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National Dex UU

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 16:27:56 No.44546428 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>44548831 >>44549792 >>44550436 >>44555178 >>44562873 >>44564431 >>44567958 >>44568165

Let’s talk about the actual best format, NatDex UU. They’re retesting Grimmsnarl right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 16:28:52 No.44546433 Report

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Here’s the forum
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-uu-metagame-discussion-grimmsnarl-retest-160.3660920/

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Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 16:29:35 No.44546444 Report

Quoted By: >>44546468 >>44546479 >>44549738 >>44554357

Is Staraptor really too good for this meta??

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 16:32:45 No.44546468 Report

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>>44546444
He is going to be BL soon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 16:33:42 No.44546479 Report

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>>44546444
Yep

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 18:56:53 No.44547728 Report

Quoted By: >>44548698

Remember when Hydreigon was the best Pokémon in NatDex UU? Good times...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 20:25:12 No.44548698 Report

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>>44547728
Remember when Celesteela wasn’t in the tier? Annoying little shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 20:35:36 No.44548831 Report

Quoted By: >>44551641

>>44546428
>UL

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 22:05:08 No.44549738 Report

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>>44546444
Always.
Staraptor being UUBL is like a law of the universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 22:11:17 No.44549792 Report

Quoted By: >>44552431 >>44556203

>>44546428
is latias stuck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 23:21:09 No.44550436 Report

Quoted By: >>44550493 >>44550654 >>44552483 >>44552530 >>44552674

>>44546428
How good will Mega Aerodactyl be in National Dex UU when Aerodactyl comes back in Crown Tundra and picks up Dragon Dance and (probably) Dual Wingbeat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 23:28:18 No.44550493 Report

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>>44550436
Natdex OU level good, probably. It would be the fastest thing in the meta after one DD, outspeeding even scarfed Zeraora and Dragapult. With a moveset of DD/Stone Edge/Dual Wingbeat/EQ it hits basically everything in the meta for super effective damage, other than Dragapult, who still gets its shit slapped by Dual Wingbeats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 23:45:54 No.44550654 Report

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>>44550436
Busted. Dual Wingbeat beats so much of what usually checks Aerodactyl pretty badly, and that’s without taking Dragon Dance into consideration. HO would legit be cancer again

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Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 01:26:06 No.44551641 Report

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>>44548831

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 02:53:41 No.44552431 Report

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>>44549792
She's hanging herself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 03:00:27 No.44552483 Report

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>>44550436
Extremely. The only way you can bust it more would to give it Brave Bird and Head Smash/Accelerock

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 03:07:31 No.44552530 Report

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>>44550436
It'll be amazing. Like Scyther with a usable secondary STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 03:25:44 No.44552674 Report

Quoted By: >>44552764 >>44553552

>>44550436
Extremely fucking broken because Dual Wingbeat is probably boosted by Tough Claws so if that shit sets up, that D.Wingbeat is going to do big damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 03:38:14 No.44552764 Report

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>>44552674
>probably
It is. It makes contact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 05:49:35 No.44553552 Report

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>>44552674
Would DW from Mega Aerodactyl be as good as DW from Scyther?
Scyther's attack is a bit lower, but it gets a bigger boost from its ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 05:54:41 No.44553583 Report

Quoted By: >>44553773 >>44553843

Why were there day 1 UUBL mons for nat dex? Yes they were/are BL in 7 and 8, but nat dex UU could have been their chance at finally fucking seeing usage. I wanna use so many UUBL mons in nat dex, but they’d suffer in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 06:31:41 No.44553773 Report

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>>44553583
No one wants to let those gucks back in because people want to use their bros.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 06:42:33 No.44553843 Report

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>>44553583
No one wants to let those back in just because people want to use their bros. Nothing really changed from them to get unbanned anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 08:40:07 No.44554357 Report

Quoted By: >>44555166

>>44546444
Def not, Doublade Celesteela n Skarmory should cockblock it.
Why they are so scared shitless to unban, i have no clue. All of their reasons for why it would be too much for uu like magneton being a team mate fall flat cause nobody uses those same strategies in ou which basically has the same checks for it as in uu except Zapdos & Corviknight.
Free my nigga Staraptor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 08:51:31 No.44554389 Report

Quoted By: >>44555151

>>44553843
The increased dex and powercreep changed.
I think it would at least be fair to give them a chance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:40:43 No.44555151 Report

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>>44554389
It really didn’t change that much

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Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:44:39 No.44555166 Report

Quoted By: >>44563023

>>44554357
>the reason to keep it banned from UU falls flat because it’s not good in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:47:07 No.44555178 Report

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>>44546428
>ACTUAL fanfic meta
At least it isn't mix and mega, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 15:42:10 No.44556203 Report

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>>44549792
Yes, and she needs your help bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 15:51:39 No.44556253 Report

Quoted By: >>44560044

How many gens till Heatran in UU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 17:44:46 No.44556972 Report

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Remember when Tyranitar was in NatDex UU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 19:39:16 No.44557806 Report

Quoted By: >>44558544

Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 21:00:42 No.44558544 Report

Quoted By: >>44559566

>>44557806
bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Aug 2020 23:11:41 No.44559566 Report

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>>44558544
bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 00:17:43 No.44560044 Report

Quoted By: >>44560909

>>44556253
It's probably happening in gen 9.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 02:10:59 No.44560909 Report

Quoted By: >>44561335

>>44560044
Damn thing has been top tier in every game. No way that’s happening

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 03:11:38 No.44561335 Report

Quoted By: >>44561379

>>44560909
That's what people said about Tyranitar and Skarmory.
And before that, Gengar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 03:17:38 No.44561379 Report

Quoted By: >>44561529 >>44562744

>>44561335
Heatran isn't going to drop due to it's ridiculous wall-breaking potential. Stall is very prominent this gen so I don't see it going anywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 03:39:30 No.44561529 Report

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>>44561379
I would have said that before boots but boots unlocks a lot of other potential future fire type dual types that could take its place with the right combination of typing and movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 07:44:44 No.44562744 Report

Quoted By: >>44562845

>>44561379
But stall has gotten so much better. What if Heatran isn't able to keep up and isn't as good of a wallbreaker anymore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 08:10:28 No.44562845 Report

Quoted By: >>44563121

>>44562744
Heatran can still 1v1 pex. That alone can keep it OU. It'd reign literal hell in UU. At the absolute worst it could ever be is BL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 08:17:03 No.44562873 Report

Quoted By: >>44562923 >>44563035

>>44546428
Noob here. How balanced is the format with Z-move, mega, and Dynamax? Are their any stall teams present?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 08:32:34 No.44562923 Report

Quoted By: >>44563027

>>44562873
>is a playstyle completely gone
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 08:58:52 No.44563023 Report

Quoted By: >>44563870

>>44555166
Are you illiterate
I said the reason it should be unbanned is because all its checks bar Corviknight and Zapdos are in Uu so the counterplay against it is about the same.
Besides worst that would happen is more Skarm & Celesteela, Mega-Sableye Hippo and Scizor would lean more physdef and Mega-Venusaur wouldnt be litteraly omnipresent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 08:59:20 No.44563027 Report

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>>44562923
Is it as tedious and annoying as it is in OU gen 8?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 09:02:23 No.44563035 Report

Quoted By: >>44563047 >>44563098

>>44562873
Dynomax is banned in NatDex
Id say stall in Ou is about the same as last gen, although uu got an upgrade with mega sableye skarm&celesteela and boots+teleport blissy but from what I've seen balance has been the most common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 09:09:48 No.44563047 Report

Quoted By: >>44563067 >>44563092

>>44563035
how the fuck did Mega Sableye drop to UU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 09:17:21 No.44563067 Report

Quoted By: >>44563080 >>44563092

>>44563047
If im correct, it was uubl last gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 09:22:46 No.44563080 Report

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>>44563067
Sableye was in Ubers for a very short white. Always been a solid OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 09:25:25 No.44563092 Report

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>>44563067
Pretty sure Sableye was OU at that point since but their was a suspect ion going on, but by then Gen 8 was already near so it didn't matter.
>>44563047
OU had some serious checks on Sableye, One of them was Mega Lopunny and another was Calm Mind users/heavy S-attack mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 09:27:31 No.44563098 Report

Quoted By: >>44563109

>>44563035
That is fine thanks, UU has some decent fire types and other mons to deal with if those are the major threats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 09:31:40 No.44563109 Report

Quoted By: >>44563910

>>44563098
Yeah alot of anti stall mons also fell down like Porygon Z Mega Diancie Keldeo and Xurkitree just to name a few, guess it balanced out with the buffs uu stall got ig.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 09:34:48 No.44563121 Report

Quoted By: >>44563134

>>44562845
>At the absolute worst it could ever be is BL.
I'm not sure about that. In gen 8, sure, but we don't know how bad powercreep is gonna get.
Toxapex might also get invalidated by an even more bullshit minmaxed wall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 09:38:14 No.44563134 Report

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>>44563121
Unless another fire/steel trapper with a fire immunity pops up, Heatrans niche is safe

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:35:14 No.44563870 Report

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>>44563023
>I said the reason it should be unbanned is because all its checks bar Corviknight and Zapdos are in Uu so the counterplay against it is about the same.
And Magneton fucks over all three of them

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:43:55 No.44563910 Report

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>>44563109
Only Sableye and Skarmory are common in stall. All the other defensive threats are used in balance teams. I’m not sure if people realize this but stall sucks in NatDex UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 14:24:42 No.44564431 Report

Quoted By: >>44566071 >>44567504

>>44546428
Even if it's the best, there's not enough people playing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 17:39:23 No.44566071 Report

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>>44564431
Yeah. It just got its own ladder in Showdown not long ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 20:29:05 No.44567504 Report

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>>44564431
Yeah, it's a real shame that the actual good formats (the ones that go far enough into the realm of fanfiction to not be held back by GF) are never the popular ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 21:18:11 No.44567958 Report

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>>44546428
How? Is this AG in NatDex? Mega Alakazam and Galarian Darmanitan?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 21:40:19 No.44568165 Report

Quoted By: >>44568463 >>44569916

>>44546428
Why did Mega Charizard X drop to UUBL?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 22:13:27 No.44568463 Report

Quoted By: >>44571012

>>44568165
There really was no reason to use any other mega in OU than Metagross, Lopunny, Slowbro, and Tyranitar. And it’s only been about a month since the bans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Aug 2020 01:29:59 No.44569916 Report

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>>44568165
Outclassed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Aug 2020 03:53:26 No.44571012 Report

Quoted By: >>44571291

>>44568463
Do not forget Mega Zard Y. In OU taking control of the weather is key. It is why Saur Chlorophyll jumped to OU while Mega dropped to UU

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Anonymous Thu 20 Aug 2020 04:41:31 No.44571291 Report

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>>44571012
Is there anything more based than 2 starters that synergize amazingly?

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