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Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 21:13:53 No.43938937 View View Reply Original Report

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She’s gonna get banned to Ubers if she’s able to learn Expanding Force right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 21:18:00 No.43938991 Report

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>>43938937
Yes. She's already fucking broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 21:19:24 No.43939008 Report

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>>43938937
I want Lele to shove her expanding force down my throat

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 21:20:07 No.43939015 Report

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I'll expand her through force.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 21:27:17 No.43939093 Report

Quoted By: >>43939216 >>43943038 >>43945496 >>43947644

>>43938937
Lele needs a buff because the terrain nerf had her drop off in natdex
exploding force also describes my penis when looking at lele

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 21:38:26 No.43939216 Report

Quoted By: >>43939266 >>43947257

>>43939093
She's doing a lot better than both Koko and Bulu are doing now. Bulu isn't even listed on the viability list and Koko is potentially going to drop off the viability list entirely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 21:43:57 No.43939266 Report

Quoted By: >>43939333 >>43947257

>>43939216
Does NatDex OU use moves from the Pokemon Home datamine? Koko and Bulu got massive movepool upgrades

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 21:47:30 No.43939296 Report

Quoted By: >>43939333 >>43939363 >>43939431

>>43938937
it's a buff but it's not as big of a buff as you'd think. Expanding Force is about 15% stronger than Gen VII Psychic.
the big winner and probably ban candidate is Tapu Koko, since rising voltage turns it into a buffed dracozolt

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 21:51:34 No.43939333 Report

Quoted By: >>43940324

>>43939266
National Dex is bad for Bulu regardless. Koko may be able to manage something though. It also will take time for the thread to shift what is considered viable or not.
>>43939296
You're overestimating Koko right now. Smogon's community find it really underpowered now due to the terrain nerf where it getting a power boost isn't going to push it toward a ban.

What's likely to happen is Lele and Koko will shift up a rank in viability and that's all. At least for National Dex, Gen 8 OU it's hard to say right now.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 21:54:40 No.43939363 Report

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>>43939296
>Expanding Force
>Rising Voltage
Hang on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 22:01:58 No.43939431 Report

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>>43939296
>Nerf Terrains to only boosting by 30%
>Keep Weather to 50
Biased.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 22:01:59 No.43939432 Report

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>>43938937
>Electric, Grass, & Psychic Terrains were nerfed from 50% to 30%
>Misty Terrain gets Misty Explosion, which is boosted by 50% when the terrain is active
What did they mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 22:05:24 No.43939471 Report

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>>43939432
Waging holy war against dragons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 22:05:29 No.43939474 Report

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>>43939432
Expanding Force also gets a 50% boost when Psychic Terrain is active. So you get a 30% and 50% boost on top of STAB for Lele.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 22:09:01 No.43939517 Report

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>>43939432
it's shit
they should have given Fini Recover. she wouldn't be Uber, but she would be an S+ and the best defensive mon in the game with it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 22:12:21 No.43939545 Report

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>>43938937
Stonjourner used Wide Guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 22:36:57 No.43939822 Report

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>>43939517
There's a chance it can get Recover when Crown Tundra comes out, or even Life Dew, especially considering its lore states that its special water has purification properties.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 22:58:03 No.43940057 Report

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>>43939822
yeah i agree it should 100% get life dew

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 23:04:34 No.43940107 Report

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>>43938937
Almost certainly. All of the Tapus might get banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 23:06:08 No.43940126 Report

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>>43938937
I wonder if Metagross will get Steel Roller.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 23:07:41 No.43940134 Report

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>>43938937
>Expanding Force inflicts damage. If Psychic Terrain is in effect and the user is grounded upon its execution, this move gets an increased bonus of 2× from the terrain instead of the usual 1.3× bonus, and if the setting is a Double Battle, the move's target will be changed to hit both opposing Pokémon
Wait so is terrain-boosted EF 240BP (x2 from terrain + STAB) or 234BP (x1.3 from terrain + x1.5 from the move's effect + STAB)?

>>43939432
I guess it's their way of making up for misty terrain not boosting fairy moves like the others boost their respective types

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 23:15:49 No.43940212 Report

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>>43938937
>she

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 23:17:11 No.43940226 Report

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>>43940212
>a

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 23:27:58 No.43940324 Report

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>>43939333
Misty terrain shouldn't boost Fairy moves so I'm glad they kept it that way.

Anyway they will not ban Lele to Uber because again she still has multiple checks. Yes Fairy/Psychic is good together but I'm not that worried with her Spe even if Scarfed. Koko we have to see, but he may not even get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 23:35:18 No.43940411 Report

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>>43940134
234

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 23:40:20 No.43940474 Report

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>>43938937
She's already an expanding force on my dick

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 23:42:47 No.43940498 Report

Quoted By: >>43941219

>>43938937
Wimpod used Wide Guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jun 2020 23:45:14 No.43940516 Report

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>>43940474
Ravioli ravioli don't lewd the Tapu Loli.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 01:01:37 No.43941219 Report

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>>43939545
>>43940498
>imply either of those will be used in OU Single battle, which is the dominate format in showdown

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 01:07:16 No.43941287 Report

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>>43941219
>fanfic meta
In the actual game, wide guard will get the job done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 01:08:46 No.43941303 Report

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>>43941287
The beginning power very clearly mentions "Ubers". Says a lot what you know about the official meta. Or you just came in here to spout "fanfic" meta after you knew someone would correct you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 01:15:25 No.43941376 Report

Quoted By: >>43941401

>>43941219
Wide Guard still works in singles... and will block more common moves like Earthquake, Rock Slide, Surf, and others. And you can spam it until the Miltank come home.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 01:17:38 No.43941401 Report

Quoted By: >>43942625

>>43941376
Spam it for what? PP stalling? This at best only works if the opponent is retarded and either choice'd and won't switch out or won't pick another move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 02:40:39 No.43942097 Report

Quoted By: >>43942249 >>43945640

They should buff each Tapu by 10 points in BST.

Koko gets 10 more Special Attack
Lele gets 10 more Speed
Bulu gets 10 more Special Defense
Fini gets 10 more Special Attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 02:59:01 No.43942249 Report

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>>43942097
Fini needs more speed or HP. The special is fine, same as Clefable and the point of Scald isn't damage, but status.
Scald/Moonblast are literally the two best moves for a defensive Pokmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 03:01:41 No.43942276 Report

Quoted By: >>43942625

>>43939474
Expanding force gets a 2x boost actually. It's insane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 03:29:25 No.43942496 Report

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For anyone that's unsure exactly how much Expanding Force is going to do, here's some calcs:

160 BP Psychic (Expanding force replaces normal 1.3 boost with 2.0 boost)
252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 202-238 (51.2 - 60.4%)

Compared to Gen 7 1.5x Psychic:
252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable in Psychic Terrain: 171-202 (43.4 - 51.2%)

As a bonus, here's Rising Voltage Tapu Koko (140 x 1.3)
252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable in Electric Terrain: 186-219 (47.2 - 55.5%)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 03:40:37 No.43942566 Report

Quoted By: >>43945650

Tapu Lele should also get Quiver Dance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 03:48:11 No.43942625 Report

Quoted By: >>43942649 >>43943492

>>43941401
Exactly anon. If you going to PP stall, at least use a pressure mon that gets the job done.

>>43942276
Actually expanding force gets 2× from the terrain boosted effect instead of the 1.3x.

Rising Voltage is much more broken.
In it's terrain the Base power become 140, then you calculate terrain boost, plus stab. They were very careful with the boost for Expanding force, since it can hit hard in doubles, while Rising is single target. That's why people are suspect Koko if he gets it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 03:50:06 No.43942636 Report

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>>43938937
i thought the only pokemon that get expanding force were onix, steelix, and palkia?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 03:52:17 No.43942649 Report

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>>43942625
So Lele gets a 240 base power move after STAB off of a base 130 special attack and Koko gets a 273 base power move after STAB off a base 95 special attack. Things are about to get fun.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 04:32:35 No.43942965 Report

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>>43942649
>Things are about to get fun.
Oh, for sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 04:36:26 No.43942994 Report

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>>43942965
All true yes, nothing has change for him in S/M but
>Dazzling Gleam stops you cold

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 04:41:20 No.43943038 Report

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>>43939093
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 04:43:24 No.43943060 Report

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>>43939822
>>43940057
I wouldn't be so sure, they may cuck her, even if it's related to her dex entry like they did Volcarona with scorching sand

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 04:45:12 No.43943083 Report

Quoted By: >>43943096

>expanding force
>expand
What the fuck were they thinking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 04:46:42 No.43943096 Report

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>>43943083
Cringe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 04:47:44 No.43943101 Report

Quoted By: >>43943565

>>43942649
and Bulu will most likely get priority that will hit harder than Talonflame does with Brave Bird.
It's funny how Game Freak nerfed the Tapus before they were even available, and then buff them with this stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:46:24 No.43943492 Report

Quoted By: >>43943544

>>43942625
>Rising Voltage is much more broken.
Bro, just send in a ground type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:52:51 No.43943544 Report

Quoted By: >>43943934

>>43943492
Bro, just send in a water type. Seriously if people have to respond with the basic switch in type advantage as their comeback, your brain dead because it's common sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:54:59 No.43943565 Report

Quoted By: >>43944217 >>43944272

>>43943101
Plus Bulu may be able to get Play Rough. Why do people keep forgetting about that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:49:01 No.43943934 Report

Quoted By: >>43944325 >>43947093

>>43943544
My point is that Rising Voltage is easily blocked by switching into a common immunity.
This isn't even like Fishious Rend, where only a small handful of shitmons are immune. Ground is a super common type with great mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:51:21 No.43944217 Report

Quoted By: >>43947286

>>43943565
Because Play Rough has basically only three targets (Kommo-o, Mandibuzz and Dragonite). It's not a spammable move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 08:00:34 No.43944272 Report

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>>43943565
Because It's mostly irrelevant.
If bulu had playrough in gen 7 it hits basically nothing and would be a total waste of a moveslots.
In gen 8 it hits basically only defensive Kommo-O who may or may not even be relevant by the time Bulu comes out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 08:12:38 No.43944325 Report

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>>43943934
so is expanded force

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 08:21:33 No.43944373 Report

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It's not fair, bros. I can't wait anymore whatsoever. I want her back among us right now!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 09:21:26 No.43944678 Report

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>>43944325
That'd be more relevant if there were any good dark types at all.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 12:11:03 No.43945483 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 12:13:17 No.43945496 Report

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>>43939093
dangerously based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 12:34:57 No.43945624 Report

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Fuck Tapus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 12:36:05 No.43945637 Report

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>>43945624
i intend to

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 12:36:21 No.43945640 Report

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>>43942097

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 12:37:40 No.43945650 Report

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>>43942566
anon no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 15:05:21 No.43947093 Report

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>>43943934
>My point is that Rising Voltage is easily blocked by switching into a common immunity.

Unlike Lele, Koko has never been played purely as a special attacker. It can go mixed pivot, and setup screens or recover. It doesn't need a scarf to scare shit out with its retarded 210 BP STAB move because it has 130 speed.
Lando is easily thwarted by other flying types, especially faster Lando, but EQ on the defensive set is still a huge threat because of 140 Attack and 100 BP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 15:23:39 No.43947257 Report

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>>43939216
>Koko is potentially going to drop off the viability list entirely.
It did drop off, but it just got added back in the last vr update.
>>43939266
>Does NatDex OU use moves from the Pokemon Home datamine
Not until the pokemon are released in the games and learn those moves for sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 15:26:16 No.43947286 Report

Quoted By: >>43947858

>>43944217
>Because Play Rough has basically only three targets (one of the most prominent physical walls in OU, another common wall that'd you'd need stone edge for otherwise, and Dragonite)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 16:10:37 No.43947644 Report

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>>43939093
Lele’s good, but I prefer Fini. And Misty Explosion describes a three-way with the both of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 16:37:01 No.43947858 Report

Quoted By: >>43948421

>>43947286
Play Rough isn't even a guaranteed kill on Kommo-o.

>252+ Atk Choice Band Tapu Bulu Play Rough vs. +2 252 HP / 200+ Def Kommo-o: 312-372 (88.1 - 105%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

176 speed evs outspeed Adamant, so Kommo-o does 70% to bulu before dying in spite of a x4 weakness. Or it could just eat the Play Rough, Toxic, and switch out.
You'd accomplish the same thing with a banded Urshifu crit, since that goes through Iron Defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 17:33:26 No.43948421 Report

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>>43947858
>has to be at +2 defense to live
>running 176 speed EVs, 252 HP EVs, and 200 def EVs
>and poison jab specifically for bulu
Yeah ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 19:35:52 No.43949861 Report

Quoted By: >>43950238

>>43938937
Absolutely. Offense is scary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 20:12:29 No.43950238 Report

Quoted By: >>43950600

>>43949861
why does /vp/ describe singular pokemon by playstyles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 20:45:33 No.43950600 Report

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>>43950238
Because /vp/ sucks at Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 21:12:57 No.43950913 Report

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>>43944678
>urshifu and bisharp laughing at you.

The fact is lele still has multiple checks even with expanding force by urshifu who out speeds her and steel types blocks her. Right now urshifu is the one dominating the meta and should be talked about.

Also yes I mention urshifu for a reason against lele because both can either run scarf or specs/band. That depends on the team you build but last I check from gen 7 lele specs had a higher usage than scarf. I could be wrong though.

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