>>43757602Absolutely. This thing in terms of being a "Pokemon" more less a spammer of one move is a certain kind of bullshit that was unseen before, and pretty much forced the entire meta to warp around it because otherwise teams would autolose to it. If you didn't have a check or counter to it, you're fucked. It wasn't unbeatable and could be checked and countered, just look at Toad and its usage stats. But the amount of warping to make sure Vish was merely "under control" is a testament to over-centralization, where the flexibility of the meta is forced to be rigid in a specific way just to appease Rend.
