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Routes discussion thread I guess?

Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 14:51:54 No.44507901 View View Reply Original Report

Is there any lore for this route? I mean, humans went there and decided to lay down random fences.

INB4 hardware limitations.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 15:04:13 No.44507969 Report

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So the way that I always interpretted this route is like the Marginal Way near Oguinquit, Maine. Imagine a well manicured footpath that skirts the ocean overlooking a rocky shore. the fences are there to keep people either from getting into dangerous areas, or to keep them from messing up the topiary work. It feels woodsy and natural yet is right on the perimeter of the sea. It's very cozy and soulful.

Here's a video walk through of the area. Skip to about 7 minutes in to get a feel for what I'm talking about. If Kanto were to be properly remade in a modern engine I imagine this area looking almost exactly like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRL1IhbVF4

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 15:17:14 No.44508041 Report

Quoted By: >>44508278 >>44508537 >>44508653 >>44509777 >>44511692

Here's one: how about Route 25?

the Cerulean City area in general always kind of confused me. Since it comes out of Mt. Moon and connects to the Rock Tunnel I always go the sense that it's in a mountainous area, but (due to area design limited by hardware) it's got no sense of verticalty. There's this bridge that connects Cerulean to Route 25, but it's both a man-made bridge and a land bridge, so I'm confused at its purpose, and it connects to this strip of land opposite what I think is supposed to be a lake (maybe a crater lake?). the route itself has what seems intended to be a hedge maze leading to Bill's cottage, but I was never able to fully grok what it would feel like in real world geography. Any ideas/interpretations?

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 15:45:44 No.44508234 Report

Quoted By: >>44508537

>>44507901
this route was always one of the comfiest to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 15:52:17 No.44508278 Report

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>>44508041
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Bill invent the PC and is probably loaded so he owns a nice little spot by the lake(?)

Also has his own little path way to the town to avoid the rabble that hangs out around his home.

Maybe?

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 16:03:57 No.44508373 Report

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Based thread.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 16:23:24 No.44508537 Report

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>>44507969
That's a cool interpretation for a rework!
I was thinking about putting some flowers/plants surrounded by fences to make it look like an artificial garden.

>>44508234
For me it's kinda the opposite, I always saw this route as "ugh another maze filled with trainers", but that's just my opinion.

>>44508041
That's probably an ocean if you see the full Kanto map. The bridge could be "justified" by adding more stuff to do at the end of the route, for example making part of the ocean accessible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 16:36:28 No.44508653 Report

Quoted By: >>44508728

>>44508041
Route 25 is supposed to be a cape, but for some reason Game Freak extended the northern rocky wall off-screen, making it look more like a bay, if anything.
Older artwork with more abstract maps of the region just ignore it and portray the route as a cape extending more to the northeast than the game.
Modern game accurate maps like Lets Go's just covers up the rest of the wall and implies the cape extends further than you can explore, meaning you're only traveling across the inner southern cliff side of the full cape.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 16:46:34 No.44508728 Report

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>>44508653
ah, gotcha, I think that makes sense. I was picturing something like Lake Tahoe in the mountains, where it's fed by waterfalls from higher up in the Mt. Moon range. My envisioning of Route 25 is a mountain path that gradually rises in elevation until you reach an outcropping overlooking the lake and Cerulean city where bill built his cottage.

Derived from this, I saw the little bit of water that goes from Route 24 down to Route 4 as like a canyon with a river in at its floor that disappears into a subterranean channel under mt. moon.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 16:50:21 No.44508758 Report

Quoted By: >>44508780 >>44508890 >>44511692

How about Route 8? It's just a simple road between Lavender and Saffron, what would make it special?

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 16:53:05 No.44508780 Report

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>>44508758
it's full of bikers and gamblers so I guess it's dangerous for most people who'd like to go on the cementary

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 17:06:53 No.44508890 Report

Quoted By: >>44509136

>>44508758
What about Route 7? Celodan and Saffron would the same city, if it had just one house on it.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 17:35:14 No.44509136 Report

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>>44508890
Hmmm, maybe they used to be one city but were split into two for municipal reasons when one or both got too big. Route 7 could be a small nature reserve meant both to divide the two and maintain the region's balance of nature-to-infrastructure. Think of it like a giant deer crossing; without it, Pokemon wouldn't be able to navigate between north and south kanto without having to maneuver all the way around the Saffron/Celadon metro area.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 18:58:20 No.44509777 Report

Quoted By: >>44509878

>>44508041
>Cerulean City comes out of Mt. Moon and connects to the Rock Tunnel I always go the sense that it's in a mountainous area

You know, I honestly never really noticed that until now
Looking at official map artwork of Kanto it seems to be at a similar altitude as Pewter City, which is a bit odd considering how much water is in that area

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 19:11:37 No.44509878 Report

Quoted By: >>44510067 >>44510203

>>44509777
The overall topography of Kanto is hard to determine conclusively because even LGPE just recreates the Gen1 maps which give no real sense of vertically or geography, but based on the fact that the ocean is towards the south and the northern region includes a mountain range and a plateau that, generally speaking, Kanto's elevation declines the further south one progresses. So one would think Cerulean City resides in the mountains, which would lend credence to the idea of it being a crater lake. Which is a very cool setting actually. I'm picturing a crescent shaped lake in the mountains that curves around the city itself, with a huge wall of waterfalls feeding into it; hence why Misty gives you the Cascade badge. Then when you're fighting the trainers along Route 25 you're doing so along this grassy ridge with the cascades in the background. SOUL.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 19:15:35 No.44509910 Report

Quoted By: >>44509977 >>44510363 >>44511692

Why does kanto have Pokemon Centers outside of cities? There's one on Route 3 too

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 19:22:20 No.44509977 Report

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>>44509910
Consider them outside the normal Pokemon Center system. These are more like rest houses for travelers like you'd see at the foot of mountains, seeing as both of them are situated near caves.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 19:33:07 No.44510067 Report

Quoted By: >>44510203 >>44510820

>>44509878
Not sure about that. the original Kanto Map shows that, indeed, Cerulean is beetween mountains, but seem more like the city is constructed on several elevated platforms. Bill's Lab is on a cape, tho

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 19:35:26 No.44510096 Report

Quoted By: >>44510203

Here's another map depicting Ceruelan / Hanada elevated on platforms

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 19:49:11 No.44510203 Report

Quoted By: >>44510258 >>44511692

>>44509878
>>44510067
>>44510096
The games do a bad job of showing it, to the point where you can't even really imagine it, but it seems like Cerulean really has something like pic related going on.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 19:57:53 No.44510258 Report

Quoted By: >>44511026

>>44510203
so almost like terraced rice patties then?

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 20:11:22 No.44510363 Report

Quoted By: >>44511026 >>44511519 >>44511558 >>44511593

>>44509910
also why does kanto have so many guard checkpoints, i dont there is a single one in hoenn

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 21:06:19 No.44510820 Report

Quoted By: >>44510975

>>44510067
What I would do to get a high resolution pic of this map... It's nowhere on the internet

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 21:23:59 No.44510975 Report

Quoted By: >>44511138

>>44510820
google image search

https://archive-media-0.nyafuu.org/vp/image/1589/69/1589699287086.png

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 21:30:15 No.44511026 Report

Quoted By: >>44511123

>>44510258
I had to Google that, but yeah, exactly like that.

>>44510363
The gate houses function as loading zones. You could blame it on hardware in Gen I and II, but Hoenn's only gates are the two entrances to Cycling Road, so I'm not sure why it was necessary for FRLG to have them as well... and every game since. I don't know much about programming, maybe someone smarter will pop by with an answer. My only idea is that rather than program three different maps for say Saffron City, one before Team Rocket, one during their takeover, and one after they're gone, they use the gates as a way to be lazy.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 21:37:55 No.44511091 Report

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This is a good thread.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 21:41:06 No.44511123 Report

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>>44511026
FRLG had them because RBY had them.
DPPt and every game afterwards had them because they switched to a new engine and couldn't do the seamless loading Gen 3 did, so they had to disguise loading with gates again.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 21:43:13 No.44511138 Report

Quoted By: >>44511146

>>44510975
That's barely an improvement, and definitely not high resolution.

I've managed to track this map art to The Official Pokemon Handbook, from Maria S Barbo. Seems like the only way would be for me to get the book and scan it.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 21:44:23 No.44511146 Report

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>>44511138
pic related, the map in that book

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 21:55:15 No.44511228 Report

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The badge check part before victory road always felt weird to me. It's so big and useless. It get that it'S supposed to be "epic" bit it just seemed too disorganised to really mean anything.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 22:20:35 No.44511394 Report

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>>44507901
What's up with the mazelike docks/piers that are a little northeast of here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 22:38:58 No.44511519 Report

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>>44510363
to give guards the chance to arbitrarily block your progress whenever they get thirsty

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 22:43:57 No.44511558 Report

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>>44510363
Team Rocket is a much bigger problem in Kanto than Aqua/Magma in Hoenn. Rockets would regularly attack/kidnap/steal from the average person whereas Magma/Aqua only bothered with things that were directly related to their plans.

I think there are also more sketchy people (biker gangs, gamblers, sailors etc...) in Kanto than Hoenn so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that crime rates were higher.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 22:46:40 No.44511593 Report

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>>44510363
They're all toll booths set up by the corrupt government (the one that lets Rocket's activity slide) to extort the citizens trying to travel around

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 22:52:40 No.44511630 Report

Quoted By: >>44511799

>inb4 the stupid volcano ash spinda route

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 23:02:24 No.44511692 Report

Quoted By: >>44511780 >>44511797

>>44508758
>>44509910
Basically every depiction of kanto has done very little to change it, but I always figured places like route 9 and western route 4 were meant to simulate climbing up a mountain and places like southern route 10 and eastern route 4 were meant to simulate the descent down a mountain. The games have all done a really poor job showing vertical area despite hoenn showing that even on the GBA they were perfectly able to show a more accurate mountain environment
>>44510203
Basically like this
>>44508041
I've always Pictured it as a bridge over a river on the edge of a mountain, then leads eastward into a tree maze before you exit the tree maze into a heightened valley on a cape that overlooks the ocean. The games are just shit at showing this

Based thread btw, I actually think about this topic quite frequently, especially with kanto

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 23:14:08 No.44511780 Report

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>>44511692
That's why I get the appeal of a BOTW-esque open world game. Can you imagine setting out of Pallet Town and seeing the Cinnabar Volcano in the distant sea? Or seeing that you must head towards Viridan Forest, with the Pewter City mountains as a backdrop?

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 23:17:43 No.44511797 Report

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>>44511692
I'm really sad that Kanto Roads is never going to be finished, the dev had some good ideas, although he also had a terminal case of putting random tall grass everywhere. But it proved that Kanto can be improved just within the boundaries of Gen3 graphics; if I had unlimited time I'd definitely do that.

>I've always Pictured it as a bridge over a river on the edge of a mountain, then leads eastward into a tree maze before you exit the tree maze into a heightened valley on a cape that overlooks the ocean. The games are just shit at showing this
That's pretty much how I was envisioning it, except as a lake instead of a river. But that's because I assumed that the water by Cerulean city was completely enclosed rather than being open to the sea. Knowing that's more the case helps refine my perspective on things.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 23:18:32 No.44511799 Report

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>>44511630
>nooo you cant like good routes!

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