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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:11:49 No.44433817 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>44433975 >>44434041 >>44434127 >>44435780

>one of the central themes of this franchise is "evolution"
>more than 20 years and this franchise still refuses to grow and evolve
Oh, the irony...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:14:54 No.44433853 Report

Quoted By: >>44434109 >>44435531 >>44435566

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:25:14 No.44433975 Report

Quoted By: >>44434144 >>44435560

>>44433817
Pokemon has grown and evolved. It's grown into the biggest franchise in the world and people constantly complain about what what it's evolved into.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:30:01 No.44434029 Report

Quoted By: >>44434437

>criticizng the current state of Pokemon
uh oh here it comes, I can hear him typing furiously and selecting a wojak bait image as we speak

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:31:23 No.44434041 Report

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>>44433817
Pokemon (de)evolved from RPG about collecting and training pokemon to be a champion into a series about sucking charizard and pikachu dick all the time to sell plushies

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:34:48 No.44434077 Report

Quoted By: >>44434411 >>44434433

no competition, digimon and yw did it and failed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:37:37 No.44434109 Report

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>>44433853
They need to make Trainer levels a thing. After your first badge you can rock climb after your second you swim etc just ways to explore and be able to backtrack and find new area to catch strong rare Pokemon

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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:39:13 No.44434127 Report

Quoted By: >>44434151 >>44434175 >>44434180

>>44433817
> GameFreak introduces Dynamaz
> Smogon bans it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:40:24 No.44434144 Report

Quoted By: >>44434171 >>44434192 >>44434221 >>44434240 >>44434451 >>44434736

>>44433975
I think the main reason people complain is because being the biggest franchise in the world should by all means mean their standard of quality should rise.
but nope
>the graphics are still mediocre
>the plot is still super barebones
>the gameplay is exactly the same
>the map design has gotten even more bland and lazy
>the animations are still recycled
>interesting and useful features are still being kept oneoff for the sake of """uniqueness"""
Other much smaller series have managed so much more in far less time so I don't see what Gamefreak's excuse is, let alone why people are so adamant about defending everything about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:40:58 No.44434151 Report

Quoted By: >>44434174

>>44434127
>dynamax
>evolution
*honk honk*

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:42:36 No.44434171 Report

Quoted By: >>44434344 >>44435101

>>44434144
It has so much potential but my faith is waning

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:42:43 No.44434174 Report

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>>44434151
hey anon we've had "it just gets bigger" evolutions since poliwrath

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:42:44 No.44434175 Report

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>>44434127
You posted trAsh, so your opinion is worthless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:42:54 No.44434180 Report

Quoted By: >>44434344

>>44434127
>Masuda said Dynamax is just a fake projection and not actual evolution
OH NO NO NO NO NO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:44:01 No.44434192 Report

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>>44434144
people complain and still buy it or they are minority

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:46:22 No.44434221 Report

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>>44434144
>let alone why people are so adamant about defending everything about it.
1. sunk cost fallacy in a franchise
2. low standards
3. the most ardent defenders, i.e. twitter, fell for game journalist propaganda and so think any time gamers criticize a gaming company for shitty games or shitty practices, they must just be some alt-right incel nazi scum who's just mad about women or something, so the game company is great

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:48:00 No.44434240 Report

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>>44434144
>why people are so adamant about defending everything about it
All pride, they can't accept that something they like is bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 22:58:46 No.44434344 Report

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>>44434180
Where was this? Genuinely curious.

>>44434171
Different anon but for me SwSh was the last straw. Didn't help that I was beyond hyped for a UK region, and it's enormous wasted potential I won't ever buy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:04:53 No.44434411 Report

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>>44434077
>digimon and yw did it
Neither of those attempted to complete with Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:06:27 No.44434433 Report

Quoted By: >>44434669

>>44434077
>digimon and yw did it
Neither of those attempted to compete with Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:06:50 No.44434437 Report

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>>44434029
>current

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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:08:09 No.44434451 Report

Quoted By: >>44434503 >>44434571

>>44434144
>>the graphics are still mediocre
>>the plot is still super barebones
>>the gameplay is exactly the same
>>the map design has gotten even more bland and lazy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:13:42 No.44434503 Report

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>>44434451
Sun/Moon did cut some corners but nothing like SwSh has. It also had decent human characters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:16:44 No.44434526 Report

Quoted By: >>44434590 >>44434684

Friendly reminder to all, to Game Freak the kids are the most important audience when making a game. The desires of adults will be considered where it doesn't interfere with their aims of catering to primary audience (open world, free camera, QoL upgrades) but anyone still thinking Pokemon will suddenly implement difficulty options, more grown-up game tropes or in general give a fuck for them while there's still kids to sell this shit to is delusional. It doesn't matter what you do, because the casual/kiddy audience is far too great for you to be anything more than a bump in the road. It also doesn't matter what you THINK Pokémon should be, when it's already cemented itself as the biggest children's multimedia franchise on the planet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:21:48 No.44434571 Report

Quoted By: >>44434597

>>44434451
Sun and Moon did it for sure, and I didn't like it then either. But Sword and Shield doubled down on it, and Gen 9 is unlikely to be much different in that regard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:23:07 No.44434590 Report

Quoted By: >>44435273

>>44434526
im sure kids would love to have secret bases and pokeathalon back, among the myriad of other features they cut

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:23:43 No.44434597 Report

Quoted By: >>44434617

>>44434571
>Sun and Moon did it for sure,
Nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:26:03 No.44434617 Report

Quoted By: >>44434634

>>44434597
It tried to step out of the comfort zone more than any other Pokemon game, but the same fundamental issues were all there.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:27:40 No.44434634 Report

Quoted By: >>44434659 >>44434664

>>44434617
Nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:29:27 No.44434659 Report

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>>44434634
at least you didn't use a wojak image this time, yawnfag
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/search/image/dpMi5UHqL5KWIkiUc0BD9A/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:29:51 No.44434664 Report

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>>44434634
Oh yeah, the map design for sure looks nice on paper until you account for all of the roadblocks and cutscenes that fuck with the flow of the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:30:14 No.44434669 Report

Quoted By: >>44434737

>>44434433
they grew and evolve and failed especially yw

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:31:16 No.44434684 Report

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>>44434526
not only kids but normies and casual, the pokemon go audience

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:35:53 No.44434736 Report

Quoted By: >>44434835 >>44434920

>>44434144
the thing that gets me especially frustrated is when the only defense is saying "kid's game" over and over and calling you a manchild for having any standard whatsoever
no shit kids can play it but what's so wrong with wanting it to have more to it when they constantly claim they make pokemon games for longtime fans as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:35:53 No.44434737 Report

Quoted By: >>44434771

>>44434669
They never attempted to compete with Pokemon, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:38:40 No.44434771 Report

Quoted By: >>44434938

>>44434737
but TPC saw yw like a competitor in japan, look gen 7

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:43:26 No.44434835 Report

Quoted By: >>44435048

>>44434736
Don't you see anon?
Criticizing a game is the act of a manchild, but constantly worshipping and defending said game while shutting down all criticism toward it is definitely not manchild behavior

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:51:31 No.44434920 Report

Quoted By: >>44434959

>>44434736
I agree. Kids aren't complete idiots either, they like a bit of a challenge too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:53:30 No.44434938 Report

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>>44434771
>but TPC saw yw like a competitor in japan
Irrelevant headcanon. Either way, neither of those franchises were attempting to “compete” with Pokemon. This necessity to force some “rivalry” between Pokemon and any other monster catching franchise is primarily done by westerners.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:55:54 No.44434959 Report

Quoted By: >>44434975

>>44434920
it's insane that a lot of the most popular games for kids out there and especially the ones that became big internet phenomenons are games that either don't handhold the player at all or have a lot of hidden depth to them and yet somehow pokemon having those things is bad because kids game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:56:56 No.44434975 Report

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>>44434959
>most popular games for kids
meant to say with kids

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:03:22 No.44435048 Report

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>>44434835
i feel like the idea behind that train of thought is the idea that having a positive opinion makes them feel more mature, like they're the bigger person because they're satisfied and like thing. alternatively, for when it's on 4chan, fishing for (You)s

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:08:05 No.44435101 Report

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>>44434171
>my faith is waning
The fact you still have any left after all this tells me you're fucking hopeless. Consume the next game like I know you will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:23:34 No.44435273 Report

Quoted By: >>44435294 >>44435490

>>44434590
Or they'd find them underwhelming, given they're kids of 2020 and not 2003. Fibre vs dial-up, you know? It's why kids stopped playing with barrel hoops and sticks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:25:42 No.44435294 Report

Quoted By: >>44435367

>>44435273
you're right. customizable homes and sporting event minigames you partake in with your own pokemon are boring
curry making and changing the color of your tent are high quality additions that kids are raving over

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:33:20 No.44435367 Report

Quoted By: >>44435426 >>44435460

>>44435294
Seeing as they focus-test these games with the child audience, there's obviously something they're not doing tht you did. Again, maybe it's the fact they're growing up in today's world with ubiquitious internet and entertainment at their fingertips, while you were in the great technological dark ages as far as they're concerned?
But then again, you'd rather cry the games you played as a kid aren't being made for you alone any more, instead of moving on and finding something more to your tastes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:38:30 No.44435426 Report

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>>44435367
so you admit that you're underage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:41:59 No.44435460 Report

Quoted By: >>44435524

>>44435367
>if you liked these missing features its because you didn't have the internet not because these features were actually fleshed out or interesting
>the features are gone because kids didn't care about them as much as curry not because gamefreak simply doesn't want to add them or wants each game to be """unique"" like they have explicitly stated they do
Is this really the level of intelligence you have stooped to?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:45:35 No.44435490 Report

Quoted By: >>44435524

>>44435273
>kids of 2020 and not 2003
Fuck off, seriously

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:49:47 No.44435524 Report

Quoted By: >>44435546 >>44435573

>>44435460
>>44435490
Younger kids aren't getting the experiences we had to begin with, either. I met a kid whose first game was ORAS. At first I just thought "well that makes sense" but then I realised all the things he missed out on. At least ORAS bothered to include the secret bases again, but still.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:50:48 No.44435531 Report

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>>44433853
thats wrong though Yakuza series is incredibly popular and the maps are tiny as shit. What Gamefreak lacks is ambition and soul and nothing will ever change that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:51:56 No.44435546 Report

Quoted By: >>44435571

>>44435524
>I met a kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:53:42 No.44435560 Report

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>>44433975
The FRANCHISE has grown (TCG, Anime, mobile, merch)

The GAMES are stagnant and boring and nothing has changed, even when they tried changing things with Gen 7 it was still the same shit with a different coat of paint.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:54:19 No.44435566 Report

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>>44433853
I love it when some tard makes a multiple paragraph post and other tards post it all the time thinking what he's saying is smart because it's long or whatever

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:54:51 No.44435571 Report

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>>44435546
Yeah, yeah, I know that sounds dodgy out of context. At the risk of sounding like a complete nerd, my tabletop game table has a mix of different ages playing. One kid and his dad are both in the party. None of that weird stuff, I fucking swear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:55:11 No.44435573 Report

Quoted By: >>44435582

>>44435524
You'd really think Gamefreak would add Secret Bases to newer games to bank on the fact that both Animal Crossing and Minecraft are both popular among kids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:56:58 No.44435582 Report

Quoted By: >>44435593

>>44435573
That and having your pokemon following you, since everyone has a personal favourite. But then we had really cute overworld sprites. Now it's the same models sine gen 6 so it probably wouldn't look as good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 00:58:39 No.44435593 Report

Quoted By: >>44435624

>>44435582
>Now it's the same models sine gen 6 so it probably wouldn't look as good.
The new swsh dlc lets you have your pokemon follow you on the island

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 01:02:13 No.44435624 Report

Quoted By: >>44435748

>>44435593
I've seen some of that, it looks pretty clunky and they lag behind you. Also it's only for that island, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 01:17:33 No.44435748 Report

Quoted By: >>44435759 >>44435775

>>44435624
Yeah they're it's only available on the island and they're pretty slow, only the fastest of pokemon like Excadrill can keep up with you and that's only when you're running and not on your bike.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 01:19:52 No.44435759 Report

Quoted By: >>44435770

>>44435748
That sucks, it's like that's tossing us some scraps instead of doing it properly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 01:21:20 No.44435770 Report

Quoted By: >>44435847

>>44435759
I like it desu. It makes each pokemon feel more unique and lifelike instead of an obvious bot following you around

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 01:21:59 No.44435775 Report

Quoted By: >>44435847

>>44435748
>nononono you don't understand in order to make it immersive you have to walk around the giant island as slowly as possible you can't complain about the pokemon constantly teleporting to catch up with you if you aren't going to go out of your way to keep them from teleporting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 01:22:43 No.44435780 Report

Quoted By: >>44435886

>>44433817
It's like a frog regressing from an adult right back to an unfertilized egg in a frog womb, completely skipping the tadpole stage (gen VI). Gen VII came along and suddenly we were nothing but a sterile splat of semen compared to the adult frog that was gens I-V

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 01:30:41 No.44435847 Report

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>>44435775
When I saw the greentext I got worried for a second, guess I'm always expecting the worse when I get a reply.

>>44435770
>more unique
>lifelike
Right, that's what they were going for. Of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 01:35:04 No.44435886 Report

Quoted By: >>44435895

>>44435780
Gen 6 and 7 were good though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 01:35:56 No.44435895 Report

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>>44435886
Not that anon but I liked 7. 6 sucked for me aside from the amie minigames.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 02:37:44 No.44436432 Report

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I hope Genius Sonority makes a completely new monster catching game like what Obsidian Entertainment did with The Outer Worlds.

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