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>>43534718
It doesn't even do anything to balance out the fact that it gives your opponent a free burn heal. Maybe if it were like Wake Up Slap where it deals more damage to burned targets, it could be better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 17:39:12 No.43534800 Report

Quoted By: >>43534886 >>43539367

cuck Guts Flame-Orb users

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Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 17:41:43 No.43534829 Report

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>>43534743
>Signature Moves haven't been good for 5 generations
>Pyro Ball exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 17:46:07 No.43534871 Report

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>>43534743
>Signature Moves haven't been good for 5 generations.
>Pyro Ball
>Fishious Rend/Bolt Beak
>Aura Wheel
>Shadow Bone

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 17:47:01 No.43534876 Report

Quoted By: >>43538590

>>43534718
It's a better surf in singles since it gets past substitute.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 17:47:18 No.43534886 Report

Quoted By: >>43534931

>>43534800
The relevant ones are weak to Fairy anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 17:48:13 No.43534896 Report

Quoted By: >>43535654 >>43535660

It at least has some relevant reasons to use it
Decidueye's signature ability was the real mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 17:51:45 No.43534923 Report

Quoted By: >>43535212

>>43534798
>It doesn't even do anything to balance out the fact that it gives your opponent a free burn heal.

That effect never comes up, it's purely for flavor. In singles, it's a better version of Surf.

In doubles, it's outclassed by Liquid Voice Hyper voice though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 17:53:49 No.43534931 Report

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>>43534886
Lapras also learns it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 18:04:11 No.43535012 Report

Quoted By: >>43535038 >>43535111

>>43534737
So does Water-type Hyper Voice

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 18:06:04 No.43535028 Report

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>>43534798
That's actually a good idea. I like it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 18:07:40 No.43535038 Report

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>>43535012
Only relevant in doubles as a Surf that bypasses Substitute. In singles, Sparkling Aria does the same thing plus you can still keep Torrent for when you're low on HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 18:18:07 No.43535111 Report

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>>43535012
But with the added bonus of Torrent, so it's better in Singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 18:32:17 No.43535212 Report

Quoted By: >>43535245

>>43534923
So why even mention it if it doesn't actually happen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 18:37:17 No.43535245 Report

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>>43535212
flavor

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 18:46:49 No.43535310 Report

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>>43534718
Gamefreak didn't want it to be popular. Which is also why it and decidueye have trash hidden abilites

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 19:32:38 No.43535654 Report

Quoted By: >>43535660

>>43534896
Decidueye's ability at least traps opponents instead of fucking healing them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 19:33:38 No.43535660 Report

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>>43534896
>>43535654
Oh, wait. I was retarded there for a second and thought you were talking about Spirit Shackle.
Yeah, Long Reach is fucking worthless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 19:45:45 No.43535741 Report

Quoted By: >>43535778 >>43536153

honestly, what really triggers me is that Cinderace got two signature moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 19:50:41 No.43535778 Report

Quoted By: >>43537037

>>43535741
It's the same reason why greninja and incineroar got two as well. shillmon favoritism

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 20:48:28 No.43536153 Report

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>>43535741
Well, if it didn't get 2 signature moves and a blatantly better ability than the other 2, how else are you supposed to know which starter is the correct one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 22:49:07 No.43537037 Report

Quoted By: >>43537057

>>43535778
Greninja got Mat Block and Water Shuriken.
Incineroar got Darkest Lariat and...
What was Incineroar's second?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 22:52:09 No.43537057 Report

Quoted By: >>43537145 >>43541396

>>43537037
Throat Chop was exclusive to Incineroar (and Weavile, but only by breeding with Incineroar) in Sun/Moon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 May 2020 23:06:57 No.43537145 Report

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>>43537057
Goootcha

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2020 01:36:45 No.43538285 Report

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>>43534743
>Signature Moves haven't been good for 5 generations.
Dragon Darts
Aura Wheel
Fishious Rend
Bolt Beak
Overdrive
Pyro Ball
Double Iron Bash
Plasma Fists
Clanging Scales
Clangorous Soul(blaze)
First Impression
Strength Sap
Darkest Lariat
Geomancy
Oblivion Wing
Thousand Arrows
Thousand Waves
King's Shield
Secret Sword
Fiery Dance
Dark Void
Seed Flare
Judgment

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2020 02:15:38 No.43538590 Report

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>>43534798
>>43534876
Make it deal no damage when used on allies, but still heal their burn. Or even have it heal 1/4 HP + burn or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2020 04:29:20 No.43539367 Report

Quoted By: >>43541090

>>43534800
>heal burn on guts flame orb user
>gets burned again immediately after

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2020 09:41:17 No.43541090 Report

Quoted By: >>43541427

>>43539367
>heal burn on guts flame orb user
>less damage from attack
>gets burned again

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Anonymous Mon 11 May 2020 11:24:49 No.43541396 Report

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>>43537057
In other words, not a signature move

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2020 11:37:01 No.43541427 Report

Quoted By: >>43541476

>>43541090
Its perfect bros...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2020 11:41:20 No.43541437 Report

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>>43534718
Twineedle is still the worst one

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2020 11:58:02 No.43541476 Report

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>>43541427
I'm just trying to be optimistic, anon.........

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