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Pokémon by design complexity (according to a machine)

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:06:47 No.43352484 View View Reply Original Report

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https://qiita.com/mrok273/items/6f0bcdc62b6184f79308

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:22:04 No.43352539 Report

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400 seems good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:24:45 No.43352554 Report

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>>43352484
>eternatus not at the very top
>ditto not at the very bottom
Why are machines so flawed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:26:11 No.43352558 Report

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>>43352554
...but they are. relatively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:28:53 No.43352571 Report

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>>43352554
If you follow the middle line Ditto is literally at the bottom edge and Eternatus is one of the closest to the top edge

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:29:06 No.43352572 Report

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based megafug

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:36:50 No.43352590 Report

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galarian exeggutor ... Growing a neck ...Nope!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:36:54 No.43352592 Report

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>>43352484
What do the axes mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:38:34 No.43352600 Report

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>>43352484
The ones I dislike the most are in the up right corner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:42:32 No.43352618 Report

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>>43352539
I wonder what actually you mean.
>We should have stopped after Gen4
or
>The dexcut was a good idea

400 seems good is actually a good point for both.
But most of the time, those two sides are opposite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:43:33 No.43352626 Report

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>>43352592
Y is BST, X is design complexity

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:45:14 No.43352632 Report

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>>43352618
anon...
what in the actual fuck are you talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:47:37 No.43352643 Report

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>>43352632
I don't know. I'm an ESL and got through the pain of reading that article in english awfully translated from japanese by Google. I think my brain just melted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:49:23 No.43352651 Report

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>>43352643
400 is the mid-point where the designs aren’t too complex, or to simple. my dude.
nothing to do with dex numbers or gens, at last from the graph.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:50:26 No.43352654 Report

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>>43352651
But... Y is BST. Nothing to do with complexity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:51:19 No.43352659 Report

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>>43352626
>Surskit is more complex than M-Salamence
>Silcoon is more complex than both Necrozma forms
The fuck is this shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:51:51 No.43352661 Report

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>>43352651
The Y-axis is BST ("race values" according to google translate), only the X axis is about complexity. 0 is the average amount of complexity. Look at Slaking hovering there around 670 despite having a simple design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:52:21 No.43352664 Report

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>>43352659
Oops, other way around.
You get my point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:54:46 No.43352668 Report

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>>43352659
The calculation method is wrong. They admit it at the end of the article. Pokemon with skinny limbs have a higher result.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:54:52 No.43352669 Report

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>>43352554
Y axis is BST, X axis is complexity. So the most complex designs are on the right and the least complex ones on the left. It just shows that BST and complexity are correlated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:55:39 No.43352671 Report

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>>43352659
Thin appendages are worth a lot of points, hence why Surskit, Vibrava and Silcoon/Cascoon are all seen are more complex than they really are. It's a flaw in the algorithm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:56:10 No.43352673 Report

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>>43352669
What does BST stand for?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:57:14 No.43352676 Report

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>>43352673
Base stat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:57:16 No.43352677 Report

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>>43352673
Anon! It's Base Stat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:57:59 No.43352680 Report

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>>43352673
base stats. barely stupid. bring sandwiches, ted.
...
I’m not sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:58:27 No.43352681 Report

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>>43352669
They should have put Dex Number in Y.
Then, we could have seen if there is really a pattern.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 12:59:10 No.43352684 Report

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>>43352681
Maybe you should read the fucking article

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:00:59 No.43352692 Report

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>>43352681
But the project wanted to show whether high BST and complex designs correlate, nothing else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:01:17 No.43352693 Report

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>>43352684
Difficult to see where is Appletun here.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:02:02 No.43352697 Report

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>>43352692
No, it looked at like 4 different correlations

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:02:03 No.43352698 Report

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>>43352681
To nobody's surprise the most complex designs are legendaries from newer generations. The only Gen 1 I can pick out are Gyarados and Dodrio.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:02:20 No.43352699 Report

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>>43352692
No. The premise was about people whining about new designs.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:08:55 No.43352724 Report

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Based

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Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:09:27 No.43352727 Report

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based togedemaru dabbing on the haters

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Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:09:45 No.43352730 Report

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>>43352697
Lugia's shape is really simple in comparison to Reshiram's, how the fuck did this guy define complexity?
As for me, I'd define it as the amount of Bézier curves, anchors and corners you need to parametrize a Pokémon shape with a certain amount of error margin.
That way, shapes like Voltorb would be the simplest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:10:56 No.43352736 Report

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>>43352730
Literally read the article, it has the exact source code of the algorithm

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Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:13:54 No.43352753 Report

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>>43352554
They basically are
>>43352673
Wow

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Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:14:52 No.43352757 Report

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The simplest pokemon designs.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:15:55 No.43352760 Report

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The most complex pokemon designs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:23:48 No.43352788 Report

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>>43352760
How did Arrokuda end up there

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:27:26 No.43352795 Report

Quoted By: >>43352801

>>43352757
>Megavoir is simpler than base form
>ice Darmas are here but fire aren't
>>43352760
>Alolan Egg 2nd most complex
>Klefki 3rd

something ain't right with the methodology
maybe using the models would give better results, though it would be a lot harder to write

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 13:29:20 No.43352801 Report

Quoted By: >>43353214

>>43352795
The algorithm has some issues with the colour white, since it converts things to grayscale. It also sees thin limbs as very complex, hence why Klefki, Alolan Egg, and Surskit are complex designs. It lists some of those biases at the end of the article. It has some issues, but the tendency is correct.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 14:21:42 No.43353042 Report

Quoted By: >>43353145

Very interesting article, but it seems to be missing the fact that earlier gens had more subtle details while the larger shapes were simple.
Pidgey is a simple shape, but it has more detailed claws and feathers. I don't think this guy's algorithm picked up on that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 14:25:16 No.43353066 Report

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>design complexity

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 14:41:03 No.43353145 Report

Quoted By: >>43353173

>>43353042
>Golly gee, I don't see nearly enough Gen war faggotry itt
>Better stoke the flames

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 14:46:41 No.43353173 Report

Quoted By: >>43353375

>>43353145
The whole point of the article was to talk about gen differences.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 14:48:24 No.43353180 Report

Quoted By: >>43353214

>>43352669
Wait, why is Surskit along with Zamazenta then

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 14:50:21 No.43353195 Report

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>>43352554
Brainlet
Machines win as usual. Transhumanism all the way

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 14:54:04 No.43353214 Report

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>>43353180

>>43352668
>>43352671
>>43352801

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 15:03:22 No.43353266 Report

Quoted By: >>43353277

>>43352484
This is extreme autism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 15:05:49 No.43353277 Report

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>>43353266
and I'm for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 15:07:59 No.43353290 Report

Quoted By: >>43353296 >>43353300

>>43352484
>overdesigned Necrozma fusions below Mewtwo X

Machine went full retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 15:09:49 No.43353296 Report

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>>43353290
It doesn't deal well with Pokémon that are mostly white, hence why it thinks Mega Gardevoir is as simple as Clefairy and Alolan Vulpix is way simpler than regular Velpix.
also the Y axis is BST

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 15:10:23 No.43353300 Report

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>>43353290
They're basically just Solgaleo and Lunala with armor, the Mewtwo megas look like the final forms of a DBZ villain.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 15:13:36 No.43353311 Report

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>>43352669
>Alolan Exeggcutor is more complex design than pic related

LOL

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 15:20:53 No.43353349 Report

Quoted By: >>43353390

>>43352484
>>43352669
You are now aware that Grimer is a more complex design than Zen Mode G-Darm

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 15:27:08 No.43353375 Report

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>>43353173
It literally wasnt

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 15:28:27 No.43353386 Report

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>>43352684
>that spike after gen 2
Boomers were right

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Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 15:29:23 No.43353390 Report

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>>43353311
>>43353349
Wait until they see this! Complexity off the chart!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 15:33:05 No.43353407 Report

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>>43353375
The entire premise it's predicated on is a post claiming new Pokemon are simplified, and the article sets out to prove the opposite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 17:26:12 No.43354247 Report

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>>43352757
>Moltres
Literally my moms fried chicken

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 17:45:57 No.43354444 Report

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>ITT: retards who can't understand what statistics and trends are and will speed out without reading the fucking article
LOL SURSKIT IS OVERDESIGNED

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 18:17:55 No.43354723 Report

Quoted By: >>43354911

>klefki is more complex than mega rayquaza

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 18:39:51 No.43354911 Report

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>>43354723
>rayquaza is more complex than mega rayquaza

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