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Gen8 UU discussing dual screens ban

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 15:57:12 No.43488992 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>43489129 >>43489207 >>43489219 >>43490346 >>43490403 >>43493427 >>43493517 >>43493792 >>43495206 >>43495253 >>43502079 >>43504839

>https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-ss-uu-stage-3-as-the-world-falls-down-venusaur-banned-see-post-110.3661513/page-6
OHNONONONONONONONONONONO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 16:20:53 No.43489127 Report

Quoted By: >>43489158

Gen 8 lower tiers are massively fucked with the dexcut, just look at OU, it has like 10 broken offensive threats with barely any counterplay, imagine that but way worse the lower in the tiers you go as there's even less Defensive options

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 16:21:06 No.43489129 Report

Quoted By: >>43489131

>>43488992
For reference this is the same guy that wanted to nerf stall by banning one of Mola/Blissey last gen

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy Tue 05 May 2020 16:21:35 No.43489131 Report

Quoted By: >>43489166 >>43489326 >>43505055

>>43489129
But /vp/ likes that, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 16:27:14 No.43489158 Report

Quoted By: >>43504964

>>43489127
>10 broken offensive threats with barely any counterplay
Sounds based

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 16:28:35 No.43489166 Report

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>>43489131
Sure, but I know anons are going to look at this and think "wow, look at these UU stallfags banning anything offensive" when in reality this guy isn't council, doesn't support stall being really good, and wasn't listened to last gen. Thought I'd get ahead of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 16:36:37 No.43489207 Report

Quoted By: >>43489372 >>43493721

>>43488992
I know this is some random retard but will never understand why the lower tiers feel like their meta needs to resemble the top tiers. Boohoo hyper offense is favored in lower tiers fucking retarded to be banning Mammoswine because of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 16:38:36 No.43489219 Report

Quoted By: >>43489337

>>43488992
>OU, it has like 10 broken offensive threats
And there rest are hyper defensive stallshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 16:39:12 No.43489226 Report

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use defog you shitters

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 16:58:00 No.43489326 Report

Quoted By: >>43504920

>>43489131
>Mola
What pokemon is that? Luvdisc’s evolution of when you were a kid?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 17:00:54 No.43489337 Report

Quoted By: >>43489425

>>43489219
Stall is shit in gen 8

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 17:06:06 No.43489372 Report

Quoted By: >>43489388

>>43489207
Mamoswine fucked Hyper Offense up arguably more than any other playstyle, and is hardly even used in Hyper Offense. You can stop pretending you know the tier now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 17:08:55 No.43489388 Report

Quoted By: >>43489459

>>43489372
Yes yes every fucking thing in the game hurts hyper offense more than any other strategyl fuck off you could ban regenerator and you faggots would find a way to twist it that we're actually hurting hyper offense more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 17:13:06 No.43489425 Report

Quoted By: >>43489450 >>43489502

>>43489337
>Ferrothorn, Pex, Clefable and Corvi are staple in every team.
Hows stall shit this gen?

Stall is shit in VGC but in fanfic it's viralized.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 17:15:58 No.43489450 Report

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>>43489425
>Hows stall shit this gen?
Because true stall's win condition is to either PP stall or toxic stall you to death
"fat balance" just uses fat mons and wallbreakers to constantly pressure you into repetitive switching loops and whittle down your HP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 17:17:22 No.43489459 Report

Quoted By: >>43490176

>>43489388
I’m sorry you’re too shit at the game to know that just because a Pokémon is offensive automatically means it hurts stall more than anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 17:22:49 No.43489502 Report

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>>43489425
stall is fundamentally impossible in doubles, you don't know what you're talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 18:21:55 No.43489947 Report

Quoted By: >>43490366

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12328752/1/VERLISIFY-VERSUS-SMOGON

Just gonna drop this here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 18:50:38 No.43490176 Report

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>>43489459
Ironically, these types of people will complain about how Stall is unbreakable but then complain that something that they claimed before wouldn’t break Stall in the first place is being banned because it’s good against Stall.

They just flipflop their opinions around when ever they need to claim Stall is broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 19:05:44 No.43490346 Report

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>>43488992
So in the oft chance Grimmsnarl drops to UU, it can't even do its bread-and-butter set. Wtf?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 19:07:20 No.43490366 Report

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>>43489947
pure gold

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 19:13:27 No.43490403 Report

Quoted By: >>43490420 >>43493132 >>43493531

>>43488992
Just a reminder. These are all of the mons banned from UU.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 19:15:58 No.43490420 Report

Quoted By: >>43490440

>>43490403
>Attacker x 11

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 19:18:56 No.43490440 Report

Quoted By: >>43491150

>>43490420
Ninetales isn't an attacker.
It sets up Aurora Veil to support attackers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 20:40:20 No.43491150 Report

Quoted By: >>43491340

>>43490440
nooooooooooooooooooooooooo it has attacks so it must be an attacker

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 21:03:28 No.43491340 Report

Quoted By: >>43491374

>>43491150
>Moonblast
>Freezy-Dry
>Psychic
>Dark Pulse
>Dazzling Gleam
>Ice Beam
>Psyshock
>Blizzard
>Ice Shard
>Frost Breath
>Hyper Beam
>Extrasensory

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 21:09:37 No.43491374 Report

Quoted By: >>43491387

>>43491340
>Liquidation
>Poison Jab
>Venoshock
>Facade
>Payback
>Cross Poison
>Gunk Shot
>Brine
>Hex
>Hydro Pump
>Surf
>Ice Beam
>Blizzard
>Sludge Bomb
>Sludge Wave
>Muddy Water
>Scald
Toxapex can learn all of these moves, so I guess it's an attacker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 May 2020 21:11:43 No.43491387 Report

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>>43491374
I'm sure there's a 1000-1300 elo player somewhere out there who thinks merciless pex is a top tier offensive threat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 01:21:45 No.43493132 Report

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>>43490403
Wow. UU really hates attackers, huh?

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Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 02:08:09 No.43493427 Report

Quoted By:

>>43488992
>>>>>dual screens
>FUCKING DUAL SCREENS

POST YFW GEN 4 MASTER RACE

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 02:22:06 No.43493517 Report

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>>43488992
inb4 haxorus and necrozma gets banned and op makes another bait thread

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Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 02:24:05 No.43493531 Report

Quoted By: >>43493639 >>43499996 >>43500772

>>43490403
> Diggersby

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 02:37:12 No.43493606 Report

Quoted By: >>43493676 >>43493748

>dual screens ban

what the fuck are these people doing even at this point, it's like everyone turned retarded this year over everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 02:42:22 No.43493639 Report

Quoted By: >>43500772

>>43493531
Diggersby has a damage output higher than a wet noodle.
It's simply too much of a threat to be left in UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 02:48:17 No.43493676 Report

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>>43493606
Blame gamefreak for cutting mons because holy fuck playing the lower tiers is hot ass

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 02:55:24 No.43493716 Report

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Lmao another braindead ban from a braindead community. What a joke of a meta they make for themselves. Next they will ban pure power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 02:57:34 No.43493721 Report

Quoted By:

>>43489207
Honestly this.
Even if your post is uninformed and clearly displays a lack of understanding of how the meta actually worked leading to Mamoswine's band, I agree that trying to make UU just be a watered-down OU is a mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 03:02:41 No.43493748 Report

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>>43493606
The councils are aware it's retarded. GameFreak is completely at fault for ruining Gen VIII with their stupid buffs and the dex cut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 03:11:36 No.43493792 Report

Quoted By: >>43493854

>>43488992
>Screens are uncompetitive
One day Smogon rules will allow only 6 Pokémons and only with Hidden power

Finally true fairness AND intellectual play/builds

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 03:23:20 No.43493854 Report

Quoted By: >>43494637

>>43493792
Chansey Toxapex only, no damaging moves allowed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 06:01:03 No.43494637 Report

Quoted By:

>>43493854
I know you think you're exaggerating, but...
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pacifistmons.3658719/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 08:27:26 No.43495206 Report

Quoted By:

>>43488992
Wait, but I thought omgon liked stall?
Why did they ban stall screens?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 08:43:23 No.43495253 Report

Quoted By: >>43495303 >>43496512

>>43488992
>1) Screen teams are uncompetitve in terms of match up fishing, 2) Screen teams create multiple overpowered threats (Haxorus, Blastoise, and Necrozma in particular), and 3) Screen teams are uncompetitive in skillless play.
>uncompetitive uncompetitive uncompetitive
Read: I don’t have any actual argument but I’m assblasted I lost to it on the ladder recently so I’m gonna throw a meaningless buzzword and hope it sticks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 08:45:20 No.43495259 Report

Quoted By: >>43495283 >>43496547

Why does UU always try to become the same fucking meta every gen? It's supposed to be the meta bellow OU, but if OU has a lot of broken mons, they'll just send the offensive threats to BL. UU is the only tier which does not want to evolve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 08:54:23 No.43495283 Report

Quoted By: >>43496928

>>43495259
Because the council members wish they were on the OU council instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 08:59:05 No.43495303 Report

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>>43495253
Honestly this.
They throw that word around as much as a fucking American football.
Any strategies, moves, abilities, etc. regardless if it's actually busted or not can be considered uncompetitive if you describe it in a negative light enough.
also just use mr. rime/eviolite g. mr. mime lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 14:23:45 No.43496512 Report

Quoted By: >>43496552 >>43499936 >>43501918

>>43495253
I’m sorry you don’t know shit about the tier anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 14:30:03 No.43496547 Report

Quoted By:

>>43495259
theyve literally been that way since gen 5 when koko was the tier leader

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 14:30:53 No.43496552 Report

Quoted By: >>43496579 >>43498805

>>43496512
And you missed the point of the post completely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 14:36:08 No.43496579 Report

Quoted By:

>>43496552
????

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 15:24:32 No.43496928 Report

Quoted By: >>43502240 >>43502280

>>43495283
Some of them unironically are though. Do OU players like pokeaim and TDK just not give a fuck about UU and phone it in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 19:11:13 No.43498805 Report

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>>43496552
>hurrrrr I wuz pruhtending huuuuuuuh
Oh don't worry, doing this kind of stuff qualifies you as oficially being stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 21:17:28 No.43499936 Report

Quoted By: >>43500702

>>43496512
there's usually a difference between ignorance of the overusage of buzzwords, and being a fucking retard
usually

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 21:22:47 No.43499996 Report

Quoted By: >>43500772

>>43493531
It can actually hit decently hard and we can't have that in our safe space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 21:23:37 No.43500012 Report

Quoted By:

>fanfic meta
still better than VEECEEGEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 22:25:09 No.43500702 Report

Quoted By:

>>43499936
There’s usually a difference between ignorance of how the tier works, and being a fucking retard
usually

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2020 22:34:11 No.43500772 Report

Quoted By: >>43505619

>>43493531
>>43493639
>>43499996
>damage output higher than a wet noodle
>decently hard
252 Atk Excadrill Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 169-199 (49.5 - 58.3%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Huge Power Diggersby Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 193-228 (56.5 - 66.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
And that's without Adamant (which is twice as effective because of Huge Power), Swords Dance, or Choice Band, all of which were viable in UU.
>perfect coverage in STABs + Knock Off
>has no defensive switch-ins
>beats your offensive checks too with +2 Quick Attack or Scarf
>gets Spikes, U-turn, and Huge Power Foul Play for extra techs on Choice sets because why not
Why wouldn't they ban him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 00:47:54 No.43501918 Report

Quoted By: >>43502053

>>43496512
Okay, then can you explain why dual screens are bad without using the word "uncompetitive"?
Because it seems like they just throw that word at whatever they don't like and never elaborate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 00:59:33 No.43502053 Report

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>>43501918
>Because it seems like they just throw that word at whatever they don't like and never elaborate
That’s because you didn’t read the elaboration in the exact same post and just looked at the general statements where he only said uncompetitive twice anyway. So you’re just being ignorant and retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 01:00:38 No.43502065 Report

Quoted By: >>43502147

Dual screens is objectively not uncompetitive or broken. If dual screens was uncompetitive than it would have been banned in OU or other tiers already. If dual screens was broken then you could use ledian or some shit as a dual screen setter and still have it be good. Which it isnt, its dogshit.

If they ban anything it should be individual screen setters or abusers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 01:01:52 No.43502079 Report

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>>43488992
the absolute state of smogoncucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 01:08:31 No.43502147 Report

Quoted By: >>43502422

>>43502065
>If dual screens was uncompetitive than it would have been banned in OU or other tiers already
You mean to tell me that for one reason or another, dual screens isn’t a problem for other tiers and is a problem in UU? What is going on here bros!?!?!?!
>If dual screens was broken then you could use ledian or some shit as a dual screen setter and still have it be good
That’s not how it works
>If they ban anything it should be individual screen setters or abusers
There are more than one screen setters and abusers. This isn’t an issue that can be swept by banning one or two central Pokémon, because there isn’t a central Pokémon. The whole playstyle is cancer to play against

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 01:16:56 No.43502240 Report

Quoted By:

>>43496928
Pokeaim stepped down from UU council because he couldn't give enough of a shit about UU this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 01:20:10 No.43502280 Report

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>>43496928
Someone who doesn't play a tier shouldn't be on the council for that tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 01:34:27 No.43502422 Report

Quoted By: >>43502573

>>43502147
Uncompetitive and broken are different things. Uncompetitive stuff is stuff that takes away from the competitive integrity of the game. So if something is uncompetitive in UU it’s uncompetitive in OU too.
>That’s not how it works
Yes it is. You would still use diglett or trapinch or wyanaut. So AT/ST is the issue because it’s broken no matter what. You would not use this garbage.
>There are more than one screen setters and abusers
Ban them all then

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 01:49:41 No.43502573 Report

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>>43502422
OU and UU are completely different metagames, where there are different threats and playstyles being prominent. Different enough that some things can be uncompetitive in one tier but uncompetitive in another. Especially when we’re talking about UU, the tier that’s generally weaker than OU
>Yes it is. You would still use diglett or trapinch or wyanaut. So AT/ST is the issue because it’s broken no matter what. You would not use this garbage.
And they would be shit. Ledian isn’t even in the game anyways so I don’t know why you brought it up
>Ban them all then
Or we can just ban dual screens

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 07:33:48 No.43504839 Report

Quoted By:

>>43488992
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 07:43:42 No.43504920 Report

Quoted By:

>>43489326
Is this supposed to be a joke?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 07:48:14 No.43504964 Report

Quoted By:

>>43489158
If you want to keep playing gen7OU absolutely

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 07:58:54 No.43505055 Report

Quoted By:

>>43489131
HELLO BUTTSCAB

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 09:38:57 No.43505619 Report

Quoted By:

>>43500772
>Huge Power Foul Play
Forgot how spicy that meme is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 May 2020 15:12:47 No.43507305 Report

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