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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 02:44:27 No.44157070 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>44157115 >>44157360 >>44157487 >>44158642

>ubers is suspecting baton pass
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-ss-ubers-stage-2-pass-out-baton-pass-suspect-test.3666897/

At least they're going straight for the BP ban instead of fucking around with clauses this time.

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 02:50:17 No.44157115 Report

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>>44157070
cue seething GF dickriders mad something is getting banned from a format they don't play

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 02:52:38 No.44157128 Report

Quoted By: >>44157198

So, do you guys think they should ban the move, or just implement a forced drypass clause?

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 03:03:28 No.44157198 Report

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Just gonna get this out of the way
fanfic meta
now we can discuss this.

>>44157128
If you're gonna drypass, you may as well just use U-turn/volt switch/flip turn. Pretty much only like one Pokemon will actually utilize and then this means Pokemon like Scolipede and Ninjask can't BP while others can without using a shitty ability. Oh,a nd then what happens when something like Wigglytuff's Competitive or Magearna's Soul Heart is triggered? Guess it means they can't use Baton Pass anymore woopsie!

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 03:24:30 No.44157360 Report

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>>44157070
>Dusclops used defog

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 03:41:26 No.44157487 Report

Quoted By: >>44158112

>>44157070
>Toxapex used Haze
>Niggerghost used spectral theft
>X used taunt
Woah that was hard

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 05:24:09 No.44158112 Report

Quoted By: >>44158746

>>44157487
sub 1001 elo detected

There is no "counter play" to BP considering that BP can just stall all attempts at doing so, as seen here: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-119037709

>Baton Pass has rather limited counter-play options in the teambuilder such as Haze Quagsire/Toxapex, the already mentioned Swords Dance + Sacred Sword Zacian-C, Roar users. most of these alone usually don't come close to a stop to Baton Pass chains, due their constantly evolving ways to deal with their counter-play options. It requires significant degrees of counter-measure to just get around Baton Pass, to the point most players would rather just accept the loss every time and ignore it in the teambuilder; and focus on the other metagame threats. It isn't as simple to approach like other logistical problems to teambuilding such as checking a Pokemon, and these teambuilding constraints are part of the problem. Players shouldn't be expected to completely compromise their teams against metagame threats or be forced to use Haze users on every team they build, even when taking this into consideration you're still never going to completely stop it.

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 07:13:38 No.44158642 Report

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>>44157070
It's literally just brainless flowchart shit.
Only shitters would be sad to see it gone.

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 07:40:01 No.44158746 Report

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>>44158112
I love this replay because the guy “countering” baton pass has no win condition. Of course he fucking lost he’s not doing anything besides resetting to neutral

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 07:46:38 No.44158770 Report

Quoted By: >>44158806

>>44158746
>https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-119037709
Zard and goth are wincon.
If you imply that they need more wincons, that's the point of the argument against BP, you don't have room for multiple wincons and three phazers in a team AND you're still gona lose to BP anyway.

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 07:55:30 No.44158806 Report

Quoted By: >>44158985

>>44158770
A win condition is something like “set up Cloyster after opponent threats are gone in late game” or “set up nasty plot” or “remove all Pokemon that can kill Toxapex” not “uhhhh send in a guy that hits hard xD”

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 08:41:16 No.44158985 Report

Quoted By: >>44159190

>>44158806
>"remove all Pokemon that can kill Toxapex" is a win-con
>"wither down my opponent untill zard can poke a hole" is not

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 09:33:21 No.44159190 Report

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>>44158985
>”Wittling down” a player with permanent ingrained
>Bro I’m countering him

Lol

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