 No.43271614 Report

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>>43271305
wowee it's almost as if one is a starter and is in the very first game of the series instead of a rare literal who in zoomer games no one gives a fuck about

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:46:25 No.43271633 Report

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>>43268500
Looks way better than Blastoise. I grew up on gen 1 bust honestly I thought the canons were out of place and a little to nail-on-the-head for the line's theme. It was, compared to the other two starters and even the most the other gen 1 mons, a 'James Turner'ish design.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:48:24 No.43271641 Report

Quoted By: >>43272384 >>43274148

this is clearly how it looks you retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:48:31 No.43271642 Report

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>>43268758
Wow that is pure delusion. Venusaur looks awesome it just has a thousand weaknesses and niche application in game. It wasn't straightforward to use, and that's why it wasn't as popular.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 10:10:35 No.43272384 Report

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>>43271641
I think evebrows suposed to be connected with "ears"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 10:14:41 No.43272396 Report

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>>43268609
And they haven't fixed that in mega, while Ampharos was finally given dragon treatment it deserved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 10:15:15 No.43272399 Report

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Why are you guys literally seething over an anime lizard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 15:50:02 No.43274148 Report

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>>43271641
The ears are a lot more pointed that that

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 16:01:12 No.43274233 Report

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>>43270528
Based sugimori for keeping my boy competitively viable every gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 19:52:48 No.43276116 Report

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Bump.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 20:50:00 No.43276637 Report

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>>43268500
I always thought it was weird that Squirtle and Wartortle got a really nice fancy tails just to have it go to a stubby little turtle tail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 20:51:33 No.43276646 Report

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>>43268500
You would be saying the exact same fucking thing if the opposite happened.

>OMG GUYS BLASTOISE WOULD BE TREATED BETTER IF IT GOT THIS SCRAPPED AWESOME LOOKING TANK DESIGN WITH CANNONS INSTEAD OF THIS BORING SHIT WITH FLUFFY TAIL

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