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Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:12:54 No.44151759 View View Reply Original Report

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How would you feel if GF removed the primary Fire/Water/Grass core and introduced a new core to the starter trio such as Rock/Fighting/Flying?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:14:30 No.44151772 Report

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ditto is the only starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:14:39 No.44151773 Report

Quoted By: >>44151789 >>44151794 >>44151797 >>44153071

As long as they intend to make the games for children, that will never happen dude. And given they haven't changed target audiences in over 24 years, I doubt they'll start now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:17:28 No.44151789 Report

Quoted By: >>44151906

>>44151773
How would you feel IF. Use your imagination, it's a hypothetical situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:17:45 No.44151791 Report

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>>44151759
I actually like Corviknight's design, but it's still tainted with gen 8 germs so replace Rookidee with Starly and Rockruff with Larvitar (to make it a 3 stage line) and you got a deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:18:16 No.44151794 Report

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>>44151773
Why Rock/Fighting/Flying follows the exact same logic, unless you mean Fire/Water/Grass is more obvious, but children are still expected to learn all the type weaknesses, including Rock/Fighting/Flying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:18:49 No.44151797 Report

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>>44151773
Yeah but if children can grasp the FWG core then they should be able to catch on to other cores as well. Game dialogue will help with this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:19:38 No.44151802 Report

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>>44151759
>Machop starter
>Can't even get its based form without trading

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:21:30 No.44151817 Report

Quoted By: >>44151863 >>44151898 >>44151927

I’ve been waiting for this my whole life.
Psychic>Fighting>Dark
Flying>Fighting>Rock
Ground>Electric>Water
It’s just so fucking simple but muh patterns, muh simpleton fanbase demands grass>water>fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:22:41 No.44151821 Report

Quoted By: >>44151849

>>44151759
They'd never do it. Both out of tradition and because the interactions between the core three Types is much more obvious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:23:08 No.44151824 Report

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>>44151759
that would require a modicum of thought which modern game freak is incapable of producing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:23:48 No.44151827 Report

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>>44151759
I always felt like fire being in the starter trio was too important to do something like this... I mean, gens have gotten away with putting fire types into the early game (simisear (ew)), but for the most part it's hard to justify in world that a fire lizard or whatever just lives in the local woods. They typically get sanctioned to volcanoes and such until at least somewhere close to the halfway point. Your three, along with water and grass on the other hand, are pretty easy to just throw into the early game, and for the most part it's good to have most of the types accessible to put onto your team earlyish, even if taking the fire starter becomes the only way to get that for a short while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:27:46 No.44151849 Report

Quoted By: >>44151914 >>44151928

>>44151821
Gen 7 removed gyms completely and were replaced by island challenges. If they can do that then a new core into the mix shouldnt be a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:30:12 No.44151863 Report

Quoted By: >>44153020

>>44151817
>Psychic>Fighting>Dark
>early game bugs instill fear into those who didn’t choose fighting
i’m down for that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:35:46 No.44151898 Report

Quoted By: >>44151923

>>44151817
If they gave us these, which type would you choose from each, lads? For me it'd be Fighting, Flying, Ground.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:37:05 No.44151906 Report

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>>44151789
Probably end up boxing the starter as those typings as a starter pick don't appeal to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:38:17 No.44151914 Report

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>>44151849
Childproofing a game is different than altering details about how a Pokemon League operates.

>Starters with easy to understand elemental interactions. So understandable that small children can get what's happening immediately.
>A Pokeball tutorial, whether you want it or not.
>People who insist on explaining how basic game functions work, even if you already know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:39:09 No.44151923 Report

Quoted By: >>44153317

>>44151898
Definitely psychic fighting electric, I need to see a pure electric starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:40:00 No.44151927 Report

Quoted By: >>44152107

>>44151817
Psychic-fighting-dark and water-ground-electric are not true type triangles as they both feature a type that is outright immune to one of the others. The only true type triangles that have all 3 on equal footing in relation to each other that could be done outside of the traditional are flying-fighting-rock, and rock-steel-fire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:40:04 No.44151928 Report

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>>44151849
The difference is changing the plot progression points leaves no discernable problem for new entrants, whereas changing something as innately intuitive as the GFW trio to something else does, no matter how it's tried to be explained.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:50:11 No.44152029 Report

Quoted By: >>44153071

>>44151759
It doesn't demonstrate the concept of type effectiveness to new players as efficiently. Without really having to explain anything, people already know water puts out fire, fire burns plants and plants grow from absorbing water. Trying to express the concept why a martial artist will lose to a bird or a psychic unable to overcome insects takes more steps to get the same mechanic across.

It may be stale, but it's still the best way to translate a core mechanic of the game to their target demographic; young children who are often playing for the first time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 17:58:52 No.44152107 Report

Quoted By: >>44153096 >>44153107

>>44151927
Don't forget fighting-steel-fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:29:15 No.44152980 Report

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>>44151759
I mean, they technically did this in Gen 6, since each other starters had a secondary typing that gave them an additional advantage over each other.

So judging by that, the most reasonable secondary trio would be Fighting/Psychic/Dark to go with Grass/Fire/Water. And if I had starters who were Fighting/Psychic/Dark, I'd be fine with that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:31:56 No.44153020 Report

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>>44151863
>First forest is filled with bugs, screwing over anyone that didn't pick fighting
>To offset this, the first gym is a Flying gym

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:34:50 No.44153051 Report

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New concept: a starter type triangle that are completely neutral to each other.
Electric, Poison, Ice

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:35:53 No.44153060 Report

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>>44151759
Fire/grass/water is more intuitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:36:33 No.44153065 Report

Quoted By: >>44153081

>>44151759
Nah, Fighting/Dark/Psychic fits a lot better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:37:09 No.44153070 Report

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>>44151759
Based, but it has to be a Dark/Psychic/Fighting trio.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:37:10 No.44153071 Report

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>>44151773
>>44151914
>>44152029
>TH-THEY NEED TO HAVE THE GRASS FIRE WATER TRIO F-FOR CHILDREN TO LEARN!!!
When will this fucking retarded meme end? These are those baby child friendly games in the series yet look at what starters they don't have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:37:43 No.44153077 Report

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>>44151759
I want an option to go with random starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:37:57 No.44153081 Report

Quoted By: >>44153103

>>44153065
Psychic doesn't affect dark though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:38:56 No.44153096 Report

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>>44152107
Man, what I wouldn't give to have a gen of Fighting/Steel/Fairy starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:39:42 No.44153103 Report

Quoted By: >>44153250

>>44153081
Well... I fail to see the issue. It follows the Rock/Paper/Scissors logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:40:07 No.44153107 Report

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>>44152107
>fighting-steel-fairy
That sounds like it's be a pretty metal region

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:58:24 No.44153250 Report

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>>44153103
But it doesn't work as the GFW triangle does by being resisted by the type it's weak to. But all you zoomies forget this in your haste to cry for the triangle to be implemented again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 20:00:20 No.44153272 Report

Quoted By: >>44153363

>>44151759
I don't see the point, no need to "fix" what isn't broken. I don't care what type a Pokemon is as long as the design is good so changing the type triangle to something else is just change for the sake of change to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 20:06:18 No.44153317 Report

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>>44151923
So wait we’re just throwing types out there now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 20:11:42 No.44153363 Report

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>>44153272
Not that the core needs fixing just switching it up would be nice.

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