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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 20:42:47 No.43387541 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>43387564 >>43387578 >>43387806 >>43387911 >>43387946 >>43387982 >>43388908 >>43390350 >>43392900 >>43392940 >>43393050 >>43394536 >>43394764 >>43395247 >>43395286 >>43395326

>Clefable gets Fairy typing
>Becomes a near-Uber threat

>Wigglytuff gets Fairy typing
>Remains at the bottom of all the tiers

What went wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 20:43:41 No.43387552 Report

Quoted By: >>43387563

Making fairy type super effective against dark type.
That's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 20:43:41 No.43387553 Report

Quoted By: >>43388846 >>43392375 >>43393607

shit movepool, stat distrubution and normal type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 20:44:19 No.43387563 Report

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>>43387552
And not weak to bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 20:44:22 No.43387564 Report

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>>43387541
its abilities are garbage and it has no good recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 20:45:39 No.43387578 Report

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>>43387541
Shillmon gets pushed by Serebii/Smogon cabal of tards, while based as fuck Wigglybro gets left out because assmad Joe Merrick has his tongue so far up Clefable's netherhole.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:03:04 No.43387806 Report

Quoted By: >>43388004 >>43388260 >>43390350

>>43387541
>slow?
yep
>frail?
yep
>mixed attacker?
yep

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:04:38 No.43387821 Report

Quoted By: >>43389130 >>43390562 >>43393034 >>43393623

lol

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:12:40 No.43387911 Report

Quoted By: >>43392981

>>43387541
Clefable has better abilities and about 50 extra points in its BST.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:15:29 No.43387946 Report

Quoted By: >>43388182

>>43387541
Wigglytuff is what wailord would be, if wailord had less HP, less SpA, less speed and no access to water spout or any high power STAB. So shittier than usual.

It has a massive special movepool and competitive, but it means nothing because it's too slow and too frail to boost itself and attack. It can set rocks I guess, but it's not too good at it. I guess it can do the wish+teleport thing clef does? A shame about no hazard immunity.

I wish wiggs got boomburst, moonblast and nasty plot. That and recover. And fluffy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:18:55 No.43387982 Report

Quoted By:

>>43387541
>Worse ability
>Worse movepool
>Worse overall stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:20:38 No.43388004 Report

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>>43387806
Based SFMA poster

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:24:45 No.43388039 Report

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>huge HP
>shit defenses
this is as bad as slow frail mixed attacker, having huge hp means shit if you have shit defenses, just look at hariyama, wailord, and even OP's pic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:25:34 No.43388052 Report

Quoted By: >>43388997 >>43389146 >>43390048

Wigglytuff @ Adrenaline Orb
Ability: Competitive
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower
- Dazzling Gleam

This wigglytuff can kill a landorus therian. Something Clefable can't do lolz.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:25:47 No.43388055 Report

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>huge HP
>shit defenses
this is as bad as slow frail mixed attacker, having huge hp means shit if you have shit defenses, just look at hariyama, wailord, guzzlord and even OP's pic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:34:32 No.43388182 Report

Quoted By: >>43388236 >>43389047

>>43387946
>doesn't get boomburst, moonblast, nasty plot, or recover
What the fuck? Wigglytuff's movepool was supposed to be its best asset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:39:00 No.43388236 Report

Quoted By: >>43389047

>>43388182
It has that gen I normal type thing going on where it has a fuckton of elemental beam attacks but its actual STAB options are limited. It also has that cucked fairy thing going on where it doesn't get moonblast despite there being no reason why it shouldn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:41:05 No.43388260 Report

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>>43387806
i wouldn't even call it attacker, only good stat is HP you'd have to rely on Competitive every time to deal any sort of damage

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 22:27:52 No.43388846 Report

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>>43387553
>shit movepool

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 22:32:06 No.43388908 Report

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>>43387541
clefable has a good ability and a great movepool

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 22:39:35 No.43388997 Report

Quoted By: >>43389005 >>43389129

>>43388052
wigglytuff is truly the biggest loser of the pokemon series
>BST on par with mons like tangela, misdreavus and pincurchin, used to be 10 points lower even
>horrendous stat spread with good HP and nothing else
>one mediocre ability and two shit ones
>neglected evolution to a shillmon like raichu, except even raichu got more attention than wigglytuff and even jigglypuff did
>so bad even fairy type couldn't save it
>generally has very few fans outside of people who have played the mystery dungeon games
>outclassed and bottom tier for over 20 years

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 22:40:38 No.43389005 Report

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>>43388997
didn't mean to reply to that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 22:44:43 No.43389047 Report

Quoted By: >>43391321

>>43388182
>>43388236
>evolves with Moon Stone
>doesn't get Moonblast
MASUDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 22:52:03 No.43389129 Report

Quoted By: >>43390940

>>43388997
>wigglytuff is truly the biggest loser of the pokemon series
mere neglect does not beat being a legendary that is seemingly intentionally designed as a complete joke in almost every regard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 22:52:08 No.43389130 Report

Quoted By:

>>43387821
>gen 4
>her

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 22:53:55 No.43389146 Report

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>>43388052
>Something Clefable can't do lolz.
0 SpA Clefable Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 300-356 (94 - 111.5%)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 23:55:43 No.43390048 Report

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>>43388052
>Something Clefable can't do lolz
Clefable can learn ice moves, so it actually can kill Lando-T.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 00:20:36 No.43390350 Report

Quoted By: >>43396103

>>43387541
Clefable has a better ability and higher BST to work with, simple as that.
>>43387806
This is just sad for a 3 stage, they should really pump it to Clefable's 483. They were originally found around nearly the same points of RBY anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 00:37:30 No.43390562 Report

Quoted By:

>>43387821
Jesus Christ, might as well call her WigglyJUST

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 01:10:12 No.43390940 Report

Quoted By:

>>43389129
was it meant to look like a music box?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 01:41:23 No.43391321 Report

Quoted By:

>>43389047
>has singing as one of its main themes
>doesn't get boomburst
OHMORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 03:10:31 No.43392375 Report

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>>43387553
It has an amazing movepool and normal isn't a bad type at all, especially not for a dual type.
Its stat distribution is shit, though. Same with its abilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 04:17:53 No.43392900 Report

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>>43387541
Clefable was always better than Wigglytuff.
Both of them becoming fairy types doesn't change the fundamental disparity between their stats, abilities, and to a lesser extent, movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 04:24:00 No.43392940 Report

Quoted By:

>>43387541
All I hear when I see her is the Price is Right losing horn

How did GF fuck up besides as usual

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 04:28:28 No.43392981 Report

Quoted By:

>>43387911
Based Paladinsposter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 04:33:08 No.43393017 Report

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Something Wigglytuff does better than Clef:
-immune to Ghost moves and Hex
-pass bigger wishes with teleport

thats it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 04:36:03 No.43393034 Report

Quoted By:

>>43387821
;___; justice to my baby. I want to use her in battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 04:38:24 No.43393050 Report

Quoted By:

>>43387541
>reads the thread
Is eviolite jigglypuff better than wigglytuff?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 04:42:11 No.43393082 Report

Quoted By: >>43393095

Wigglytuff is that one pokemon that's just impossible to make work, it's stat distribution is just THAT bad.

I hate high hp paper thin defenses pokemon so much, it's my least favorite trend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 04:43:30 No.43393095 Report

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>>43393082
Wobbuffet makes it work, but losing as much HP as possible is kinda the point of Wobbuffet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 05:36:54 No.43393607 Report

Quoted By:

>>43387553
No bro, the problem with Wiggly is abillities and stats, I hope that it'll have a galarian form

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 05:38:50 No.43393623 Report

Quoted By: >>43394368

>>43387821
Fairy typing didn't change shit, still Clefable's bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 07:49:02 No.43394368 Report

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>>43393623
To be fair, Clefable also got Fairy type.
It stands to reason that if two unequal mons get the same buff, they'd continue to be just as unequal as before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 08:33:55 No.43394536 Report

Quoted By: >>43394601

>>43387541
Clefable:
>Pure Fairy-typing (having a Fighting resist is better than a Ghost neutrality)
>95/73/90 bulk
>95 special attack
>Two great abilities in Magic Guard and Unaware
>Has Moonblast STAB
>One of the few Pokemon with Soft-Boiled due to Gen 3 move tutors and uses that as reliable recovery
>Has many of the same support moves as Wigglytuff but it actually has better bulk, a better defensive typing, and two better defensive abilities to properly use them
>Has many of the same coverage moves as Wigglytuff and has higher special attack despite only having 1 STAB
>Gets Teleport, which has been buffed significantly, in LGPE and can be transferred over. Only caveat is that it loses out on the past gen exclusive tutors such as Soft-Boiled.

Wigglytuff
>Normal/Fairy typing (losing out on a Fighting resist for a Ghost immunity)
>140/45/50 bulk, which makes it deceptively frailer than Clefable
>85 special attack
>Does not have Soft-Boiled from Gen 3 move tutors
>No good defensive abilities. Only useful ability is Competitive that patches up its mediocre special attack, and even then several other Pokemon have it and can use better than Wigglytuff can.
>Does not have Moonblast STAB; relies on Dazzling Gleam or Draining Kiss
>Despite having Normal STAB and being a singing Pokemon, does not have Boomburst and instead must rely on Hyper Voice or Hyper Beam
>Has the same physical attack as Clefable, and it is even worse than its special attack, so it can't even compete in that area.
>Is not currently in SWSH and so cannot abuse Teleport (yet)

Wigglytuff is, in most aspects, a shittier Clefable. I am glad it has a relatively unique type combination, shared only by its other family members, Azurill, and Mega Audino, and it is the only consistent fully evolved Normal/Fairy in the game right now, but it sucks. I wish it didn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 08:49:39 No.43394601 Report

Quoted By: >>43394652 >>43394656

>>43394536
I wonder if Wishport Wigglytuff could be any good in NU or PU. It would at least be an improvement from being untiered bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 08:58:40 No.43394652 Report

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>>43394601
Considering Eviolite Clefairy is in NU, definitely not there. In PU, Mawile, Pawniard, and Silvally Poison are part of the upper echelon of the tier right now, while better defensive fairies such as Shiinotic also exist. So for both tiers, probably not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 08:59:27 No.43394656 Report

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>>43394601
Yeah, it could probably be a decent bootleg Clefable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 09:18:07 No.43394764 Report

Quoted By:

>>43387541
it's daifuku rabbit so it's already better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 11:01:32 No.43395247 Report

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>>43387541
Clefable is in one of the worst spots.
It's not good in any format or tier, but it's also not so overwhelmingly bad that people will use it ironically (like Ledian).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 11:07:37 No.43395286 Report

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>>43387541
Give it 100% hit chance with sound moves.
>Sing
>Teleport
> Boomburst
>Dazling gleam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 11:09:13 No.43395302 Report

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He's basically an inferior Chansey.

High HP (but not as high), and worse defenses.

It probably is usable if you are careful, but there really isn't any reason to over Chansey.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 11:13:17 No.43395326 Report

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>>43387541
how would you fix HP only moms?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 13:54:00 No.43396103 Report

Quoted By:

>>43390350
>They were originally found around nearly the same points of RBY anyway.
The difference between the two is that Jigglypuff is a shitmon with 10% encounter rate on Route 3 that anyone can catch, while Clefairy is a relatively rarer mon that has a varying encounter rate between 1 and 10 percent in the depths of Mt. Moon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 13:55:27 No.43396112 Report

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Wigglytuff just needs something unique to set itself apart and not be outclassed

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