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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 16:10:43 No.43551268 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>43551484 >>43551645 >>43552002 >>43553874

>need something that counters/isn't bothered by Intimidate
>need a method of anti-redirection (aka Duraludon the only consistent answer to Follow Me besides spread moves)
>need screen removal
>need speed control
>need taunt
>need Wide Guard
>need something with Soundproof (aka Kommo-o in gen 8)/ghost type/pivoting move because of perish trap teams
>stealth rock is needed (smogon doubles or other 6v6 doubles formats only)
>need powerful attackers among all of this utility
>need ways of beating the most popular/powerful teams and individual mons
>wide guard is wanted
>feint is wanted
>steadfast/inner focus (overlaps with anti-intimidate fortunately)/tsareena/rocky helmet/ghost (also overlaps) is wanted
>cloud nine (drampa for gen 8) is wanted
>safeguard/aromatherapy/heal bell is wanted
How do I make a coherent team with all of this in mind, or do I just have to accept that my team will have some subpar matchups?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 16:14:06 No.43551297 Report

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Blastenapikazard

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 16:16:03 No.43551317 Report

Quoted By: >>43551353

I'm pretty sure you actually just go with whatever threats you're most likely to face. There's no way to handle all of those, and some of those "needs" aren't as mandatory as you might think. For instance, Intimidate is very prevalent but not as required to counter as before. It used to be Lando-T who would be doing the Intimidating from my memory, a bit less so Gyarados. Regardless, it's best to focus on taking out the most prevalent few threats than try to handle everything

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 16:19:18 No.43551353 Report

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>>43551317
Ok, I'll try that. There aren't that many DOU sample teams/rmt and such currently but the usage stats and the replays of a recent Doubles tournament are a good resource

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 16:21:35 No.43551368 Report

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>>43551353
Yeah, I feel like Smogon needs to give more attention to the VGC and Doubles formats desu. I know they're one of the most helpful resources, but they can also be a bit pretentious with how they handle their info and singles OU format. Also not really as helpful as they think unless they're talking to people who are familiar with competitive. Steep learning curve with no slide, just a drop.

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 16:31:40 No.43551453 Report

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>>43551368
Maybe since Smogon Doubles now has a bigger distinction from vgc due to the dynamax ban they'll give it more attention. Its the reason that I started playing in the first place

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 16:34:11 No.43551470 Report

Quoted By: >>43551610

use replays feom dpl to build your team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 16:35:28 No.43551484 Report

Quoted By: >>43551610

>>43551268
>do I just have to accept that my team will have some subpar matchups?
Basically this? That said there are ways around a lot of what you said.
>all special attackers, and a bunch of physical attackers with certain abilities can ignore Intimidate
>just use spread moves
>speed control is 100% mandatory, but between TR, Tailwind, Max Airstream, and Icy Wind you have plenty of options
>like speed control, enough things learn Taunt it's not hard to get
>not really
>kill the trapper before they perish song (use taunt or fake or hit it hard)
>yes? you don't need it in vgc, but with two more pokemon it shouldn't be hard to find a spot
>yes, but pokemon can serve multiple roles, your fast attacker can also run Taunt for example
>want, not need
>want, not need
>want, not need
>Safeguard, like Taunt, has wide distribution; Misty Terrain also covers this

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 16:51:31 No.43551610 Report

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>>43551470
I've watched some of them already and saw some interesting stuff that wasn't very common on the ladder at the time, will watch the rest of them later
>>43551484
I agree with all of your points except for the spread moves one. The pokemon that is being protected by the redirection might resist your spread move(s), giving it a chance to set up or activate Trick room or whatever. Duraludon has 4 moves at most to use against it and they won't be reduced in power like spread moves. One of these moves is Dragon tail which prevents Trick room and wastes your opponents turn if they use setup, especially if its white herb shell smash

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 16:56:26 No.43551645 Report

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>>43551268
>charizard head
>pikachu shoulders
>venusaur torso and leaves
>blastoise shell and legs
>mewtwo tail
What pokemon has that tongue?

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 17:02:36 No.43551679 Report

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>>43551645
>Gengar tongue

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 17:36:41 No.43552002 Report

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>>43551268
Yeah, every team is going to have at least a couple of subpar matchups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2020 21:26:08 No.43553874 Report

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>>43551268
You don’t go in to counter everything. That’s reactive playing.

Your teams needs a mix of strategy and flexibility. That by itself is extremely challenging.

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