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>>44363468
EV and IV didn't exist so every mon has maxed out stats. That's why most of them has well-rounded stats. Also because Game Freak didn't care about competitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:01:35 No.44363813 Report

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>>44363798
>IV didn't exist
wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:06:07 No.44363858 Report

Quoted By: >>44363929 >>44364015 >>44364441

>>44363468
Instead of treating pokemon like party members they were treated as items meant to be replaced. For example arbok's stats are compareable to a middle stage's while gastrodon which is found around the same time has stats closer to the final stage

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:07:14 No.44363868 Report

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>>44363468
Because it's called Power CREEP, not Power START.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:14:02 No.44363929 Report

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>>44363858
oof

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:16:01 No.44363949 Report

Quoted By: >>44364015 >>44364113

>>44363468
Because it was their first time making an RPG and they didn't understand the system very well yet.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:22:50 No.44364015 Report

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>>44363798
>>44363858
>>44363949
So then why doesn't Game Freak update older Pokemon's stats to be up to the standards of modern Pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:23:29 No.44364023 Report

Quoted By: >>44364029

>>44363468
Why are your IRL stats so shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:24:09 No.44364029 Report

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>>44364023
Because I have autism, please be patient

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:25:58 No.44364048 Report

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>>44364015
>so why doesn’t game freak (do more work)
why are we still expecting this to happen? it’s never going to happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:27:15 No.44364063 Report

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>>44364015
Senpai the Alola dex being as slow as it was should tell you they don’t care

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:27:16 No.44364064 Report

Quoted By: >>44364083 >>44364177 >>44372108

>>44364015
They've been "trying". Every new gen, a handful of Pokemon get between +10 and +40 to their stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:28:26 No.44364082 Report

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>>44364015
They don't like retconning their games, so they do minor stat changes at most. It's a problem that really only they care about, as bad as their insistence on new evolutions only coming about from ways that would be impossible for the new games, but that's just how they be.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:28:29 No.44364083 Report

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>>44364064

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:31:29 No.44364113 Report

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>>44363949
>they didn't understand the stat system they created for an RPG they developed
Are you fucking retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:33:30 No.44364132 Report

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>>44364113
No, but they were

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:33:32 No.44364133 Report

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>>44363798
Do you realize how much of a pain it is to ev train for pikacup and their 15 iv flawless devil alakazam in stadium?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:34:09 No.44364139 Report

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>>44364113
we're talking about GF here that cut crit with focus energy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:37:59 No.44364164 Report

Quoted By: >>44364204 >>44364225 >>44365042

Because they didn't start minmaxing shit for competitive until gen 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:39:58 No.44364176 Report

Quoted By: >>44364203 >>44364212 >>44364306

>>44364139
Programming boosts and battle mechanics is totally different than assigning base stats to a Pokemon, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:40:02 No.44364177 Report

Quoted By: >>44364220

>>44364064
>They buffed the wrong stat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:43:44 No.44364203 Report

Quoted By: >>44364238

>>44364176
They also made the stat that resisted Special attacks the same one that boosted Special attacks. GameFreak didn't know what they were doing.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:43:50 No.44364204 Report

Quoted By: >>44364213

>>44364164
As an example here is Golisopod, a fucking bug pokemon that evolves at level 30. A pokemon that evolves at 30 should have a BST higher than 490, right? This nigger has a bst of 530! Could you imagine if Venomoth was created with a BST of 530, or Ariados with 500?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:44:36 No.44364211 Report

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>>44363468
this must be bait, right? powercreeping is one of the few things that gf has managed to not totally fuck up the series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:44:40 No.44364212 Report

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>>44364176
I know that one is intentional and one is not, but I'm just proving that Gamefreak is incompetent and doesn't care about the game enough to let such big things pass through

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:44:49 No.44364213 Report

Quoted By: >>44364263

>>44364204
>Forgetting how Golisopod's ability is a hindrance to counterbalance it's high stats
Kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:45:46 No.44364220 Report

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>>44364177
>NOOOOOO DISSU POKEMONNU IS NOTTO SUPPOSETU BE A SPECIAR ATTACKER
>cue the crying Wojak Masuda
>Collect (You)s from anons

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:46:47 No.44364225 Report

Quoted By: >>44364263

>>44364164
They've been min/maxing since day 1 retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:48:30 No.44364238 Report

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>>44364203
As a whole, the idea of Special just being a single stat isn't bad, even if it being both offense and defense is broken. The real issue comes in with boosting moves, since you're getting two buffs in one, and that could have been fixed by simply making Special a fixed stat that couldn't be boosted.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:51:29 No.44364263 Report

Quoted By: >>44364335

>>44364225
all the "minmaxed" overpowered mons in gen 1 got gutted in gen 2 like exeggutor and alakazam ands they were only like that because of how spatk and spdef scaled off the same stat

>>44364213
goliso isn't the only example fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:56:25 No.44364306 Report

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>>44364176
Game Freak is equally incompetent at both

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 18:01:51 No.44364335 Report

Quoted By: >>44364418

>>44364263
Alakazam and Gengar are still heavily min/maxed, and still very good. Let's not forget Jolteon, Tauros, Machamp, Golem, Mewtwo, Marowak, or Hitmonlee.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 18:12:55 No.44364418 Report

Quoted By: >>44364425 >>44364525

>>44364335
>machamp
conkledurr is it but mm
>marowak
it's a shitmon without thick club wtf are you smoking
>hitmonlee
mienshao is hitmonlee but mm

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 18:13:58 No.44364425 Report

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>>44364418
>mienshao is hitmonlee but mm
actually sawk but it's still minmaxed as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 18:15:30 No.44364441 Report

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>>44363858
At this point might as well play Shin Megami Tensei where critters are only viable for a while and then you gotta fuse them to make stronger ones.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 18:22:56 No.44364525 Report

Quoted By: >>44364587

>>44364418
Conk and Machamp have practically the same stats, just with some +10/-10 changes. Don't embarrass yourself anymore, kid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 18:29:21 No.44364587 Report

Quoted By: >>44364644

>>44364525
>conk has maxed out hp
>maxed out attack
>maxed defense
>lower spatk
>higher spdef
>broken ability on 140 attack
>has mach and drain punch to use said ability
It's the definition of minmaxed you absolute chimp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 18:37:13 No.44364644 Report

Quoted By: >>44364650 >>44366470

>>44364587
>+15 hp
>+10 attack
>+15 def
>-10 sp atk
>-20 sp def
>-10 speed

Their stat spread is more or less identical. Machamp also has Guts, the primary ability that Conk has. Machamp is also more specially bulky, meaning that isn't shut down by special attackers as easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 18:38:41 No.44364650 Report

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>>44364644
>Their stat spread is more or less identical.
Conk was OU 100% pick for like 3 gens straight and Machamp is trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 19:22:49 No.44365042 Report

Quoted By: >>44371431

>>44364164
*gen IV
Garchomp to this day is still the king when it comes to min maxing
Some dude at GF just really liked that fucking shark

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 21:40:06 No.44366405 Report

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Bump.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 21:45:49 No.44366470 Report

Quoted By: >>44369148

>>44364644
And AV easily mitigates--hell it exceeds Machamp's Sp def advantage. I love both but Conkeldurr has been outclassing Machamp since gen 5. No Guard Dynamic Punch is nerfed to the ground and is no longer as good as it was back then

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 21:57:32 No.44366582 Report

Quoted By: >>44367678

Every gen has a handful of great mons and then a bunch of worthless trash. It was never so pronounced than SM/USUM where outside of legends there was only a few other great mons and then a ton of garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 23:58:02 No.44367674 Report

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>>44363468

powercreep

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 23:58:31 No.44367678 Report

Quoted By: >>44368074

>>44366582
Gen 6 is just as bad, outside of talonflame, greninja and aegis slash non legendary kalos mons were pretty garbage, even the pseudo (flame also became shit after its ability got nerfed)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 00:38:14 No.44368074 Report

Quoted By: >>44371393

>>44367678
>aegis slash
Atrocious spelling, kill yourself and die

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 02:39:42 No.44369148 Report

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>>44366470
Machamp can also run Assault Vest

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Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 09:55:17 No.44371393 Report

Quoted By: >>44372042

>>44368074
>kill yourself and die
As opposed to anon killing himself and not dying?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 10:04:40 No.44371431 Report

Quoted By: >>44373827

>>44365042
chomp isnt minmaxed at all
>>44369148
And conk never does so I don't know why that anon brought it up at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 12:33:51 No.44372042 Report

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>>44371393
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 12:35:34 No.44372051 Report

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Simulationist approach to world-building. They are realistic. Other gens are min-maxed garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 12:46:10 No.44372108 Report

Quoted By: >>44372112

>>44364064
What pokemon is that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 12:47:13 No.44372112 Report

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>>44372108
Nidoking

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Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 12:56:51 No.44372151 Report

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>>44363637
Interesting.. that must be why they all RULE

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Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 16:26:47 No.44373827 Report

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>>44371431
>Bulkier than Swampert
>As strong as Machamp
>Outspeeds Salamence
You can say it was not minmaxed but god damn lots of care was put into those stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 16:33:37 No.44373881 Report

Quoted By: >>44373895

They were designed with special being a single stat. In gen 2 when special defence/attack there were winners and losers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 16:36:13 No.44373895 Report

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>>44373881
>when special defence/attack were separated into separate stats and gen 1 mons had to be adjusted, so there were winners and losers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 18:39:07 No.44374962 Report

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>>44373827
If only this amount of care could be put into every Pokemon's stats...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 18:41:29 No.44374992 Report

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>>44373827
Yes, its stats are optimized. I like using "minmaxed" too but chompe is just optimized

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 19:00:58 No.44375179 Report

Quoted By: >>44379487

In Gen 1 and Gen 2, all stats could have their EVs maxed out, so balanced mixed attackers were actually very playable. Case in point? Surf Tauros in Gen 1 and Lovely Kiss Nidoking in Gen 2.

Gen 3 capped the EV spread, which was a huge nerf to balanced stats. Gen 4 then unplugged the then comatose balanced mons to their quiet death. Now, if you don't have min-maxed stats, you have broken abilities. If you don't have either, you're dookie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 19:02:35 No.44375199 Report

Quoted By: >>44376350

new pokemon should be made to fit the older ones not the other way around, all busted nu-pokemon are actually fakemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 19:03:34 No.44375214 Report

Quoted By: >>44375376

>>44364015
>Implying Game Freak would do massive stat changes to everyone
Yes it sort of happened in XY but that didn't change much (and those changes weren't even that big anyways)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 19:18:58 No.44375376 Report

Quoted By: >>44377652

>>44375214
>Implying Game Freak would do massive stat changes to everyone
They kinda need to desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 21:03:28 No.44376350 Report

Quoted By: >>44377652

>>44375199
Kinda too late, desu. Building Gen 1 mons around modernmons is no different from doing the opposite

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jul 2020 23:19:04 No.44377652 Report

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>>44375376
>>44376350
desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 03:14:08 No.44379487 Report

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>>44375179
Better question, why did Gen 3 mons have such shitty stats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 03:22:02 No.44379542 Report

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>>44363468
Because funny hyper beam go brrrrrrrrrrr regardless of stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 03:24:27 No.44379556 Report

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Because they balance out good designs with shitty stats. It explains Gen 1 and Gen 5. Good designs get shit stats, shit designs get good stats,

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