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>>43749391
>>43749399
Grass priority is useless, you fucking brainlets. Who are you gonna hit it with? Cinderace? Dragapult?
Drum beating is far more flexible

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:36:58 No.43749462 Report

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>>43749399
Not him but that doesn't seem worth it at all.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:37:14 No.43749468 Report

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>Cinderace
>Life Orb
>Jolly
>Pyro Ball
>HJK
>Sucker Punch/Zen Headbutt/Quick Attack
>U-Turn/Quick Attack/Super Fang
>>252 Atk Libero Cinderace Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 132-156 (43.4 - 51.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
>252 Atk Life Orb Libero Cinderace Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 172-203 (56.5 - 66.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
>252 Atk Libero Cinderace Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragapult: 270-318 (85.1 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
>>252 Atk Cinderace Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Clefable: 468-552 (118.7 - 140.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:38:51 No.43749492 Report

Quoted By: >>43749585

I'd probably run U-turn/Drum Beating or Wood Hammer /Knock/EQ on Rillaboom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:38:51 No.43749493 Report

Quoted By: >>43749513

Rillaboom seems like a good counter to sand teams now desu
He can tank anything they can do and get rid of Tyranitar's omnipresent weakness policy

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:38:58 No.43749496 Report

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>>43749393

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:39:52 No.43749513 Report

Quoted By: >>43749548

>>43749493
>Tyranitar's omnipresent weakness policy
Is that a doubles thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:41:06 No.43749529 Report

Quoted By: >>43749546 >>43749551

>>43749415
I didn't say get rid of Drum Beating, Grassy Glide will most likely be low base power anyways. Grass type setup sweepers get walled easily, so might as well switch out Swords Dance for Grassy Glide for that extra priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:42:30 No.43749546 Report

Quoted By: >>43749551

>>43749529
What move would you replace with Grassy Glide?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:42:36 No.43749548 Report

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>>43749513
Yeah, dynamax makes Tyranitar's long list of weaknesses a strength with weakness policy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:42:44 No.43749551 Report

Quoted By: >>43749587 >>43749658

>>43749529
>>43749546
not running u-turn on it seems like such a waste, especially if magnezone comes back which will be like it's best partner by far because it gets walled by ferrothorn/corv (and grassy terrain weakens eq for zone but that's minor)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:44:56 No.43749585 Report

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>>43749492
>EQ in grassy terrain

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:45:25 No.43749587 Report

Quoted By: >>43749597 >>43749617

>>43749551
Magnezone can't beat Ferro anymore, anon. It lost HP Fire in the movecut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:46:17 No.43749597 Report

Quoted By: >>43749627

>>43749587
Watch it run that shitty sub charge beam set from BW2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:46:39 No.43749607 Report

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>>43749415
If Cinderace and Dragapult are at low enough HP, then yes.
You also have Terrakion, Excadrill, Keldeo, Zeraora, and your Rillaboom can run Adamant instead of being Jolly all of the time, which means you don’t have to worry about Jolly Base 73 or above Pokemon.
Oh, and of course no worries about Scarf users either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:47:33 No.43749617 Report

Quoted By: >>43749773

>>43749587
what if
mystical fire Magnezone

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:48:21 No.43749625 Report

Quoted By: >>43750784

>>43749360
>>43749415
Use wood hammer then retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:48:34 No.43749627 Report

Quoted By: >>43749643

>>43749597
Ferro has body press

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:49:43 No.43749643 Report

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>>43749627
Not him but U-turn is generally too good to give up on a mon like Rillaboom, it's a broken move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:51:11 No.43749658 Report

Quoted By: >>43749669

I'm leaning towards OPs strat spread with Grassy Slide, Knock Off and U-Turn (especially because of what >>43749551 said). Now, Wood Hammer or Drum Beating for the last slot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 14:52:16 No.43749669 Report

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>>43749658
Depends on your team. If its a ho Drum Beat, otherwise Wood Hammer

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 15:01:36 No.43749773 Report

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>>43749617
God I hope so, but the TM/TR datamine didnt give Magnezone any fire moves.

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Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 15:06:33 No.43749836 Report

Quoted By: >>43749971

Damn, Rillaboom is going to be a pain for my mono-Ground teams.

Pic related my only hope?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 15:17:10 No.43749949 Report

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Not related but can someone help me with the team builder?
For some reason it only shows 3D pokemon perior to sword and shield even though I'm using the use BW sprites option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 15:18:50 No.43749971 Report

Quoted By: >>43749983

>>43749836
Back in the gen 7 days, mega steelix was mono ground's bulu check. Maybe regular steelix with iron defense body press would work. Special grass types will be a pain, but what special grass attackers survived dexit? Can't think of any besides rotom, which is relatively uncommon compared to heat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 15:20:03 No.43749983 Report

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>>43749971
Roserade

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 16:10:43 No.43750645 Report

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>>43749360
Leftovers may work to make him more tankier and maybe u-turn for momentum. Also priority grass terrain move oooooooooh shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 16:16:45 No.43750723 Report

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>>43749360
>drain punch in fucking grassy terrain
that has literally no value, if you need coverage against steels use high horsepower or superpower

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Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 16:21:53 No.43750784 Report

Quoted By: >>43750847

>>43749625
>Wood Hammer with Life Orb

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 16:22:52 No.43750801 Report

Quoted By: >>43751121

Scarf set

>superpower - checks dragon dance tyranitar, hydreigon, hits the strongest against steel types
>drum beating/wood hammer - grass stab with either utility against incoming switch-ins or as a nuke button and a clean-up tool
>grassy glide - priority against grass weak mons and weak enough mons
>knock-off/u-turn - strong hit against dragapult and has utility, MOMENTUM

>life orb
>bulk up - self-explaining
>substitute - prevents status and at enough bulk up boosts you can resist two hits, it also combos with drum beating
>drum beating - speed control
>high horsepower - strongest hit against steel types with no drawback

swords dance is shit but I guess I can theorymon a set

>swords dance
>grassy glide
>wood hammer
>superpower

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 16:26:30 No.43750847 Report

Quoted By: >>43751039

>>43750784
252+ Atk Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Clefable in Grassy Terrain: 351-414 (89 - 105%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Clefable in Grassy Terrain: 456-538 (115.7 - 136.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 16:41:53 No.43751039 Report

Quoted By: >>43751073

>>43750847
>Dies faster for taking a shitload of recoil
Just use Choice Band nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 16:44:48 No.43751073 Report

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>>43751039
>choice band on a setup set
the point of using nuke moves in setup sets - with grassy terrain acting as recovery - is to pick off a certain target before it can do shit back to you - I'm sure this isn't the only relevant calc. Band and Scarf will still be good but for different reasons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 16:48:53 No.43751121 Report

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>>43750801
Grassy glide should be slashed on the scarf set, you really really want kock off and u turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jun 2020 17:27:23 No.43751623 Report

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>>43749415
Something with low HP, obviously.

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