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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 11:17:46 No.43673754 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>43674402 >>43674417 >>43674866 >>43674946 >>43675057 >>43675109 >>43675917 >>43678622 >>43678662 >>43678709 >>43679307 >>43680837

The only way to solve the boring monotype gimmick of gyms while keeping a theme is to theme it around 2 or 3 types that help counter each other

for example
Rock/Grass gym
Bug/Fighting gym
Electric/Flying/Ground gym
and the last gym being everything like with Blue in GSC

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 13:27:05 No.43674402 Report

Quoted By: >>43674679 >>43674920 >>43677896 >>43678066 >>43680569

>>43673754
No, monotype is good. If it feels too easy just scale up the levels. After leader breaking your counter with good coverage moves, you would beg for type diversity to have it easier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 13:31:24 No.43674417 Report

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>>43673754
dual-type gyms are based, they should be used more often

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 14:30:04 No.43674675 Report

Quoted By: >>43674866 >>43675890

Fuck types.

Examples (many more could be made):
>evasion gym
>momentum gym
>hazards gym
>priority gym
>status ailments gym
>sweepers gym
>trapping gym
>Hax gym (serene grace flinch, one hit ko moves)

> weather E4

>smogonfag champion

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 14:30:57 No.43674679 Report

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>>43674402
>If it feels too easy just scale up the levels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 14:56:14 No.43674866 Report

Quoted By: >>43678625

>>43673754
Double or triple typed characters and gyms are a good idea. It seems obvious but it's STILL a major issue that you can go in and wipe entire gyms with a Pokémon that has one SE move against them.

It'd also make for more interesting characters, rather than "I go fishing sometimes so I train Water types", "I dress gloomily so I train Ghost times", "I actually want to win so I use Dragon types". Imagine someone whose job was like, on an oil rig; so as a consequence they use Water/Steel/Poison.

>>43674675
This, too. There are more than enough entire mechanics to make 8 gyms around. It would be better to escalate rather than hit all at once, but it'd be a far better primer for competitive play than "durr single type".
>Type Core
>Trick Room
>Status Ailment
>Weather
>Entry Hazards
>Priority
>Doubles
>Hail

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:01:42 No.43674896 Report

Quoted By: >>43674957 >>43674976

I think monotype gyms are fine, just allow them to use other types (I think DP did this pretty well) and give them better movesets to counter weaknesses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:05:02 No.43674920 Report

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>>43674402
>you would beg for type diversity to have it easier
>you would beg to have it easier
Oh, anon..

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:08:16 No.43674946 Report

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>>43673754
I agree, and the 2 or 3 types should semi relate to each other, like a bug/grass/poison gym leader with a rainforest theme, or a fighting/dark with a gangster theme, or a ghost/psychic with a exorcism theme, etc, some shit like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:08:21 No.43674947 Report

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>>43674679
>>43674920
Yes, that's literally what I said you retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:09:17 No.43674957 Report

Quoted By: >>43674982 >>43675095

>>43674896
IIRC BW also had a good mix of dual-types in its gyms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:09:41 No.43674959 Report

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>>43674947
Anon....

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:11:16 No.43674976 Report

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>>43674896
I felt like johto's elite 4 did this really well too, Karen especially since her pokemon cover each other's main weakness's while still fitting a theme, and Koga too with foretress and Bruno with onix, tho a steelix would've been better

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:11:50 No.43674982 Report

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>>43674957
I think only the first gym did. They used Lillipup and one of the monkeys. BW should have had more dual types, Brycen 100% should have had Sawk/Throh on his team. Drayden/Iris should have used Excadrill and Eelektross too, I always thought that would have been neat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:13:29 No.43674992 Report

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>>43674947
>you said gyms should have two or three types
>I said gyms should stay monotype but use other mons
Can you read brainlet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:19:24 No.43675023 Report

Quoted By: >>43675068 >>43678603

To get the badges, monotypes make sense from a lore perspective. However for rebattles I think each gym should (while keeping the general theme) give up on monotyping and have a team that could reasonably take on the E4.
Speaking of the E4, they should do monotype the way it was in gen 1, that is to say not really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:22:52 No.43675057 Report

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>>43673754
Raihan is how more gyms should be. He had a type that half his team had but was more focused on sand with some pokemon thay could fit the dragon look like sandaconda. Like imagine a watee gym themed around rain with crogunk and stunfisk

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:24:50 No.43675068 Report

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>>43675023
The E4 was only so mixed because they had a small pool of Pokemon to choose from without reusing Gym types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:29:05 No.43675095 Report

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>>43674957
>>43674982
I think he means using dual-type pokemon that work around the type's weaknesses, like Elesa with Emolga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 15:31:37 No.43675109 Report

Quoted By: >>43676098

>>43673754
Good movepools are the answer. Mons having decent BP coverage moves before the 5th gym rapes your team. Don't believe me? Play literally any fan game or pokemmo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 16:43:51 No.43675630 Report

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>>43675068
I know, but it worked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 16:48:10 No.43675662 Report

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And if they cared about selling the game to primarily manchildren, I'm sure they'd give a fuck. As it is, they don't as it's perfectly suited for their target audience as it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 17:16:44 No.43675890 Report

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>>43674675
This, it could even just be thematic but not mechanic
>Bear gym
>Turtle gym
>Monkey gym
>"location" based gym (e.g. forest with grass types like trevenant, but also forest creatures including flying, normal, poison etc.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 17:20:47 No.43675917 Report

Quoted By: >>43676056 >>43676117

>>43673754
when I was 8 I came up with the idea for a dark/electric gym where half of it was dark and half was light. You stole my idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 17:38:41 No.43676056 Report

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>>43675917
autism

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 17:44:55 No.43676098 Report

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>>43675109
Generally true, though it depends on the given game and type. If Gen 4 Whitney opens with a Lickitung with Power Whip and Fire Blast you're probably not sweeping with Machop/Choke anymore. But that's a deliberate hardcore example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 17:47:20 No.43676117 Report

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>>43675917
cringe, not for the idea but for remembering it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 20:49:00 No.43677885 Report

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>>43674992
Can you? I insisted on keeping monotypes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 20:50:02 No.43677896 Report

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>>43674959
go here: >>43674402

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 20:50:47 No.43677903 Report

Quoted By: >>43677951

>>43677896
Anon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 20:56:30 No.43677951 Report

Quoted By: >>43678069

>>43677903
Ok retard, I'll help you.

Tell me, why monotypes are "weak"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 21:08:57 No.43678066 Report

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>>43674402
fpwp
monotype is stale and boring

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 21:09:13 No.43678069 Report

Quoted By: >>43678555

>>43677951
Point to where I said they were.
Let me help YOU out anon, by repeating what I said earlier.
>you would beg for type diversity to have it easier
>you would beg to have it easier
Oh, anon..

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 21:15:42 No.43678132 Report

Quoted By: >>43678555

>>43674947
Life Orb, Focus/Choice items, berries, wise EV distributions, 31 IVs for every mon used or at least for the high stats... There's much more of difficulty making rather than just "upscaling levels"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 21:57:47 No.43678555 Report

Quoted By: >>43678619

>>43678069
Yes, diverse type would be easier because you would have more chance to have SE move on more leader's pokemon.

>>43678132
Yes, that's what I also meant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 21:58:29 No.43678566 Report

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Platinum solved this, then it was forgotten.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 22:01:04 No.43678603 Report

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>>43675023
>rebattles
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 22:02:34 No.43678619 Report

Quoted By: >>43678714

>>43678555
Are you having a stroke

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 22:03:07 No.43678622 Report

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>>43673754
or
Single battle gym
Double battle gym
Triple battle gym
Rotation battle gym
Inverse battle gym
Multi battle gym

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 22:03:12 No.43678625 Report

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>>43674866
I really like the idea of each leader's team tying into their job. It allows you to get very creative with both the characters and teams. You can imagine how they might interact with the region and play a part in the community.

BW did the latter part right, at least. But what if Elesa as a model had a team of both sleek mons and bulkier, physically tough ones? And Brycen as an actor had mons themed around empathy or disguise/pretense? An interesting road for another game to go down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 22:06:36 No.43678662 Report

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>>43673754
Tbh all gyms should be like Steven. He had his rock fetish thing and yet used rock, steel and ground, all thematically fitting choices.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 22:10:59 No.43678709 Report

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>>43673754
Playing the second pokemon trading card game...er, game. For the Game Boy. The bad guys that you go up against won’t face you unless you construct a deck following their rules.
So to apply this to the main games, you could have a gym leader refuse to battle you if you have a specific type. Or limit the amount of pokemon you go into a battle with. They decide that held-items don’t function. Or all pokemon’s moves in the battle are lowered to 5PP. If you consider that the Gym Leader decided the rules for their gym and can impose them on challengers, it can set up for some interesting battles. Monotype Gyms never bothered me. It always felt like you were battling a master of that type. But, say, you have a Water Gym where the Gym Rules makes it so that Electric-Type moves cannot be used isn’t game breaking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 22:11:27 No.43678714 Report

Quoted By: >>43679146

>>43678619
Are you out of words?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 22:48:59 No.43679146 Report

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>>43678714
Yes, partially because I don't understand how you're missing the point this hard.
Anon, I'm not going to ever "beg for it to be easier" in a Pokemon game because I'm over the age of 18.
I'm genuinely not sure you are. Nor am I sure if English is your first language.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 23:03:48 No.43679307 Report

Quoted By: >>43679354

>>43673754
>people bitch and moan and complain and whine and whinge and protest and flounder and groan about gyms and elite four leaders being monotype and then you say "Diamond Pearl Flint" and suddenly it's "AHHHH REEEEE LOPUNNY ISN'T FIRE GOD NOOO"
I'm so done with this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 23:07:25 No.43679354 Report

Quoted By: >>43679418

>>43679307
are you ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 23:12:51 No.43679418 Report

Quoted By: >>43679546

>>43679354
No I'm not okay. I'm mad about the fandom of a children's game. I am wasting my energy and life arguing about fictional gyms when I could be working out and improving my life at a real gym. It's truly pathetic. So no, I'm not okay. I'm pretty fucking far from okay

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 23:23:12 No.43679546 Report

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>>43679418
I see. Well, you're allowed to have a discussion about an aspect of a franchise you enjoy. I'm sorry you think you need to express an unhealthy amount of anger in doing so.

Get a glass of water and some rest, anon.

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Anonymous Tue 26 May 2020 00:49:37 No.43680452 Report

Quoted By: >>43680569 >>43680803 >>43681069

>guys monotype sucks why not have theme gyms instead
>ok what about a guy that's themed around fire without just using fire types, drifblim is a hot air balloon and steel is forged in furnaces
>REEEE FLINT SUCKS WHY DOESN'T HE HAVE A TEAM OF JUST FIRE TYPES AAAAAA
They literally tried this and everyone just bitched and whined about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 May 2020 00:52:43 No.43680489 Report

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There are enough Pokémon now that they could come up with more creative gym themes like:
>objectmon theme
>specific animal basis theme
>ability theme
>holiday/season theme
I’m not that creative, I’m sure someone could think up better ones.

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Anonymous Tue 26 May 2020 01:03:36 No.43680569 Report

Quoted By: >>43680817 >>43680838

>>43674402
>>43680452
Monotypes are gay
DP didn't do anything wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 May 2020 01:27:16 No.43680803 Report

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>>43680452
whats lopunny's fire connection supposed to be, and dont say that bunnies are "hot" because ew

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 May 2020 01:28:30 No.43680817 Report

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>>43680569
Volkner and Flint’s teams are great and more memorable than any other gen’s leaders. Fuck the hate they get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 May 2020 01:31:00 No.43680837 Report

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>>43673754
or you can be not retarded and include some pokemon that dont have their most obvious weaknesses of their type?
played some romhack that opened up the bug gym with a masquerain and rain dance.
didnt actually have a chance with my fire starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 May 2020 01:31:02 No.43680838 Report

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>>43680569
>fast and frail sneasel’s only ice move makes him go last

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 May 2020 02:00:23 No.43681069 Report

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>>43680452
Gee yes, why would anyone complain about an E4 member throwing shitmons onto their team because of fucked distribution.

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