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Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 04:14:00 No.43566437 View View Reply Original Report

When did he get so good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 04:15:34 No.43566449 Report

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>>43566437
I don't know, but I've liked him since he came out. Seismitoad, Poliwrath, Politoed, Venusaur, Heatran, Toxicroak - can't think of any frog/toadmons that aren't great!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 04:15:56 No.43566455 Report

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>>43566437
It finally got physically water stab

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 04:16:27 No.43566458 Report

Quoted By: >>43569606 >>43570036

Tangrowth syndrome, originally was run as the best answer to dracovish, and then people realized he was just a terrific counter to fire, ground, and electric mons in general

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 04:18:20 No.43566470 Report

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When water immunities became a near-mandatory feature of good teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 04:24:11 No.43566504 Report

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>>43566437
gen 8

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 04:24:55 No.43566511 Report

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>>43566437
Dracovish + Fishious Rend doesn't work on that binch

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 04:33:35 No.43566562 Report

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>>43566437
He decided to just be himself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 04:34:27 No.43566566 Report

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>>43566437
Cause he's the only frogmon left that's a water type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 04:39:21 No.43566588 Report

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>>43566437
>B rank in Gen 5
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-viability-ranking-mk-3.3658220/
>E2 rank in Gen 6
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-viability-rankings-last-updated-9-9-19.3623399/
>C+ in Gen 7
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usum-ou-ultra-viability-ranking-thread.3621329/
Seismitoad has literally always been good. It just took till Gen 8 with Dracovish forcing water immunities on every team and Clefable making wish passing completely free for casuals to notice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 04:47:57 No.43566632 Report

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>>43566437
Water/Ground types always flip between tiers.
>Swampert
>Quagsire
>Gastrodon
Generally good depending on the meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 04:58:12 No.43566694 Report

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>>43566437
When water immunity became mandatory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 05:03:06 No.43566725 Report

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>>43566437
it was a sleeper ou mon in gen 7, gen 8 cut bunch of better rockers and made vish which hes the best counters for.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 05:07:25 No.43566760 Report

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>>43566437
When this shit happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 05:35:15 No.43566912 Report

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>>43566760
Based fish desu

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 05:36:31 No.43566917 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 05:37:37 No.43566921 Report

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>>43566437
Water/Ground types are forever cursed to either be OU or bottom of the barrel depending on what threats are currently in OU.
Unless you're Whiscash. Whiscash always sucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 05:43:26 No.43566957 Report

Quoted By: >>43567002 >>43567029 >>43567238

>>43566437
Frogmons are just inherently based
>Greninja
>Politoed
>Seismitoad
>Toxicroak
>Venusaur
They haven't dropped the ball once

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 05:45:14 No.43566962 Report

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>>43566437
HP grass is gone
so you need a grass type or grassy knot to touch him

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 05:52:36 No.43567002 Report

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>>43566957
what about poliwrath?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 05:53:33 No.43567007 Report

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>>43566917
Fuck off Dennis, you lost your hand because you jerk too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 05:57:07 No.43567029 Report

Quoted By: >>43567093 >>43567291 >>43570391

>>43566957
>Heatran

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 06:00:37 No.43567056 Report

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>>43566437
Cuz all the good competitive mons are gone, only the leftovers are left in gen 8

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 06:05:54 No.43567093 Report

Quoted By: >>43567291 >>43570391

>>43567029
Heatran is very based, she will rewrite the meta when she comes out.
>obliterates Clefable and Corviknight
>immune to Rotom's strongest attack and can hit back with Stone Edge
>Magma Storm chips Seismitoad while letting you freely switch into a counter
>has Stealth Rock, the most important balancing move in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 06:29:54 No.43567238 Report

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>>43566957
How viable would a mono-frog team be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 06:34:05 No.43567266 Report

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>>43566437
It's one of the few Pokemon in Gen 8 able to take on Dracovish currently thanks to Water Absorb. Meanwhile, it ended up becoming a pretty good check to Fire and Electric and managed to gain a benefit from the culling of Hidden Power Grass. Also it's one of the few Pokemon in Gen 8's shit meta that has access to Toxic, so it automatically has a move that most of the roster doesn't. He's been a decent mon over the last few years (He actually had a few stints in UU in Gen 7 as a replacement Mega Swampert) but really hasn't gotten the time to shine until GameFreak fucked up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 06:37:15 No.43567291 Report

Quoted By: >>43570391 >>43574414

>>43567029
>>43567093
>Heatran
>Frog
It's not a frog, it's a Heatran

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 06:50:11 No.43567358 Report

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>>43567002
That's a froglet

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 06:52:30 No.43567378 Report

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>>43566449
Amphibians in general lend themselves to amazing pokemon designs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 07:32:27 No.43567551 Report

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>>43567378
We need more frogs.
We haven't gotten one since gen 6.
And more types. Like electric frogs, ice frogs, fairy frogs, dragon frogs.
The sky should be the limit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 14:58:53 No.43569489 Report

Quoted By: >>43570065

>>43567238
You'd probably run it as a rain team. Between politoed to set and gren/seis/croak/wrath to abuse you would always have a gameplan at least even though its really suboptimal.
I'm not sure what they could do with venusaur though. He can't be used defensively too well due to reduced synthesis healing in rain, or offensively due to the lack of chlorophyll. Might just have to make do with a leech seed protect kinda set or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 15:03:07 No.43569521 Report

Quoted By: >>43569531 >>43569558 >>43570093 >>43573176

>>43566437
The real question is, why is it used so much while Quagsire and Gastrodon are not? They both have water immunity and can carry basically the same moveset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 15:05:13 No.43569531 Report

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>>43569521
Toad has pebbles

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 15:09:55 No.43569558 Report

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>>43569521
Gastrodon has more usage in Doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 15:17:03 No.43569592 Report

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>>43566437
She didn't, her ability just checks Dracovish

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 15:19:18 No.43569606 Report

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>>43566458
>originally was run as the best answer to dracovish, and then people realized he was just a terrific counter to fire, ground, and electric mons in general
Kommo-o is much better as a physically defensive mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 16:10:47 No.43569962 Report

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>>43566437
I don't know, but he fucking carried my team in my Sword playthrough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 16:17:19 No.43570012 Report

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>>43569558
Yep. Storm Drain is one hell of an ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 16:17:58 No.43570020 Report

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>>43566449
Tympole and Palpitoad are pretty weak, but yeah Seismitoad redeems the line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 16:20:20 No.43570036 Report

Quoted By: >>43574910

>>43566455
>Everyone runs it special.

>>43566458
Not the exact same, Toad only sees play because of water absorb, and it's going to fall off hard once Vish gets banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 16:23:54 No.43570065 Report

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>>43569489
Venusaur would be handy as an answer to Zeraora and Grass mons that threaten your team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 16:27:50 No.43570093 Report

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>>43569521
Role compression

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 17:15:24 No.43570391 Report

Quoted By: >>43574911

>>43567029
>>43567093
>>43567291
Heatran is an ambiguous lava creature
This is pocket MONSTERS after all

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 21:40:05 No.43572617 Report

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>>43566437
Because of Dracovish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2020 22:40:09 No.43573176 Report

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>>43569521
Toad has sneaky pebbles, and I'm pretty sure Quag and Gastro lost toxic in gen 8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2020 01:06:37 No.43574414 Report

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>>43567291
Thats where you are wrong, Heatran is a Hellfrog

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2020 02:11:58 No.43574900 Report

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>>43569606
>Weak to Fairy
>More weaknesses in general
>Doesn’t beat Ground types as well
Yikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2020 02:13:09 No.43574910 Report

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>>43570036
>it's going to fall off hard once Vish gets banned
Based retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2020 02:13:09 No.43574911 Report

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>>43570391
Heatran is a frog and it lays its eggs in lava.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 15 May 2020 02:39:47 No.43575089 Report

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>>43574911
>tfw no lava tadpole Heatran pre-evo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2020 03:03:55 No.43575300 Report

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>>43566437
Imagine if there was a Pokemon with a move that could effectively have 573 BP. Literally stronger than STAB explosion, but with no downside, let alone one as bad as fainting from using it.
And now imagine that Seismitoad was one of the few mons that was not only immune to that move, but also pretty useful outside of that immunity.
You don't have to imagine, because that's actually the case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2020 05:09:29 No.43576134 Report

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>>43566437
When an overpowered water move started running rampant and you needed a water immunity (not a resistance, an immunity) to wall it.

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