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Updated USUM OU VR

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 16:11:59 No.44517202 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>44517478 >>44517498 >>44517902 >>44517997 >>44518041 >>44518605

A while ago the gen 7 OU VR got updated. A notable change is that there’s no C rank, it’s just C+ and C-. Another change is that they seem to rank the Pokémon by viability in the subranks instead of just listing them alphabetically, meaning that Toxapex is pretty much the best Pokémon in gen 7 OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 16:12:35 No.44517209 Report

Quoted By: >>44518141

Shit, I forgot the link
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usum-ou-viability-rankings.3667522/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 16:46:48 No.44517478 Report

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>>44517202
>it's another Smogon forces the meta to make pex to be the highest viable Mon """ranking""""

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 16:46:51 No.44517479 Report

Quoted By: >>44517707 >>44517788

Tox, Ash-Grenigger, and Magearna should have all been sent to ubers a long ass time age, but the gen 7 ou council is a bunch of faggots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 16:49:12 No.44517498 Report

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>>44517202
>S rank
>3 legendaries and Tox

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 17:12:31 No.44517707 Report

Quoted By: >>44517747 >>44521846

>>44517479
They fell for the “let the meta settle” meme and now it’s a fucking shitshow

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 17:17:16 No.44517747 Report

Quoted By: >>44517788

>>44517707
It ended up great though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 17:21:31 No.44517788 Report

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>>44517479
100% agree, they all need suspect tests. So fucking dumb that absolutely nothing happened to the tier after the Zygarde ban (which was good, not complaining about the ban itself).

>>44517747
Gen 7 could be a lot better if they addressed problematic presences. Not saying every good Pokemon needs to be banned but it's pretty clear shit like Magearna has been questionable for a longer time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 17:35:02 No.44517902 Report

Quoted By: >>44517937 >>44520442

>>44517202
Why is Gren so low? Are assvest Mag and Toxa that much of an issue?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 17:41:39 No.44517937 Report

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>>44517902
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 17:52:33 No.44517997 Report

Quoted By: >>44518304

>>44517202
Don't they usually put a reasoning section for which pokemon moved in a given slate and why pokemon move up and down? I don't really get what changed without an explanation, top500 ladder is pretty much the same and I don't follow the tourney scene closely enough to get if/how the meta is shifting.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 17:57:45 No.44518041 Report

Quoted By: >>44518076 >>44518140 >>44520579

>>44517202
I haven't touched gen 8 at all and still play gen 7 OU.
>Mega-Latias is A+
Sure it's an annoyingly bulky shit, but it's easily outclassed by every other mon in A+ and imo even by Mega-Scizor.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 18:00:17 No.44518060 Report

Quoted By: >>44518134

Full rankings >>44254920

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 18:02:08 No.44518076 Report

Quoted By: >>44520579

>>44518041
If I had to guess, mega latias is A+ because it checks heatran and threatens pex

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 18:09:23 No.44518134 Report

Quoted By: >>44518448

>>44518060
How did seis get to B-? I never ever see this thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 18:10:17 No.44518140 Report

Quoted By: >>44518182 >>44520579

>>44518041
Mega Latias is stupid and can cheese past typical psychic answers like Celesteela and Magearna by just clicking Calm Mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 18:10:18 No.44518141 Report

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>>44517209
>Kommo-O in A-
Proud of my boy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 18:14:43 No.44518182 Report

Quoted By: >>44518255

>>44518140
Ah yeah now I see, it's a balance breaker. Maybe that's why I never have problems with it because bulkyoffense is the best playstyle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 18:24:02 No.44518255 Report

Quoted By: >>44518301

>>44518182
AV Magearna is on pretty much every BO core though.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 18:30:21 No.44518301 Report

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>>44518255
>Volt Switch out
>Mawile kills with Play Rough

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 18:30:40 No.44518304 Report

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>>44517997
This usually happens when they make a new thread for the VR. If you want any specific answers on certain changes you’d have to ask them yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 18:50:39 No.44518448 Report

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>>44518134
Basically Gastrodon but can use Rocks, Knock Off, or Refresh and the Water immunity heals instead of just raising special attack. It also outspeeds and actually gets the 2HKO on AV Magearna

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 19:13:28 No.44518605 Report

Quoted By: >>44518676

>>44517202
I don't agree with the Trick Room Pokemon like Cresselia being unranked. I get that TR in singles will always kind of be a meme but if there's a tier where it's sort of viable it's gen 7 OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 19:21:44 No.44518676 Report

Quoted By: >>44518702

>>44518605
Trick Room is Cresselia's only niche though. There are also many other trick room users/abusers which are ranked, with one of them being S rank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 19:25:45 No.44518702 Report

Quoted By: >>44518745

>>44518676
Dedicated Trick Room teams need full support setters like Cresselia, Uxie or Bronzong. You can't just run offensive abusers like Magearna or Stakataka. Basically all the TR Pokemon like Marowak got unranked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 19:32:09 No.44518745 Report

Quoted By: >>44518771

>>44518702
>Dedicated Trick Room teams need full support setters like Cresselia
Obviously, It's just that trick room is probably the most match-up reliant archetype there is and therefore it's bad. Hell, any team that auto-loses to stall is bad. I'd rather use regular hyper offense at that point.
>You can't just run offensive abusers like Magearna or Stakataka.
But that's kind of the point, those mons can run trick room on non-TR teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 19:35:47 No.44518771 Report

Quoted By: >>44518874 >>44519994

>>44518745
All that shit in the bottom ranks is "meme" stuff that's not super reliable or matchup dependant. I've laddered with TR to the top of the ladder a couple of months ago and thought it did fine. Granted, the ladder obviously isn't comparable to tournament games but still.

I think it at least deserves an honorary mention if stuff like Ninetales-Alola or Mega Pinsir is ranked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 19:50:30 No.44518874 Report

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>>44518771
Let's compare C- to the prominent trick room setters
>Alomomola
wish support+regen
>Krookodile
intimidate, STAB knock off/pursuit
>Mega Slowbro
can be a pain in the ass in the late game
>Mega Pinsir
SD + quick attack, honestly almost like a discount Hawlucha
>Azumarill
Belly Drum, Huge Power, priority or perish trap memes
>Ninetales
Aurora Veil, even though it's bad as rain is still everywhere and TTar sees some decent usage

So yeah those mons can actually fit on more teams than, say, Cresselia. It doesn't help that they're all weak to dark either.
I actually enjoy memes myself, I used a gravity team on the mid ladder and it was fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 22:16:10 No.44519994 Report

Quoted By: >>44520387

>>44518771
Honestly TR is probably better on tourneys than ladder. Because you can just bring it to CT someone who generally brings stuff weak to it one game and then not bother with it again. Meanwhile ladder will have a larger and more diverse sample size of teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 23:00:22 No.44520387 Report

Quoted By: >>44521840

>>44519994
People bringing random bullshit for a single tournament game and then winning convincingly is hilarious.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen7ou-495582

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 23:06:40 No.44520442 Report

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>>44517902
>A+ rank
>low
don't let that fool you, the entire tier still revolves around Ash-Greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Aug 2020 23:25:03 No.44520579 Report

Quoted By: >>44521651

>>44518041
>>44518076
>>44518140
M-Latias is a big thing on fat balance builds, gives you a wincon and a good answer to mons like SD Gliscor that are otherwise very annoying for those teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 01:17:02 No.44521651 Report

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>>44520579
Also a potential defogger that not only is immune to grounded hazards but also isn't weak to SR.

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Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 01:39:35 No.44521840 Report

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>>44520387
>engaging in a CM-war when you have several checks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 01:40:08 No.44521846 Report

Quoted By: >>44521882

>>44517707

People will bitch either way. If they banned things early on the braindead camp would say Smogon bans everything!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 01:45:24 No.44521882 Report

Quoted By: >>44521925 >>44521963 >>44524213

>>44521846
Most of those people are shitters who don't play so why even listen to them? OU council needs to stop pretending it's some kind of global brand that needs to appeal to everyone for the sake of their image or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 01:50:11 No.44521925 Report

Quoted By: >>44521937

>>44521882
tbf it’s kind of hard to grow and maintain a playerbase when potential new players get discouraged by shitters whining about them liking stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 01:52:36 No.44521937 Report

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>>44521925
People are already doing this right now so what's the difference? There's people still crying about the Dracovish ban. At least cater to the playerbase you already have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 01:55:27 No.44521963 Report

Quoted By: >>44522027

>>44521882
I only cared enough about Zygarde and I voted for it to be banned.
>Dugtrio
cancer
>Zygarde
Just play the lottery m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 02:04:30 No.44522027 Report

Quoted By: >>44522065

>>44521963
Zygarde is definitely cancer and had to go. The fact that it took until late 2018 to get suspected is pretty much the point of the discussion. They need to stop worrying about the twitter faggots who will tweet that evil Smogon is banning everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 02:11:09 No.44522065 Report

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>>44522027
>Zygarde is definitely cancer and had to go.
The worst core was Zygarde with Serperior, just paralyzing everything. Hell there were even meme teams that had t-wave Clef as well. Fun fun fun.

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Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 07:41:46 No.44524156 Report

Quoted By: >>44524190 >>44524464

>want to test a team
>run into stallfags three times in a row

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 07:47:39 No.44524190 Report

Quoted By: >>44524204 >>44524216

>>44524156
Assuming this just happened, these are peak stallfag hours right now.
They love playing at the dead of night, American time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 07:51:30 No.44524204 Report

Quoted By: >>44524283

>>44524190
I also ran into a stall guy at night a couple nights ago like 3 matches in, 1200s.
I wonder why they do this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 07:57:07 No.44524213 Report

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>>44521882
>OU council needs to stop pretending it's some kind of global brand that needs to appeal to everyone for the sake of their image or something.

That's exactly what Smogon is these days. There is immense pressure to not ban new toys even if those new toys are fucktarded.
Gen VIII council has played it well with three suspects and two quickbans, the complaints come across as seething retards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 07:58:17 No.44524216 Report

Quoted By: >>44524493 >>44525998

>>44524190
It's weird how there are still stallfags left in gen 7. Most offense teams have at least one decent stallbreaker but as it turns out, the one I built 3 hours ago doesn't. Back to the drawing board.

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Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 08:12:23 No.44524283 Report

Quoted By: >>44525870

>>44524204
>stallfags at 1200
I don't know how you can run the most braindead playstyle next to hyper offense and still be a low ladder shitter. At that point it takes effort to be that bad.
>I wonder why they do this
Easy points from forfeits because many people just click x on stall even if they could easily win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 08:46:55 No.44524464 Report

Quoted By: >>44524493

>>44524156
Good opportunity to test your team's matchup into stall, I suppose

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 08:52:58 No.44524493 Report

Quoted By: >>44524657

>>44524464
see >>44524216
It's a meme still in progress. I used a z-Xurkitree team in late 2018 to some success on the mid-ladder, but my old laptop died the heat death, so I don't have it anymore.

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Gravity
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Explosion

Alakazam @ Alakazite
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Recover
- Taunt

Kommo-o @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 244 HP / 36 Def / 156 SpD / 72 Spe
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Close Combat
- Protect
- Toxic

Xurkitree @ Psychium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hypnosis
- Tail Glow
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Def / 20 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Recover
- Ice Beam
- Foul Play
- Gravity

Greninja @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Protean
EVs: 176 Atk / 80 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Ice Beam
- U-turn
- Rock Slide
- Gunk Shot

This is a different take because I remember having scarf Latios with memento, scarf Lele and sash Excadrill
Zam put in more work than Xurkitree in like 3 out of 4 games. I guess 100% accurate focus blast is pretty good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 09:37:07 No.44524657 Report

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>>44524493
Now that I think of it, terrain expender Lele makes more sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 14:11:22 No.44525870 Report

Quoted By: >>44526032

>>44524283
Mid-ladder stall players are actually the biggest retards ever. They all play like bots and make the exact same plays every single time. Even random mexicans at the bottom of the ladder can be more of a challenge because at least they make random plays and have non-sensical sets nobody expects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 14:34:18 No.44525998 Report

Quoted By:

>>44524216
Chinks love stall. Thats So many are found playing dead of night USA time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 14:41:54 No.44526032 Report

Quoted By:

>>44525870
True but sometimes safeplays is all they need to win. They probably farm wins off those aforementioned Mexicans who have no hope of breaking their team and many of whom literally dont switch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Aug 2020 18:07:55 No.44527418 Report

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Regenerator spam teams like this give me cancer:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen7ou-514167

Even the other guy has Toxapex. Biggest bullshit ability ever.

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