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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 07:10:45 No.44055475 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>44055526 >>44055527 >>44055544 >>44056305 >>44057154 >>44057162 >>44065423 >>44066722 >>44067100

Since Grassy Surge Rillaboom can abuse Grassy Glide for its priority, would it make more sense to give it the standard Scizor set?

>Choice Band/Miracle Seed
>252 Atk, 248 HP, 8 Speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 07:19:07 No.44055526 Report

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>>44055475
>access to U-turn, Superpower, and Knock Off
>GG to replace bullet punch
>better speed and bulk (although worse typing)
Huh. I guess Rillaboom actually can pull off the standard Scizor set. Potentially better than Scizor itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 07:19:16 No.44055527 Report

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>>44055475
>8 Speed
don't think so

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 07:22:46 No.44055544 Report

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>>44055475
it makes more sense to me than Assault Vest which is the most common thing I've been seeing people run their shiny new toy with

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 09:48:25 No.44056305 Report

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>>44055475
Hmm. Now I want to try this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 09:50:52 No.44056318 Report

Quoted By: >>44057172 >>44064717

be cool if Rillaboom could get synthesis in the future

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 12:57:38 No.44057154 Report

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>>44055475
You definitely want wood hammer on banded set along side grassy glide. Not many things can comfortably switch in to a banded wood hammer.

252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mandibuzz in Grassy Terrain: 195-230 (45.9 - 54.2%) -- 53.1% chance to 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 12:58:40 No.44057162 Report

Quoted By: >>44057169

>>44055475
I'd go with something like this

Rillaboom @ Choice Band
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- U-turn
- Knock Off/Superpower
- Grassy Glide

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 12:59:45 No.44057169 Report

Quoted By: >>44057181

>>44057162
why so much speed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:00:12 No.44057172 Report

Quoted By: >>44057249

>>44056318
it should've got it from the start, literally ALL of the other grass starters did
eldegoss can learn it, so why not rillaboom

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:01:51 No.44057181 Report

Quoted By: >>44057937

>>44057169
A lot of faster walls set themselves to that speed. It's one point faster than adamant bisharp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:18:45 No.44057249 Report

Quoted By: >>44057283

>>44057172
Honestly probably because of grassy surge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:25:47 No.44057283 Report

Quoted By: >>44057531 >>44057976 >>44060443

>>44057249
Nope. I'm pretty sure it's just because Game Freak wanted Inteleon and Rillaboom to be inferior to Cinderace, considering all the favoritism and advantages it gets

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 14:19:27 No.44057531 Report

Quoted By: >>44057558

>>44057283
Proof?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 14:25:37 No.44057558 Report

Quoted By: >>44058515

>>44057531
>libero
>pyro ball and court change
>wider moveset
>scorbunny was explicitly said to be masuda's favorite out of the three
Not that hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 15:25:39 No.44057937 Report

Quoted By: >>44058421 >>44059126

>>44057181
Which walls exactly, I'd like to know

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 15:29:50 No.44057976 Report

Quoted By: >>44060309 >>44061674

>>44057283
>it's just because Game Freak wanted Inteleon and Rillaboom to be inferior to Cinderace
Then if that was their intention they failed hard, at least in respect to VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 16:33:22 No.44058421 Report

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>>44057937
Curious about this as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 16:45:50 No.44058515 Report

Quoted By: >>44060855

>>44057558
reminder that Incineroar was Gen7's best VGC mon is because it was Masuda's favorite fursona

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 17:56:11 No.44059126 Report

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>>44057937
This gen all I can come up with is mandibuzz, tentacruel, and kommo-o, maybe rotom too.
Past gens you had to deal with things like zapdos and gliscor which invest in some speed.
It's also good for other more offensive matchups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 20:09:20 No.44060309 Report

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>>44057976
>Gamefreak failed in regards to competitive
Color me shocked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 20:25:23 No.44060443 Report

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>>44057283
>Game Freak wanted Inteleon and Rillaboom to be inferior to Cinderace
Blatant horseshit, Intelleon has one more point in speed just to counter Cinderace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 21:05:11 No.44060855 Report

Quoted By: >>44061139

>>44058515
I'm pretty sure it was a complete accident.
Incineroar was the only one of the 3 to not get a signature hidden ability.
It just so happened that it's extremely common ability ended up being better than the custom abilities made for the other 2 starters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 21:30:58 No.44061139 Report

Quoted By: >>44061416 >>44062542

>>44060855
>got several broken moves
>got great HA that made it even more broken
>Owl and primarina didn't get anything at all
>accident
you are so naive.

Gamefreak always use the favoritism card when it comes to starters.
Just look at Charizard, Blaziken, Infernape, and Greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 21:53:06 No.44061416 Report

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>>44061139
Then how did they drop the ball so hard for Cinderace?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 22:15:24 No.44061674 Report

Quoted By: >>44061751 >>44062512

>>44057976
Worst meta ever. And the cull made things worse. Gamefreak are seriously out of their league with games now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 22:22:05 No.44061751 Report

Quoted By: >>44061812

>>44061674
you bought it anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 22:28:05 No.44061812 Report

Quoted By: >>44062565

>>44061751
Ha ha nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 23:43:13 No.44062512 Report

Quoted By: >>44062692

>>44061674
>6 of the top 8 mons are support
>the best mon is only barely over 30% usage
Seems pretty healthy to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 23:47:35 No.44062542 Report

Quoted By: >>44062709

>>44061139
>broken moves
Name them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 23:50:06 No.44062565 Report

Quoted By: >>44062681

>>44061812
ha ha yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 00:04:06 No.44062681 Report

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>>44062565
>no pokemon game for switch in my library
Dumbass, do you cope by thinking everyone owns games you own or something/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 00:05:07 No.44062692 Report

Quoted By: >>44062756

>>44062512
>is content with pokemon being a shitty stat boosting/reducing stall mess.
Faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 00:06:23 No.44062709 Report

Quoted By: >>44062950

>>44062542
Fake Out, Knock Off, U-Turn, Snarl.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 00:10:20 No.44062742 Report

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I like Scizor but running Swords Dance bulky on it. Would you say his more cohesive set is now Choice Band? Sorry asking because I haven't seen that set and want to optimize my team!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 00:11:22 No.44062756 Report

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>>44062692
Support mons are used to support the actual attackers. They're never the center of a team.
Having the supporters be the most used indicates a lack of centralization because they can be put on teams with multiple different attackers and different strategies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 00:35:50 No.44062950 Report

Quoted By: >>44063414

>>44062709
Those moves aren't broken, smooth brain.

Knock Off isn't move for him anymore anyway.

Mienshao gets U-Turn and Fake Out and isn't "broken". Alolan Persian gets Fake Out, U-Turn, AND Snarl and isn't "broken".

Intimidate isn't a broken ability either. You just literally have a case of the Git Gud

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 01:38:24 No.44063414 Report

Quoted By: >>44067057

>>44062950
One of those things isn't broken, or even two. All of them together, combined with Incineroar's good bulk, make it broken.
Incineroar managed to be the most used mon in seasons where the fucking primals were legal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 04:14:12 No.44064717 Report

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>>44056318
It's already good enough without it, tea bee aich.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 05:37:39 No.44065423 Report

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>>44055475
>bara starter is the king of VGC in gen 7
>bara starter is the king of VGC in gen 8
Will a water-type bara starter be the king in gen 9?

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Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 09:24:02 No.44066722 Report

Quoted By: >>44067336

>>44055475
>Miracle Seed
Exsqueeze me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 10:42:40 No.44067057 Report

Quoted By: >>44067074

>>44063414
What makes Incineroar so good in VGC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 10:47:18 No.44067074 Report

Quoted By:

>>44067057
>great typing
>great bulk
>intimidate
>fake out/snarl/u-turn/knockoff

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 10:55:47 No.44067100 Report

Quoted By: >>44067114

>>44055475
Swords dance is his best set by far, it destroy rain and stall. I have a rain team (1700 elo) and I've tried scizor, mungus, rocky helmet ferro full Def and doesn't matter I still get 6-0 after a SD, band sets are way easier to deal with I've seen a lot of rillabooms in the 1700+ and all of them are SD, now I'm trying a bulky volcarona to pray for a burn and have been more useful that scizor or mungus

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 10:59:57 No.44067114 Report

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>>44067100
Both Scizor and Amoonguss get ravaged by +2 Acrobatics, it's hilarious. If you run bulky Volcarona you should definitely aim to outspeed a 252 speed adamant Rillaboom, otherwise you will fail to stop these Grassy Seed variants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 11:54:35 No.44067336 Report

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>>44066722
If you want extra damage for grassy glide but still want to use other moves.

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