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Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 00:54:48 No.44346881 View View Reply Original Report

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Has this been debunked yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 00:56:18 No.44346889 Report

Quoted By: >>44347188 >>44347248

yes, I can think of 8 bad things for each good thing on this list

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:00:51 No.44346915 Report

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>>44346881
skipping the catching tutorial is literally the most based thing on this list. i didn’t even know i skipped it until i saw my friend go through it. shouts out to that blipbug i got route 1. you’re a champ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:00:57 No.44346916 Report

Quoted By: >>44347162

>>44346881
>focusing on the open world gimmick instead of actually making a good game first and foremost
>fixing problems that didn't need to exist in the first place
>removing choice from players who might want to be underleveled in order to not blast through the game effortlessly
>see above
>fixing problems that didn't need to exist in the first place
>5 1/2 non-kanto lines with regional forms compared to 19 kanto lines, gigantamax forms are often worse than regular dynamax forms and garbodor is the only non-kanto non-galar mon with a gigantamax form

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:01:21 No.44346921 Report

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>>44346881
>open world section in the form of the wild area
It was an inevitability given the progression of the medium
>changeable natures, egg moves can be passed to parents
Those are bandaid fixes to the awful system that pokemon has
>exp share...
Actually true but there are certain spikes in difficulty which are dumb
>exp candies...
Only good for boosting new pokemon to higher levels while making the game too easy if you have access to them which begs the question "is it fair for a game to expect me to not use a tool it's offered me"
>regional forms...
What does a new region besides kanto not getting pandering prove?
>gigantamax...
A regional gimmick which will be removed for the sake of "uniqueness" come next gen and a lot of the forms pander to KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:30:18 No.44347162 Report

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>>44346916
>>44346921
>d-doesnt count!
Cope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:31:44 No.44347175 Report

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>>44346881
You had me until the EXP share shit. It's a simple matter to let us turn that shit off and the fact that we can't is fucking retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:31:59 No.44347178 Report

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>>44347162
>cope
cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:32:42 No.44347188 Report

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>>44346889
Name them then, subjectivities don't count.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:37:02 No.44347230 Report

Quoted By: >>44347265

>>44346881
The only battles where I was not overleveled with this "improved" exp share was a café battle in Motostoke and Leon, who lost like a bitch against my Flygon soloing his whole team, even easier than Diantha.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:38:46 No.44347248 Report

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>>44347188
>subjectivities don't count.
What counts as subjective? I've seen subjectivity used as a bad faith argument too many times.

>>44346889
You better deliver, I want to see this.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:39:38 No.44347256 Report

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does this retard actually think gmax helped butterfree even slightly as much as megas helped beedrill

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:40:30 No.44347265 Report

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>>44347230
Hammerlocke* I checked again and it was against Alcremie and Slurpuff, I averaged level 30 at the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:40:45 No.44347268 Report

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>>44347188
>subjectivities don't count.
Then remove the subjectivities from the retarded squarepants image, then.
>you can't turn off exp shares
>story being low quality
>friendly rival
>unskippable cutscenes
>following pokémon stuck on paywall
>added pokémon stuck on paywall
>transfer stuck on paywall
>gigantamax form for normal pokémon stuck on paywall
>reused models from XY
>graphics on wild area not fixed
>not every single pokémon programmed in the game
>no post game
>forcing you to use gimmicks
That was easy! Debunked in minutes! I can do this all night.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:41:48 No.44347279 Report

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>>44346881
>gigantamax only for KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO mons
Suuure, faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:42:25 No.44347286 Report

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>>44347248
The music being bad or good, for example, that's 100% subjective since everyone perceives what is essentially just sounds differently.
Something objective could be the length (or lack thereof) of the routes.
I didn't bring it up out of bad faith, it's just that many pro/con lists always end up including things which are up to each individual and not actual ways to judge the inherent quality/care put into the product.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 02:32:37 No.44347745 Report

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>>44347162
Oh hi masuda.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 02:37:12 No.44347773 Report

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>>44346881
Can't debunk the truth

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Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 02:38:29 No.44347783 Report

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>Is... is that... QOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLSSSSSS!!!! OMG #THANKYOUGAMEFREAK I CANNOT WAIT TO MAKE MY BROS BATTLE READY IN LIKE 2 SECONDS SO I AM ABLE TO BATTLE CHINKS WITH HACKED ALL SHINY TEAMS FOR ONLY 10 DOLLARS A MONTH!!!! THIS IS LITERALLY THE BEST POSTGAME EVAR! I BOUGHT THE WRONG VERSION ON PURPOSE TO SHOW MY SUPPORT!

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Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 02:39:07 No.44347786 Report

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>>44347162
yes, it doesn't count

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Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 02:40:21 No.44347791 Report

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>>44346881
>someone spent his time making this shit
>to defend one of the scummiest game development companies in the fucking world

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Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 02:41:32 No.44347800 Report

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>>44347188
>d-doesnt count!
Cope.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 02:46:35 No.44347831 Report

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>>44347791
>"they're scum because they didn't grow their games when I grew up"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 02:46:45 No.44347833 Report

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>Open World
I've only played one open world game I actually liked. Zelda. The first one. On NES. I'd rather have Unova's map design, there's a lot of exploration available there while still being fairly brisk if you just want to plow through. Pokemon wishes it had the pacing of Chrono Trigger, but I'd settle for something more like Final Fantasy 5 when it comes to near-endgame content. That's something Kanto and Unova excelled at (although I'll give props to Hoenn for the Regi- puzzles, they're pretty obscure and neat). Most of Kanto's non-linearity comes at the cost of reducing challenge by skipping something until you're higher level and stagnant levels all around during the midgame. Not as bad as Johto has it but it's noticeable if you look at the long stretches of route after you get the Pokeflute. People underestimate how good pacing can effect a game. EXP share was not the solution to leveling issues, they already solved it with EXP scaling in Gen 5 (although I'd appreciate the option to turn scaling off for postgame grind, especially in Gen 7 where there's actually a mechanically strong reason to grind to level 100). I guess what I'm saying is there's more to making a game feel good to play than just QoL or challenge, it's a balancing act that Game Freak has never quite mastered.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 02:49:28 No.44347852 Report

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>>44347831
>>They were always b-bad!
>>You just grew up, bro!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 02:50:40 No.44347860 Report

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>>44347831
what did he mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 02:53:04 No.44347870 Report

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>>44346881
>Mandatory exp team share
>Mandatory
This is not a positive

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 02:54:44 No.44347878 Report

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>>44347852
>says that
>while ignoring how inept GF were at coding in the early days, breaking one of the new ball effects and also nuking several areas due to being unable to eliminate glitches associated with them from their previous installment
>much less how badly behind the average they ranked with regards to graphics since the outset on top
Seethe

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 03:14:17 No.44347972 Report

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>>44346881
Everything on this list is either false, a negative and not a positive, or something that COULD have been a good idea had it not been executed by the laziest and most inept developers relative to accessible resources in the industry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 03:15:34 No.44347976 Report

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>>44347831
So you didn't grow up, and you're proud of that? Explains a lot, desu.

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