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Fix our bros

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 12:51:13 No.43282683 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>43282745 >>43283467 >>43284324 >>43285019 >>43288000

It's not fair... IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR LADS...

So many of our bros are cursed to be usable only ingame or simply not at all. Meanwhile steaming piles of dog shit get absolutely retarded stats and abilities. Time to fix this.

>attack raised to 90 (at least)
>speed raised to 100
>defense raised to 80

I don't need him to be OU by any standards but for fucks sake let him be usable.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 13:05:33 No.43282745 Report

Quoted By: >>43282796

>>43282683
Give gear grind 100 accuracy. That's it.

It's already a mon that can run literally only one good set and has 3 usable attacks at best, making its only good STAB 85 acc is too cruel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 13:16:11 No.43282796 Report

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>>43282745
Give it EQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 13:23:42 No.43282834 Report

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We need an ability that depends on a pokemon's usage. Like every 5% step of the omgon list gives it one random status boost.

Pokemon with this ability:
Ledian
Girafarig
Stantler

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 14:51:16 No.43283467 Report

Quoted By: >>43284406 >>43284476 >>43284628 >>43285275 >>43288040

>>43282683
Remove it from the game. FUCK Ledian!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 16:41:27 No.43284281 Report

Quoted By: >>43284324

- Milk Drink can now target allies. If the user is holding Moo Moo Milk, Milk Drink raises the target's Attack and Defense by one stage respectively (once per battle; item is consumed after this effect resolves).
- Rollout base power increased to 60; now only locks the user for two turns (power still doubles with consecutive attacks). Rollout's base power is doubled prior to first use if the user's Defense is raised (effect no longer bound to specific moves).
- Drop 10 points from SpA and add 15 points to BST; +5 HP / +5 Spe / +5 Def / +10 SpD

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 16:48:01 No.43284324 Report

Quoted By: >>43285736 >>43288234

>>43282683
definitely should have more attack to take advantage of iron fist. should have access to meteor mash too, would make it a monster when it dmaxes.

>>43284281
I think move specific combos keeps some of the fun, but they should just buff defense curl to be +2. Also, moo moo milk could maybe be a sitrus/nature berry that can be auto activated by using milk drink on an ally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:01:06 No.43284406 Report

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>>43283467
remove yourself,FUCK YOU.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:11:36 No.43284476 Report

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>>43283467
>mfw I find you and pummel you to a pulp using Ledian's comet punch technique

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:15:28 No.43284510 Report

Quoted By: >>43284550 >>43284627

Sure, getting no good moves in the generation shift sucked, yeah not getting freeze dry while fucking Glalie did is a slap in the face.
Just +10 speed to account for speed creep, that's all she really needs, if nothing else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:20:58 No.43284550 Report

Quoted By: >>43284584

>>43284510
Life orb frosslass with a plus speed nature is still pretty decent. Especially when you bait into a destiny bond.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:26:14 No.43284584 Report

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>>43284550
No she really is a fine mon, I use her in some of my OU teams. It's still insult to injury that she gets outsped by lucha bird before unburden boosts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:26:34 No.43284590 Report

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How do we make cradily good

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:28:31 No.43284601 Report

Quoted By: >>43285259

Gourgeist:
>swap atk and spa
> learns flamethrower and fire blast
It's a Jack o lantern. This buff is both a solid improvement and a thematic one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:32:43 No.43284627 Report

Quoted By: >>43284658

>>43284510
Everything about Froslass always fucks me up. It looks like a special attacker, yet it has pitiful 80-80 offenses to be in line with glalie. Glalie has 3 abilities, yet froslass only has 2. It learns bite and crunch because glalie does, but doesn't learn dark pulse, despite glalie doing so. It took them until gen 7 to give it will-o-wisp because they're autistic about ice mons getting fire moves. It doesn't get nasty plot, even after gen 8 when they decided to give it to almost all other ghosts. Everything about it just seems like a big mess.

Take 10 points from froslass' attack (80>70), give them to special attack (80>90), let it learn nasty plot and freeze-dry, dark pulse, moonblast and hyper voice. Give it refrigerate as 3rd ability. It will probably still be used mostly as a spikes lead but at least it's less a failed clone of glalie and more its own thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:32:54 No.43284628 Report

Quoted By: >>43286639 >>43288040

>>43283467
It's already been replaced by dotler and orbeetle

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:36:38 No.43284658 Report

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>>43284627
Special Attack boost would be nice, though I'd still mostly just use it for utility as I do now (which is the main reason I'd like a speed boost.)
It's a shame it doesn't have better offensive stats and a boosting move, it has a great movepool and could pull some fun memes with technician frost breath.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 18:24:27 No.43285019 Report

Quoted By: >>43285037 >>43285270

>>43282683
Ledian is mostly fine because it has been a screen setter from day 1. Give it +30 to atk and create a punch move for bugs to fix the offense. An unique nature that acts like light clay would do the job too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 18:26:24 No.43285037 Report

Quoted By: >>43285270

>>43285019
Anon, it's a terrible screen setter. The only reason you think it's a screen setter is because it's movepool is so shit that it's limited to doing that, but so many mons do it way better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 18:50:19 No.43285259 Report

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>>43284601
or at least Flame Charge/Heat Crash to take advantage of it's current stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 18:51:39 No.43285270 Report

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>>43285019
Listen to >>43285037. It's the only thing it can remotely do well. Instead give it a niche. It doesn't even need a physical bug punch move. Just give it Lunge and the attack boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 18:52:06 No.43285275 Report

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>>43283467
>FUCK LEDIAN!
get consent first!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 19:02:56 No.43285356 Report

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Recover

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 19:52:22 No.43285736 Report

Quoted By: >>43285915

>>43284324
>they should just buff defense curl to be +2.
I fear for my cow becoming some toxic staller/other Blissey if it gets an easy way to just boost defense. I wanted to buff rollout in a way that would encourage quick offense or team support over prolonged set-up and defense. I guess the idea of Milk Drink being a two-man heal could be good, but again I feel like it sort of pigeonholes Miltank into full cleric mode rather than possible offensive threat or damage booster. I just want to see my cow roll foes into oblivion.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 20:16:06 No.43285915 Report

Quoted By: >>43286558

>>43285736
desu I don't see much reason for it to run Rollout myself, even if it was buffed. Body Slam fulfills the fantasy of giant cow bowling things over well enough, and provides additional utility alongside it.
Honestly I think the best thing you could do for Miltank is to lean into what it already has going for it. Scrappy is already a really good ability, and combined with fighting coverage in Power-up Punch it already has perfect coverage.

Really, all you have to do to make the cow more appealing is boost its hp and sp. def a little bit, and then give it rapid spin and maybe horn leech for offensive recovery. With that suddenly you have a bulky mon that:
>Has amazing utility as a cleric
>Fantastic coverage
>Can boost its attack and speed while maintaining pressure
>Can't be spin-blocked outside of specific scenarios
>Works very well as an Assault Vest mon, meaning the lowish Sp. Def isn't as damning
It takes a while to get going, still doesn't like facing strong fighting types, and mono-normal is never ideal, but it'd at least see niche play.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 21:30:06 No.43286487 Report

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Atk and SpA nerfed into low 50s.
HP, Def and SpD buffer into low 100s.
Ability: Shed flight leaves-first super effective attack that hits the Pokémon will do 1/2 damage. The hit Pokémon's speed is halved and it loses the flying type. Once per battle. The type change is retained even on switchout.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 21:37:10 No.43286558 Report

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>>43285915
I like this. Consider me convinced (as much as I still like rollout for its cute and power factor).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 21:45:23 No.43286639 Report

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>>43284628
>these vermins
discarded,incineroar beats all.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 22:15:45 No.43286913 Report

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>110 SP.ATK and SP.DEF
>More coverage like boltbeam, singal beam, surf, etc.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 23:17:49 No.43287344 Report

Quoted By: >>43287428

Fairy moves and some ability to let her change some grass moves to another type. Grass coverage alone is abysmal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 23:29:13 No.43287428 Report

Quoted By: >>43287551

>>43287344
I always thought it got moonblast like bellossom did but checking it now turns out it really only gets grass and normal moves. And dream eater.

I could see it getting psychic, dazzling gleam and weather ball. Shame about hidden power no longer existing.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 23:46:46 No.43287549 Report

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Lower Knock-Off's power from 65 to 60.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 23:47:32 No.43287551 Report

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>>43287428
I kind of wish she could become a Fairy-type but it's doubtful they'd add a type to this mon. But getting Psychic, Grass, and Fairy moves would be plenty for a mon like this. Also yeah, shame about the loss of Hidden Power, that's a big nerf to Lilligant.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 00:25:06 No.43287816 Report

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A mega, a 10 point boost to all stats except HP, or some decent coverage options. Any one of those would be enough to fix this cutie-patootie, I think.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 00:30:45 No.43287871 Report

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>Divine Light. The user's fairy type attacks are super effective towards ghost types.
I'd like to see a fairy type or Necrozma get something like this. I've always liked the idea of a move that can specifically take out undead stuff like your traditional Paladin/Cleric.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 00:50:16 No.43287977 Report

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>Lurantis
I wish it had leavanny type of base stats and not slow semi bulky mixed attacker. It would've been much more interesting if solar blade was something of a grass type superpower that has its decreases mitigated on sun instead of a physical solar beam so it can utilize both of its abilities

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 00:54:30 No.43288000 Report

Quoted By: >>43288216

>>43282683
>ability that lets explosion damage based on speed

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 00:59:18 No.43288022 Report

Quoted By: >>43288145

GF, decide what you want this thing to be good at. RN, it's just a worse Ambipom with access to hypnosis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 01:02:20 No.43288040 Report

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>>43283467
>>43284628
KYS shills, you disgust me. Ledian has fans, and you want to remove him and force these guys to pay 60 dollars for a shitty as fuck game because you cant stop CONSOOOMING.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 01:17:14 No.43288145 Report

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>>43288022
Here's your buff, bro.
Although, I think Alola Persian is still higher

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 01:28:42 No.43288216 Report

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>>43288000
This or just more moves that scale with speed.
Electro ball seems custom made for Electrode, but it's still not good with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 01:32:14 No.43288234 Report

Quoted By: >>43288289

>>43284324
Is there a mon with defense curl, body press and rollout?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 01:35:42 No.43288246 Report

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Appleton needs a higher bst. It has the abilities, typing and move set but not enough to make up for its bst like clefable can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 01:43:24 No.43288289 Report

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>>43288234
Onix, Sudowoodo, Steelix, Wailmer, Wailord, Bewear, Greedent, Appletun, Cufant, and Copperajah

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