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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:01:56 No.43943194 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>43943200 >>43943205 >>43943210 >>43943217 >>43943301 >>43943580 >>43943664 >>43943884 >>43944517 >>43944794 >>43945026

/vp/ two days ago:
>URSHIFU IS SHIT LOL IT ONLY HAS 550 BST? LOLOLOLOL NU HERE WE CUM!

/vp/ today:
>OMG URSHIFU IS SO FUCKING UNFAIR LOL THIS IS TRASH QUICKBAN HERE WE CUM

How does it feel to be a parody of yourself, you bleating sheep?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:02:45 No.43943200 Report

Quoted By: >>43944044

>>43943194
Obligated to do this:
>Fanfic meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:03:31 No.43943205 Report

Quoted By: >>43943213

>>43943194
Sometimes it feels like this /vp/ person has multiple different minds, doesn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:04:43 No.43943210 Report

Quoted By: >>43943989

>>43943194
/vp/ with incomplete information:
>hmmm... doesn't seem very good.
--reddit space--
/vp/ with complete information:
>Oh, never mind. It's very good. Possibly even too good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:05:00 No.43943213 Report

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>>43943205
You'd think that, until one thread becomes big enough and for weeks after, people recycle cliff-notes from it beat for beat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:05:24 No.43943217 Report

Quoted By: >>43943376

>>43943194
>/vp/ is one person
Also, no one was saying it was going to be NU, people laughed at the fact it has 550 BST which is objectively abysmal for legendary standards

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:10:00 No.43943255 Report

Quoted By: >>43943261 >>43943273 >>43943416 >>43943839

Which one is better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:10:29 No.43943261 Report

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>>43943255
Your mom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:12:30 No.43943273 Report

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>>43943255
Singleshifu, without any doubt
Not being able to beat Toxapex is really bad when Pex is so common nowadays

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:17:03 No.43943301 Report

Quoted By: >>43943309 >>43943354

>>43943194
What's the deal with it? How is it unfair?
It seems pretty average to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:18:18 No.43943309 Report

Quoted By: >>43943318

>>43943301
80 BP guaranteed crit dark STAB backed up by base 130 attack is insane

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:20:12 No.43943318 Report

Quoted By: >>43943324 >>43943331 >>43943345 >>43943354 >>43943464

>>43943309
What about the Water type one? Is that one good too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:21:11 No.43943324 Report

Quoted By: >>43943342

>>43943318
It's better in a vaccuum, but the meta isn't a vacuum and pex exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:21:54 No.43943331 Report

Quoted By: >>43943342

>>43943318
It's pretty solid but not as good, water stab won't beat pex which is a big deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:23:51 No.43943342 Report

Quoted By: >>43943357 >>43943397

>>43943331
>>43943324
Well damn, I got the Water type one 'cause I thought it was cooler
Still, that's good news for the Dark type one since it sounds like it's not to be underestimated

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:24:13 No.43943345 Report

Quoted By: >>43944380

>>43943318
same exact stats, just has water type multi hit signature move that does 25 BP guaranteed crit 3 times
both are bound to be good, personally i think single strike will be better because of it's typing only having two weaknesses, and water type being more suited to defensive use as opposed to offense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:26:10 No.43943354 Report

Quoted By: >>43943417

>>43943301
Choice Band Wicked Blow 2HKOs basically every single tank in the game bar a few things like Clef and it's move pool allows it to 2HKO anything that remains. It isn't broken, it's just a great wallbreaker. The meme of course is "OMGON BAN OFFENSE"
>>43943318
Rapidshifu struggles to beat Pex, Amoonguss, Tangrowth, and Surging Strikes isn't as good as Wicked Blow period unless you're dealing with Subs or Mimikyu.
It's decent, and it likely will stay OU, but it's just not as good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:26:35 No.43943357 Report

Quoted By: >>43944065

>>43943342
hold onto it
if single gets banned you can always use terrakion to fill the same role
there's never been a solidly physical water/fighting so how the meta handles it is unknown

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:29:57 No.43943376 Report

Quoted By: >>43943406

>>43943217
BST itself doesn't matter if its distributed well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:32:25 No.43943397 Report

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>>43943342
OU's meta doesn't matter for cart and Tox is not a problem in VGM, where's you'd be actually using on-cart Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:33:05 No.43943406 Report

Quoted By: >>43943428 >>43943646 >>43943787

>>43943376
Of course, but 550 BST is objectively very low for a legendary

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:33:58 No.43943416 Report

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>>43943255
Water. Because water is a better type than dark.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:34:11 No.43943417 Report

Quoted By: >>43943436 >>43943566

>>43943354
>Amoonguss, Tangrowth
>"struggles"
>252 Atk Life Orb Urshifu-Single Wicked Blow vs. 248 HP / 56 Def Amoonguss on a critical hit: 317-374 (73.5 - 86.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
>252 Atk Life Orb Urshifu-Single Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 56 Def Amoonguss: 265-315 (61.4 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

Wicked Blow is effectively a x3 multiplier with the crit factored in, but Fire Punch gets the job down even without a crit.
Literally the only slow wall where Urshifu-Single is better is toxapex. Any fast fairy can switch in to Wicked Blow or Close Combat, while only Fini and Bulu can switch into Surging Strikes and Close Combat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:36:13 No.43943428 Report

Quoted By: >>43943447

>>43943406
It has an efficient spread though, with a low special attack
GameFreak has been giving all the legends and some regular mons like Darm-G, Zen mode, Dragapult and Dracovish efficient spreads. That's what's helped roid up the power creep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:38:07 No.43943436 Report

Quoted By: >>43943447

>>43943417
Read my post again brainlet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:39:09 No.43943447 Report

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>>43943436
Meant for >>43943428

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:41:04 No.43943462 Report

Quoted By: >>43943474

what are the chances of Single strike getting banned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:41:37 No.43943464 Report

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>>43943318
water for veggie sea
dark for OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:43:30 No.43943474 Report

Quoted By: >>43943542 >>43943568

>>43943462
Why would it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:52:35 No.43943542 Report

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>>43943474
It breaks walls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:55:07 No.43943566 Report

Quoted By: >>43943599

>>43943417
If you're running LO then you're missing out on a dumbass number of KOs, unless you're the Bulk Up set, which is not running Fire Punch. Also nigga Assvest Tang laughs off Fire Punch, don't lie and post not even physdef Amoonguss.
>Any fast fairy
And how many of those are in OU right now? Also if we're playing the coverage game, Clefable and Togekiss get killed by Single's coverage.
>while only Fini and Bulu can switch into Surging Strikes and Close Combat.
And Azu. And Primarina. And Starmie. And Amoonguss. And Tang. And Dragapult.
Since you brought up the Tapus I guess you play Natdex where things might be different? But I'm talking about actual OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:55:14 No.43943568 Report

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>>43943474
seems a bit much doesnt it? like Galar weezing looks like the only safe switch in? possibily magera

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:57:08 No.43943580 Report

Quoted By: >>43943623

>>43943194
Well, it takes two days to EV train a mon with Poke Jobs, so...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 05:59:23 No.43943599 Report

Quoted By: >>43943610

>>43943566
banded wicked blow is a guaranteed 2HKO against physically bulky tangrowth, even more to amoonguss

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:00:38 No.43943610 Report

Quoted By: >>43943624

>>43943599
I know that, that's why I'm saying Single is better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:02:00 No.43943623 Report

Quoted By:

>>43943580
>he doesnt feed his bear vitamins

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:02:05 No.43943624 Report

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>>43943610
whoops, didn't even read what you were replying to, my bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:05:02 No.43943646 Report

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>>43943406
For a Legendary, but it's high by general standards nonetheless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:06:51 No.43943657 Report

Quoted By: >>43943762 >>43943887

honestly i like the new strong offenses. helps clear up the shitty walls. remember kids, unga bunga

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:07:53 No.43943664 Report

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>>43943194
It's OK, I wish it fared a bit better VS offense than stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:19:24 No.43943762 Report

Quoted By: >>43943887 >>43944080

>>43943657
Choice band Rhyperior has been with me since platinum.

I understand the Bunga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:24:17 No.43943787 Report

Quoted By: >>43944082

>>43943406
almost like its not a legendary...damn...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:27:50 No.43943804 Report

Quoted By: >>43943887 >>43943976 >>43944520 >>43944732

>Strong wallbreaker that can break stall cores but still can be revenge killed
>Smogon bans it

>Unkillable stall monster that turns every battle in a 30 minutes match and can be easily switched out for another similar stall mon if anything threathening comes in
>Smogon keeps it in OU for life

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:32:27 No.43943839 Report

Quoted By:

>>43943255
The dark one looks cooler

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:42:17 No.43943884 Report

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>>43943194
Both of these forms are terrible except for the fact that they have absurdly high base power always crit moves. The info was out about their base stats sucked and has poor distro probly 12 hours before the fact that they had devastatingly powerful STAB really got around. Even then, Rapid Strike might not even be good, and the only people talking about quickbans are parroting a literal who when actually good players think Single Strike is solid and that's about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:43:31 No.43943887 Report

Quoted By: >>43943909 >>43944407

>>43943762
>>43943657
Based.
>>43943804
Stall is the shittest strat. It's the same as the nigs who ran turbofog in MTG

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:45:28 No.43943909 Report

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>>43943887
I am on a Pokemon board to escape the horrors and memories of Nexus turbofog. Why have you done this to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 06:57:14 No.43943976 Report

Quoted By: >>43943991 >>43944027 >>43944088

>>43943804
Are there any examples of an unkillable stall monster?
Even the most fucked examples of stallmons still have clear and exploitable weaknesses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:00:25 No.43943989 Report

Quoted By:

>>43943210
>--reddit space--
(You)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:01:00 No.43943991 Report

Quoted By:

>>43943976
Eternatus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:11:51 No.43944027 Report

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>>43943976
Gen 6 Mega Sableye is probably the closest you're going to get for something that was actually OU legal for an extended period of time. Not really unkillable, but made stall enormously more powerful all by itself, and had the honor of being the literal best Pokemon in the entire game for a single turn of each game.

For Ubers stall monsters, Lugia is typically the go-to since it's the bulkiest and most passive thing to exist, it's impossible to OHKO without something like a boosted Rock Blast or Icicle Spear to break Multiscale, and still has a reasonable 90 SpA and 110 Spe on top of having two times the bulk of Toxapex (four times the bulk with multiscale). Another example would be Giratina, which isn't quite as bulky but it's got a bit more utility with WoW and much better typing. Giratina was actually "tested" as part of iirc an april fools joke on Showdown, and was pretty oppressively powerful for that single day it was allowed, if you want to go check that out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:15:01 No.43944044 Report

Quoted By:

>>43943200
*sigh*
rent free

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:18:20 No.43944065 Report

Quoted By: >>43944336

>>43943357
Who the fuck would use a special Poliwrath?
Not that Poliwrath is good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:21:12 No.43944080 Report

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>>43943762
For me it’s Choice Band Rampardos
Needs Dick Room though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:22:14 No.43944082 Report

Quoted By: >>43944091

>>43943787
It is legendary
Legendary is just an arbitrary term though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:23:24 No.43944088 Report

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>>43943976
Eviolite Porygon2 is pretty fucking annoying

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:23:51 No.43944091 Report

Quoted By: >>43944157

>>43944082
Never should have been one desu, should have joined Volcarona in being just a rare late-evolving almost legendary-feeling mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:37:37 No.43944157 Report

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>>43944091
yep
they make everything legendary these days the term pretty much means nothing
hasn't meant anything since they started saying type null was one

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:53:37 No.43944234 Report

Quoted By: >>43944241

Should I pick Jolly or Adamant for single strike form?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:54:42 No.43944241 Report

Quoted By:

>>43944234
jolly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:58:55 No.43944265 Report

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>Dark/Fighting

AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHSHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 08:14:48 No.43944336 Report

Quoted By:

>>43944065
keldeo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 08:22:55 No.43944380 Report

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>>43943345
3. Fairy fighting and flying my dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 08:28:14 No.43944407 Report

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>>43943887
Turbofog isn't stall. Well not as much as say any version of azorious control.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 08:49:37 No.43944517 Report

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>>43943194
nigger we didn't know about how it has a 100% critical hit 80 bp STAB move at 130 base attack and can just pass through shields

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 08:50:33 No.43944520 Report

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>>43943804
>but still can be revenge killed
>Implying Smogon stall fags have any Pokemon above 70 base speed to fight back with

If you introduce somthing good you might be able to get them to use Ditto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 09:31:49 No.43944732 Report

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>>43943804
>but still can be revenge killed
Yeah, bro. Just sacrifice one of your mons and hope that your opponent doesn't switch out and you might be able to trade one KO for another.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 09:43:08 No.43944794 Report

Quoted By: >>43944822

>>43943194
>fanfic roleplay metas
off topic thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 09:48:17 No.43944822 Report

Quoted By:

>>43944794
>Playing a less fun meta just because it's official
LMAO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 10:39:14 No.43945026 Report

Quoted By: >>43945032

>>43943194
The funny thing is the general consensus about Urshifu is that its overhyped garbage, despite /vp/ screaming it would break the meta in half by ignoring Protect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 10:40:17 No.43945032 Report

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>>43945026
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