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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 18:45:51 No.43949232 View View Reply Original Report

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Y'all mind if I...
Break the metagame???

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 19:00:55 No.43949409 Report

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>>43949232
You can break ass in two

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 19:45:12 No.43949961 Report

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>>43949232
Imagine having a meta so dependent on Protect that a single mon that goes through Protect can tear it a new asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 19:49:55 No.43950002 Report

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>>43949232
Fanficland or VGC where it has no utility and a critical weakness?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 19:53:20 No.43950040 Report

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>>43949961
And it’s about fucking time, all the protect spammers deserve what they get.

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 19:55:27 No.43950066 Report

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>>43949232
>Um, no sweety

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 19:56:08 No.43950075 Report

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>>43950002
Fanfic doesn't use protect as much as vgc, stall usually doesn't need that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 19:59:25 No.43950107 Report

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>>43950002
Both.
It breaks through Protect, which breaks VGC.
And it's a great wallbreaker, and we all know how much the fanfic council loves their walls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 20:01:33 No.43950130 Report

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>>43949232
Do they each have their own strengths in each meta or is one just universally better than the other in both Smogon and VGC?
t. Doesn’t play competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 20:02:36 No.43950143 Report

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>>43949232
Weezing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 20:06:03 No.43950172 Report

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It will never be Incineroar tier. It's good but there's so much counterplay you're never at a disadvantage just for not having one

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 20:13:49 No.43950262 Report

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>>43949232
>tumblr filename
As expected from a shill.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 20:21:10 No.43950344 Report

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>>43949232
If I mind break y'all... the metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 20:53:16 No.43950691 Report

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>>43950130
They have their own strengths.
Single has better coverage and is better at breaking common walls.
Rapid has a better typing for taking hits (doesn't instantly die to any fairy) and its signature move breaks sashes, disguise, and substitutes.

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 21:05:19 No.43950843 Report

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>>43950344
Man it's weird to come here and randomly see my tweet. Here, have the sequel:

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 22:40:38 No.43951858 Report

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just admit this gen is trash and move on

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 23:19:37 No.43952325 Report

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>>43950066
>Urshifu used Poison Jab

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 23:21:30 No.43952351 Report

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>>43952325
>Poison Jab
>Not Iron Head for Max Steelspike
Okay, Great Ball tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jun 2020 23:26:18 No.43952400 Report

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>>43952325
>poison jab
What retard doesn’t run tail wind on togekiss? 4x dazzling gleam absolutely blows Urshibara’s asshole wide open with it’s shit sp defense especially when togekiss all hold weakness policy’s and are bulky enough to survive any super effective hit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 01:20:10 No.43953595 Report

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>>43952400
>4x dazzling gleam
I don't recall water being weak to fairy, but maybe I'm just mistaken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 01:25:28 No.43953644 Report

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>>43950002
>where it has no utility and a critical weakness
Breaking Protect in doubles with ANY move is the single most broken thing for that format.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 01:26:02 No.43953649 Report

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>>43950066
>252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Porygon-Z Max Strike (150 BP) vs. 236 HP / 12 SpD Togekiss: 203-239 (106.8 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Haha Max Strike go BRRRR

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 01:35:20 No.43953763 Report

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>>43952400
>Tailwind on Togekiss in doubles

??????

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 01:42:11 No.43953861 Report

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>>43950002
Dude, VGC bitches are crying about it, honestly bear dog meido is more threatening than one punch bear in singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 01:42:47 No.43953869 Report

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>>43953763
Quite likely haven't played gen 8 VGC yet.... Gen 7 VGC didn't have speed changes affecting the turn order in middle of turn so Togekiss was good tailwind support back then..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 01:44:19 No.43953891 Report

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>>43953861
97 basespeed is kinda easy to outspeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 01:57:06 No.43954036 Report

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>>43953891
>Urshifu's ally used tailwind

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:00:26 No.43954094 Report

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>>43953891
Thats the point, in singles the fucker needs a band to work as the scarf set leaves a lot to be desired in punching power, had some fun with expert belt though, tricking people into thinking it was a scared one to win the supposed double switch has been a pleasure to exploit.

Anyways,the bear is surprisingly easy to support in doubles but I still thing indeedee is the better Pokemon both utility and power wise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:05:00 No.43954153 Report

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>>43950843
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:09:32 No.43954199 Report

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>>43950107
>It breaks through Protect, which breaks VGC.
Feint has been a move for 4 generations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:11:51 No.43954220 Report

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>>43954199
Also doesn't that one move from hoopa unbound break through protect and substitute? is hoopa not allowed in vgc or is it just that it sucks compared to urshifu?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:13:49 No.43954243 Report

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>>43954220
Hoopa is a mythical so its automatically banned in VGC, feint is also kinda shitty i have only seen it used on Mega pinsir in gen 6 when iate abilities were really strong
while Urshifu ALL of its moves break through protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:16:37 No.43954274 Report

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>>43954199
>>43954220
hoopa not allowed
ability applies to all moves bara bear uses

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:16:59 No.43954278 Report

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>>43954199
Feint, a base 30 Power Normal type move is a lot different from literally any attacking move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:18:04 No.43954293 Report

Quoted By: >>43956348

>g-max one blow is ineffective against rapid strike
>g-max rapid flow is neutral against single strike
What did they mean by this

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:19:41 No.43954315 Report

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>>43950344
>>43950843

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:24:00 No.43954374 Report

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>>43954199
Feint has 30 BP.
Urshifu can break through Protect with any move that makes contact (i.e. most of its moves)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:39:10 No.43954516 Report

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>>43953649
Holy shit, based Porygon-Z.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:40:06 No.43954524 Report

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>>43954278
>literally any *contact move.

it's a minor distinction given its moveset, but there are a few to remember. Rock Slide, Whirlpool, Swift, Rock Tomb, Brine, Fling, Round, Snarl, Aura Sphere, Dark Pulse, Focus Blast, Stone Edge, Scald. Mainly stuff you're never gonna see outside of showderp. Though Scald is still Scald, even with 63 SpA.

Oh, and Max Moves. Those are non-contact. And they already break protects, but only deal partial damage through them while his ability wuld cause full damage if it was contact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:41:33 No.43954540 Report

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>>43954524
>Oh, and Max Moves. Those are non-contact. And they already break protects, but only deal partial damage through them while his ability wuld cause full damage if it was contact.

Max moves OTHER than its signatures, which DO remove Max guard and normal protect.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 02:53:10 No.43954688 Report

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>>43949232
*Kisses you*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:01:01 No.43954787 Report

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>>43949961
One of the biggest reasons I hate VGC is every mon actually only has 3 move slots and a dedicated protect button

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:05:24 No.43954833 Report

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>>43954787
why not just remove protect as a move since nearly everything gets it, and make protectbutton a permanent facet of the game? just call it "dODGE!" like the anime does all the time.

Then you can have 4 moves plus protect, it does practically nothing to the singles meta cause who the hell runs protect in singles besides sppedboost batonpassers and subseeder, oh boy a fifth move, sure is going to break those, it makes VGC have bigger variety, and it makes all the little Timmies feel like Ash Ketchum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:06:49 No.43954848 Report

Quoted By: >>43954863

Is Adamant or Jolly better for One Punch Bear?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:08:00 No.43954860 Report

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>>43949232
Not once has that move worked for me. I am truly cursed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:08:03 No.43954862 Report

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>>43954833
Because two-turn moves become completely worthless and Stall is actually much better now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:08:08 No.43954863 Report

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>>43954848
>One Punch Bear
does water style have a funny name yet too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:09:55 No.43954888 Report

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>>43954862
who the fuck runs 2 turn moves in singles or doubles, or any format, period?

solarbeam IN SUN, and white herb geomancy sure, but anything else they're just going to switch or stay in and kill you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:11:51 No.43954905 Report

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>>43954862
maybe put it on a cooldown? say, the fail chance only resets every X number of turns instead of just first turn you stop spamming it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:11:57 No.43954907 Report

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>>43954863
Not specifically Rapid Strikes form, but Boldest Bear is a good nick name for both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:16:13 No.43954953 Report

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>>43954862
>Stall is actually much better now.
because it gains a 5th move? don't most stallmon just slap down a toxic and then heal themselves forever, occasionally doing damage?

what's a 5th move gonna add? they barely use 3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:16:24 No.43954955 Report

Quoted By: >>43955004

>>43954888
Bounce, Phantom Force, HJK, etc. Slaking is literally unusable. Mons with unique variants of Protect like Spiky Shield can stall much, much longer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:20:51 No.43955004 Report

Quoted By: >>43955118

>>43954955
>Mons with unique variants of Protect like Spiky Shield can stall much, much longer.
it's not like you can sit there swapping back and forth between protect and spiky shield. why would there be any difference between DODGE and spiky shield?

also, HJK isn't a 2turn move, and phantom force specifically ignores protection.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 03:31:13 No.43955118 Report

Quoted By: >>43958938

>>43955004
well, if nothing else, a trainer move (almost like masters) rather than a pokemon move wouldn't have PP right? So they;d never run out. Infinity is a way bigger number than 16.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 05:23:55 No.43956199 Report

Quoted By: >>43956537

>>43954863
Consecutive Serious Bear?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 05:43:22 No.43956348 Report

Quoted By: >>43956510

>>43954293
They meant that rapid flow is better

Getting fucked anally without consent by fairies means you are UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 05:44:27 No.43956358 Report

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>>43949232
Is Dynamax or Gigantimax Urshifu better?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 05:48:51 No.43956390 Report

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>>43952325
>Misty Terrain + Nature Power + Prankster

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 06:06:49 No.43956510 Report

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>>43956348
>They meant that rapid flow is better
Is it, though? Dark mode has answers to fairies, like poison jab and iron head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 06:07:56 No.43956515 Report

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>>43956390
Aren't dark types immune to prankster?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 06:11:45 No.43956537 Report

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>>43956199
As the first guy that called it one punch bear I must say that's a good one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 06:13:42 No.43956542 Report

Quoted By: >>43956554 >>43956612 >>43956632 >>43957141

>>43956515
Yes but you have to target them, I believe. Nature Power targets the user iirc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 06:15:15 No.43956549 Report

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>>43956515
that's the joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 06:15:44 No.43956551 Report

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>>43949232
I think the new moves are going to have a much larger impact on VGC than these dudes, especially Lash Out and Expanding Force. Trick room sweepers will love having a 150 bp move every time Dusclops uses bulldoze and a ridiculously strong psychic spread move right off the bat is crazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 06:16:32 No.43956554 Report

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>>43956542
oh yeah, that's right, I'm a dumbass then

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 06:24:44 No.43956595 Report

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>>43954833
>and make protectbutton a permanent facet of the game
You say this ironically, but this is how it is on Pokémon Go (with only 2/3 moves)... And knowing GF, it can probably become reality sooner or later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 06:27:30 No.43956612 Report

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>>43956390
>>43956542
>>43956554
Nah I remember VGC 2017(?) finals where Whimsicott literally used Z-Nature Power that turned into Twinkle Tackle, then didn't do any damage to Mandibuzz because it was a prankster move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 06:32:05 No.43956632 Report

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>>43956542
Doesn't matter. Dark types are still immune because it's still prankster boosted

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 06:37:43 No.43956678 Report

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>>43954688
Hey, leave my Bro alone *Spits on you* *Misses*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 07:59:40 No.43957141 Report

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>>43956542
If you have to target yourself, how do you make sure you hit the right opponent?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 12:31:07 No.43958938 Report

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>>43955118
Then give it PP. Make some sort of alternate "trainer PP" for trainer moves. This also opens up a whole new gateway for other trainer moves, which could be a cool new feature

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 14:56:33 No.43959831 Report

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>>43954833
Horrible idea, clearly you have 0 competitive experience.
Not even an insult, its just facts

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jun 2020 15:12:51 No.43959934 Report

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>>43954833
no, BUT protect and detect should switch PP values

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