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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 21:53:44 No.43388425 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>43388536 >>43388645 >>43389758 >>43390436 >>43391567 >>43395082 >>43395170 >>43402364 >>43405605 >>43405846

Why do VGCfags shit on Smogon metas for being overcentralizing while also completely ignoring this fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 22:02:05 No.43388536 Report

Quoted By: >>43389007

>>43388425
Smogoniggers need to realize that vgc appears more overcentralized than it actually is because players are forced to use the same team for a tournament beginning to end, and in every single game of a best of series.

You would see a lot more variety in vgc if changing your team to try to CT every single match was allowed like in most smogon tournaments.

VGC teams are built for overall consistency relative to the expected metagame, it is actually a lot more like ladder teambuilding than smogon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 22:04:18 No.43388564 Report

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VGCfags don't actually play VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 22:09:09 No.43388645 Report

Quoted By: >>43397883

>>43388425
The meta doesn't actually revolve around Incineroar he's just got a lot of tools that are really good in any doubles match so a lot of teams will end up using him regardless of the rest of the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 22:40:53 No.43389007 Report

Quoted By: >>43390590 >>43390611

>>43388536
You're right, but you're not even disproving that VGC is overcentralized. You're just giving the reason why it's overcentralized.
Is it a good reason? Yes. Of course players would choose consistently good mons over trying to be creative and using strategies that might not even work.
But that's still doesn't change the fact that VGC is overcentralized and its rules encourage overcentralization.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 23:38:23 No.43389758 Report

Quoted By: >>43389861 >>43391360

>>43388425
Because Smogon favors unplayable stallshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 23:44:47 No.43389861 Report

Quoted By: >>43390715

>>43389758
>phone screenshot of some random ladder match
fascinating

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 00:27:44 No.43390436 Report

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>>43388425
>doesn't take advantage of the tools given to them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 00:39:45 No.43390590 Report

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>>43389007
I'm saying that smogon would be overcentralized too if you had to choose the same team for a tournament start to end. However, I also agree with the fact that people who shit on smogon for being overcentralizing is wrong and ignorant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 00:41:32 No.43390611 Report

Quoted By: >>43390708

>>43389007
>VGC is overcentralized and its rules encourage overcentralization.
Jesus christ literally 90% of pokemon is shit that cannot be used in fair competitive, maybe firstly fix their shitty stats or movepool or abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 00:50:03 No.43390708 Report

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>>43390611
This, it's not the meta's fault gamefreak is incapable of balancing pokemon properly

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 00:50:41 No.43390715 Report

Quoted By: >>43390949 >>43391360 >>43392341 >>43394375

>>43389861
>random ladder match
Dumbfuck newfag
That was a ranked 1700 match and was all over /vp/ when it happened because it lasted 1000 turns

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 01:11:01 No.43390949 Report

Quoted By: >>43391689

>>43390715
>1700 elo ladder match
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 01:46:02 No.43391360 Report

Quoted By: >>43397746

>>43389758
>>43390715
That only happens in a stall vs stall match. Both teams were made for battles of attrition, focusing on keeping themselves alive rather than making the opponent dead.
As such, the only thing they could do is survive at each other, which leads to insanely long matches.
Use a non-stall team, and that'll never happen to you because you'll either break through all of your opponent's walls and win, or you fail to do so and get your team worn down until you lose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 02:02:16 No.43391567 Report

Quoted By: >>43394365

>>43388425
Togekiss is actually the overcentralized one right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 02:10:49 No.43391689 Report

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>>43390949
>1700 elo ladder match
>lmao
700 more than you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 02:31:52 No.43391943 Report

Quoted By: >>43392038

Why do Smogoniggers bother with new metagames when ADV OU is perfection?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 02:41:01 No.43392038 Report

Quoted By: >>43392720

>>43391943
Gen II is the best competitive metagame of any video game ever made and the second best game after chess

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 03:06:58 No.43392341 Report

Quoted By: >>43392736 >>43392817

>>43390715

>that clause only activates after 1000 turns

no battle should be longer than 150 turns, and perhaps that's too much too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 03:52:18 No.43392720 Report

Quoted By: >>43393266

>>43392038
That's a funny way of saying Gen I.
Gen I's brokenness is a work of art. You need to understand the mechanics on a level beyond what even the developers understood in order to master Gen I.
No competitive game, be it a video game, board game, or even a sport, will ever compare to Gen I Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 03:53:53 No.43392736 Report

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>>43392341
>150
a perfectly normal battle can get that long if both players are pussy and don't make any aggressive plays or you gotta pp stall something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 04:04:43 No.43392817 Report

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>>43392341
Keep in mind that a turn goes by much faster on Showdown than on cart.
150 turns fly by way more quickly than you might think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 05:04:05 No.43393266 Report

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>>43392720
What about roulette? Both have a pretty similar luck:skill ratio.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 07:47:25 No.43394365 Report

Quoted By: >>43407222

>>43391567
Togekiss is more popular than Incineroar right now, but it's only at 43%.
Incineroar was at 90% at its peak, which is fucking absurd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 07:50:44 No.43394375 Report

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>>43390715
>gorillion turn matches happen very rarely
>DUDE LOOK THIS IS EVERY SMOGON MATCH EVER
What is wrong with you people?

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:29:56 No.43395082 Report

Quoted By: >>43395170

>>43388425
Reminder that this happened.
VGCucks have no right to criticize Smogonfags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:45:52 No.43395170 Report

Quoted By: >>43395208 >>43396604

>>43395082
>>43388425
...anon, the meta doesn't revolve around incineroar. You have a poor understanding on why he is used a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:55:24 No.43395208 Report

Quoted By: >>43395250

>>43395170
I know why.
It's because he's such an overwhelmingly good utility mon.
Intimidate + access to Fake Out, U-Turn, Snarl, and Knock-Off. Not to mention that its stats are all decent outside of speed, but even being slow is sometimes even beneficial with U-Turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 11:01:56 No.43395250 Report

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>>43395208
Yeah. He doesn't centralize though, he isn't even the strongest Pokemon in VGC. It's why I laugh whenever people bring him up as though he's some Mega Rayquaza.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 11:14:27 No.43395337 Report

Quoted By: >>43395347

Incineroars is just all round useful and so you can slap it on pretty much everyteam that's why he's so popular, but it's not a major treat or something that you have to actually counter when building a team, many popular mons have some way to get rido of it.
Besides, he's not nearly as popular this season like in the last one, Togekiss is more of a threat for exemple

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 11:16:00 No.43395347 Report

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>>43395337
Yeah this, he's basically a White Mage/Red Mage wrestler.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 15:22:16 No.43396604 Report

Quoted By: >>43396901 >>43399864

>>43395170
>upwards of 90% usage
>but the meta doesnt revolve around him
Yeah lol. Totally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 16:03:01 No.43396901 Report

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>>43396604
>usage means revolving around him
oh anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 17:44:05 No.43397746 Report

Quoted By: >>43399875 >>43400336

>>43391360
Sorry but /vp/ told me Ferrothorn doesn't get used on stall teams those are both balance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 17:54:23 No.43397883 Report

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>>43388645
Just like Landorus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:29:47 No.43398338 Report

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I played cart ladder last night for 10 games, ultra tier, didnt see a single incineroar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:35:45 No.43398388 Report

Quoted By: >>43398419 >>43398771 >>43399935 >>43403621

I was thinking of using a Gmax Garbador on a VGC team capitalizing on the easy status through Venoshock/Hex. Perhaps partnering with some prankster speed control (Whim tailwind, snarl twave, sableye quash). 2 questions,
>can anyone toss ideas on how to further capitolize on the t poison status he'll give?
>would stench or aftermath be a better ability for him with speed control?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:39:42 No.43398419 Report

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>>43398388
Replying to my own post realizing I forgot he gets Autotomize. That's one of my thoughts answered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:48:53 No.43398513 Report

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>Saying this when Lando-T basically defined OU teambuilding for 3 Gens

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:11:26 No.43398771 Report

Quoted By: >>43399552

>>43398388
Would Gmax tox instead of garbodor just be better for that kinda team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 20:12:12 No.43399552 Report

Quoted By: >>43402587

>>43398771
Hex combos would work, but venoshock needs them to be poisoned, which would only be a 50% chance

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 20:38:58 No.43399864 Report

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>>43396604
If anything, he revolves around the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 20:40:00 No.43399875 Report

Quoted By: >>43400336

>>43397746
This.
Stall is just a bogeyman and doesn't actually exist.
What people call "stall" is actually fat balance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 20:40:07 No.43399879 Report

Quoted By: >>43403530

Dont forget too everyone these days has either a Passimian or a Milotic, both just fuck it in the ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 20:46:32 No.43399935 Report

Quoted By: >>43401642

>>43398388
Does gmax malador poison or toxic badly poison? I thought it was B but every source seems to say A.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 21:26:54 No.43400336 Report

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>>43397746
It doesn't really, some random ladder replay doesn't change that. You can find stall teams with Registeel and nobody considers Registeel a stall staple.

>>43399875
With so many clueless retards on /vp/ calling everything under the sun stall of course you're gonna have a few experts not being able to identify actual stall teams too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 23:21:51 No.43401642 Report

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>>43399935
Just normal poison.
Badly poison would be OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 00:25:31 No.43402364 Report

Quoted By: >>43402598

>>43388425
What's the point of winning if you have to use Incineroar in order to achieve that victory?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 00:46:02 No.43402587 Report

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>>43399552
Poisoned, especially not badly poisoned, is not a great status effect and hex has much better neutral coverage than venoshock. Hex also can operate off other status moves you may include on your team and not just poison.

Venoshock is just harder to build around desu. Its not like you're actually weak to fairies/grass with a toxtricity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 00:47:15 No.43402598 Report

Quoted By: >>43402773

>>43402364
this is the saddest attempt at hating

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 01:05:51 No.43402773 Report

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>>43402598
You know when you're playing any kind of competitive game and you lose. It's a game and you can have fun without ALWAYS winning, but there is still an amount of bitterness when losing. That being said, losing to Incineroar still kinda feels like winning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 02:18:29 No.43403530 Report

Quoted By: >>43403608

>>43399879
Barely 1% of people use Passimian, what do you mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 02:28:07 No.43403608 Report

Quoted By: >>43404561

>>43403530
I was giving examples of contrary/defianters more so. Though I will admit I figured hed be used a little more than that. Hes one of the best fighting types this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 02:29:41 No.43403621 Report

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>>43398388
Dragapult is a great teammate with hex, sub/disable is nice tech for a status oriented team too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 04:29:43 No.43404561 Report

Quoted By: >>43407283

>>43403608
Oh. I thought you were just listing them because Milotic is water and Passimian is fighting.
What makes Passimian so good this gen, anyway? I thought Conkeldurr was way better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 06:43:42 No.43405605 Report

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>>43388425
VGCfags need to pretend that VGC is perfect because there's nothing they can do to make it better other than hope it gets better next year.
Smogonfags can vote in suspect tests or make arguments on the forums that have a non-zero chance of being seen by the council. And since the council members actually play the game, they have an interest in making it more balanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 07:21:05 No.43405846 Report

Quoted By: >>43406221 >>43406681

>>43388425
what did he do you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 08:10:31 No.43406221 Report

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>>43405846
He existed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 09:29:07 No.43406681 Report

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>>43405846
she touched me

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:13:24 No.43407222 Report

Quoted By: >>43407241

>>43394365
Incineroar was 90% in a metagame where legitimately 99% of the dex wasnt viable because shit like Primal Groudon and Mega Rayquaza were allowed. People were hard pressed to fit something into their teams apart from the mandatory 2 Ubers, which is why 90% ended up using the same non restricted mons in every team (usually Incin, Fini and Amoonguss).

These days its usage is boosted a lot by cucks buying Wolfey’s merch who got memed into beliving its some kind of a VGC20 GOAT when he’s just kinda average now. Pic related are the usage stats of top 100 teams on the ladder. Fucking Arcanine is higher.

Incineroar

Incineroar Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:15:55 No.43407241 Report

Quoted By: >>43407280 >>43407293

>>43407222
Arcanine is higher because of dynamax you retard, Incineroar was simply great back in USUM

Incineroar

Incineroar Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:19:56 No.43407266 Report

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and I'm not even hard incineroar user, I simply played this game before and now it's all about hitting hard with dynamax and speed, Corvinight also fucked up thing, also dynamax milotic with weakness policy is absurd, current meta is far offensive than in USUM

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:22:34 No.43407280 Report

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>>43407241
That doesn't go against his point. At all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:23:19 No.43407283 Report

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>>43404561
Passimian is a decent AV user with a great ability, which is useful not only because of Intimidate but also because of max move stat drops. He’s quite good on certain teams although Conk is a better overall pick as it can heal itself and fits on more archetypes.

Incineroar

Incineroar Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:23:38 No.43407286 Report

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are you fucking retarded!? nobody fucking memmed anything, Incineroar was simply the most useful thing in the game before dynamax and corvinight

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:24:50 No.43407293 Report

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>>43407241
Not at all, Dynamax oriented Arcanine’s are maybe 1% of all Arcanines used, its primairly role is still defensive.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:49:05 No.43407394 Report

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Today I will remind them

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 13:22:38 No.43407886 Report

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Only retards in either metagame whine about centralization. The point of playing competitively is to win, and if a player is smart they'll use the best tools to give themselves a shot at victory. Otherwise you're just a scrub.

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