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zoomer shit from retards that are incapable of explaining why they think johto is bad without falling back on memes

"level curve" is another cute one

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Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 07:15:52 No.44204376 Report

Quoted By: >>44204426

>>44204356
the level curve is legitimately bad though, at least in the original gen 2 games

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 07:16:13 No.44204377 Report

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>>44204348
Silent hill... home <3

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 07:19:27 No.44204396 Report

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>>44204348
Gold and Silver were expansions to the Pokemon universe, so naturally Johto was just an extension to Kanto. It wasn't until gen 3 that Game Freak made each region a complete isloated area since that way they can shit out games every year with minimal effort and cut content without people complaining.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 07:24:06 No.44204426 Report

Quoted By: >>44204444 >>44204482 >>44204504 >>44205079

>>44204376
What do you mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 07:28:25 No.44204444 Report

Quoted By: >>44204451 >>44204957

>>44204426
You hit a dead end after the 8th gym before the league and have to grind for hours off of shit gravelers if you want to be up to level enough to have a smooth run without spamming healing items. If you don't mind the game coming to a dead halt for a while before the gateway to the second half of the game it won't kill your enjoyment but it's a little obnoxious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 07:29:18 No.44204451 Report

Quoted By: >>44204471

>>44204444
>and have to grind for hours
and just like that you outed yourself as a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 07:32:46 No.44204471 Report

Quoted By: >>44204957

>>44204451
If you insist. there's a 10 level disparity between common encounters and the league's lowest levels and the levels in the game are such that you can't have a team ready to face the end without some form of grinding. Maybe you just power level your starter though, who can say.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 07:35:01 No.44204482 Report

Quoted By: >>44205257

>>44204426
>Clair has an insane level jump from Pryce because the game becomes linear again
>Recd has an even more insane level jump from Blue for no reason other than "secret superboss"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 07:39:30 No.44204504 Report

Quoted By: >>44204604

>>44204348
Well, Jotho has more Kantonian Pokemon than Jotho Pokemon, some "Jotho" Pokemon are only found in Kanto and Jotho even shares its E4 with Kanto.

Jotho and Kanto could be considered the same region.
>>44204426
Did you ever play it? HGSS are my favorite games, but it was impossible to not be underleveled, unless you grinded like a maniac or were just training 1-3 Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 07:41:42 No.44204514 Report

Quoted By: >>44204519 >>44204623

>>44204348
Johto overreliance on kanto

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 07:42:51 No.44204519 Report

Quoted By: >>44205340

>>44204514
gee, it's almost as if Johto is literally right next to Kanto!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 07:58:36 No.44204604 Report

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>>44204504
I played every game from gen 1 to 6
I can't remember problems in gen 2, as I was a kid at the time
I remember having to use X-items in HGSS since I wanted to speed through the game (since it was a remake) and didn't have any problems.
I was underleveled for Red, but I didn't mind, X-items on a remake didn't bother me
I'm playing ORAS now, and I'm always overleveled, which is my fault for using the exp share.
In fact, I don't think I've had a problem with any pokemon game since gen 3, maybe gen 4.

I don't know if you'd have to grind a lot (since I just used items), and it would be nice to have better exp methods and dynamic exp for Johto.
I have played mmorpgs where grinding is most of what you do, so I don't personally find grinding to be a big problem.
But I can understand how other people with ADHD might find that frustrating

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Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 08:02:32 No.44204623 Report

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>>44204514

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 09:23:17 No.44204957 Report

Quoted By: >>44204958 >>44205002 >>44205066

>>44204444
>>44204471
>Every other Pokemon game
>"Wahhh Pokemon is too easy!!!!"
>Gen 2
>"Wahhh too much grinding!!!!"

retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 09:24:10 No.44204958 Report

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>>44204957
>grinding=difficulty

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 09:39:22 No.44204994 Report

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>>44204355
Cringe

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 09:43:18 No.44205002 Report

Quoted By: >>44205238

>>44204957
Just goes to show there are no good Pokemon games besides blue rescue team

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:02:37 No.44205053 Report

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>>44204355
The thing that made it actually worthwhile in any way shape or form?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:04:33 No.44205066 Report

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>>44204957
You can have difficulty without tedium. Look at USUM's trials for example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:08:08 No.44205079 Report

Quoted By: >>44205107 >>44205131 >>44205215 >>44205257

>>44204426
Johto levels cap out too low, your starter will have probably just recently evolved when you get to the 8th gym, and you might still have NFE pokemon going into the league, even if you avoided going for a token late bloomer like a Larvitar (in HGSS) or Dratini. Whenever the game gives you freedom, it compensates by evening out the levels everywhere you could possibly go somewhat, so you're less likely to come up against a wall. This happens after Ecruteak, but it also happens across most of Kanto because there's very little gating your progression around the region. The freedom is nice, but the result is Kanto becomes easier and easier as you progress through the first seven gyms which are all in the 40s, until Blue finally steps things up right at the end, then the level jump up to Red is so massive that you have little choice but to grind, unless you have a specially tailored cheese team or shove so many items down your pokemon's throats that you can hardly even call what transpired a battle.

Another issue is that every single Johto gym leader has an absolutely pathetic team, even aside from their levels. They'll often have repeated pokemon or multiple different pokemon from the same evolutionary family, despite other options being available in the game. The only thing HGSS fixed in this regard were Pryce's team getting a level bump (not coincidentally because they gated off access to Mahogany until you've gone the other way) and added a pinch of variety to Clair's team.

Johto's a pretty comfy region aesthetically, but that comes with it truly living up to the backwater country-side feel all the way down to how weak everything is. It's not a very satisfying experience from a battling perspective.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:09:05 No.44205083 Report

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If any of you had to grind in gen 2 then you were/are a literal child. I played through Crystal on 3DS recently and by the time I made it to the league my team including Typhlosion and Victreebel was in low 40s and high 30s, the only time I came close to losing was against Lance. I did every trainer normally and never once went out of my way to grind, just slapped an exp share on my weakest mon when I wanted them to catch up. It’s definitely a more compact region and the levels are definitely different but don’t act like you actually had to grind at anytime other than maybe Red, and Red SHOULD be where he is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:12:57 No.44205107 Report

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>>44205079
This guy gets it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:17:31 No.44205131 Report

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>>44205079
If you're telling me grinding in a jrpg is bad, I dont know what to tell you bud.

And yes, gen 1 and 2 had shit NPC teams
Muh lance with 3 dragonites for example

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:25:05 No.44205162 Report

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Is this loss

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:35:29 No.44205215 Report

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>>44205079
actually gym leaders were better in HGSS. They actually use their TMs and have somewhat of a strategy, like Bugsy's Scyther starting off with U-turn, Chuck using hypnosis/double team with focus punch, pryce using hail, Morty whittling you down with Curse etc. Also most have a sitrus berry.

Also movepools were better and not just level up shit. Who fucking cares about levels lol, it's not like it changes your strategy (assuming you have one). just don't be bad at team planning, item usage, or only rely on your starter like a baddie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:40:32 No.44205227 Report

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>>44204348
Johto has never been alone as a region

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:43:50 No.44205238 Report

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>>44205002
Why was the difficulty curve in RT and explorers so damn good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:51:40 No.44205257 Report

Quoted By: >>44205264 >>44205335

>>44204482
>>44205079
The horrible wild pokemon level curve is a genuine issue, but you're both chimps for complaining that Red's jump is massive. Red is not the final boss. Red is a superboss/secret boss. Believe it or not, this was a very common thing in JRPGs back in the day and almost all require grinding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:54:19 No.44205263 Report

Quoted By: >>44208200

>>44204355
Johto is bigger than Kanto, you fucking idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:54:35 No.44205264 Report

Quoted By: >>44205276 >>44205278

>>44205257
In Emerald Steven is 20 levels higher than Wallace in GSC Red is 30 levels higher

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Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:56:55 No.44205276 Report

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>>44205264
OK

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:57:04 No.44205278 Report

Quoted By: >>44205282

>>44205264
Similar level curve and Red is supposed to be the literal penultimate trainer. I think the only reason Steven is weaker is because they didn't want to take the mantle of "strongest trainer" from Red at that point.

The issue is not that Red is strong, the issue is a lack of ways to get experience in GSC. HG/SS fixes that with rematches/leader rematches.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:59:23 No.44205282 Report

Quoted By: >>44205292

>>44205278
The level distance between Red and Steven is only 3 levels this just shows how much weaker the GSC E4 is

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 11:00:18 No.44205292 Report

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>>44205282
Gen II is a dated experience, yes. Most old school JRPGs are. Gen IV's remakes however fix a shitload of the problems and using Red for a level curve argument, especially after the problems are fixed, is retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 11:01:48 No.44205299 Report

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>>44204348
>meme
I like the fact that this board is so dead that a sperg spamming the same thing over and over again is considered a "meme".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 11:10:20 No.44205335 Report

Quoted By: >>44205351

>>44205257
That wouldn't be a problem if there was any good place to actually grind in the original GS games. It's hard to level up when the best experience you can get is a wild Graveler at level 38 on Mt Silver or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 11:11:22 No.44205340 Report

Quoted By: >>44205344

>>44204519
So you're saying it's western Kanto?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 11:12:22 No.44205344 Report

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>>44205340
TIL Germany is western Poland

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 11:13:09 No.44205351 Report

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>>44205335
I absolutely agree that the wild pokemon are horrid. The grind for superbosses has always been tedious, so I don't really count Red in the argument for how shit the wild pokemon levels were (which I am agreeing with you that they are). But I still think it's trite to argue that Gen II games sucked when Gen IV exists. It's like using Red and Blue to say Kanto is trash when Fr/Lg solve a lot of issues.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 15:44:04 No.44206621 Report

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>>44204353
Asian Fluoride Zoomers with ADD being incapable of understanding what makes a real adventure with soul and sentiment

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 19:26:28 No.44208200 Report

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>>44205263
please tell me this is bait

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Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 20:03:18 No.44208542 Report

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Another thread where the tl;dr is
>/vp/ finds out jrpgs are number games which only difficulty factor is tedium
truly i expect more of you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 20:07:05 No.44208571 Report

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>>44204348
unovabortions coping that HGSS is better

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 20:14:50 No.44208640 Report

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>wild pokemon absurdly low level
>trainers also absurdly low level
>level jump before E4, with only absurdly low level wild pokemon to grind off of
>beat E4, unlock entire region filled to the brim with waste of time trash trainers with level 30 pokemon, including some 6 magikarp trainers
>red
Cope fucking retards. Just by sheer volume of content it had, HGSS is better than first versions and everything after gen V, but calling it the best in the series is just mindbogglingly stupid.

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