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Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:41:30 No.44547095 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>44547112 >>44547118 >>44547122 >>44547125 >>44547132 >>44547183 >>44547502 >>44548541

>Physical attackers have burns, intimidate, anti-contact abilities, rocky helmet, and confusion to worry about
>Special attackers only have to worry about assault vests and snarl
Why is this a thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:42:47 No.44547107 Report

Quoted By: >>44547147

Because physical is inherently inferior to special

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:43:13 No.44547112 Report

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>>44547095
Special Attackers' vengeance for the Special stat being split into spatk and spdef

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:43:42 No.44547118 Report

Quoted By: >>44547140

>>44547095
Intimidate should lower both attacking stats, and poison should do unto sp attackers what burn does unto phys attackers.
Also, there are more physical defense pokemon than special, so yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:44:00 No.44547122 Report

Quoted By: >>44547147

>>44547095
Physical boosting moves are a lot more plentiful than Special moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:44:08 No.44547125 Report

Quoted By: >>44547147

>>44547095
Special attackers have to deal with fucking Blissey/Chansey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:44:38 No.44547132 Report

Quoted By: >>44547147

>>44547095
You forgot about a certain pink blob and its younger sister

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:45:17 No.44547140 Report

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>>44547118
This is actually false. The hgihest average stat among all Pokemon is SpD

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:46:08 No.44547147 Report

Quoted By: >>44547206 >>44547544

>>44547122
Nasty Plot has wide coverage now.
>>44547107
No it isn't retard.
>>44547125
>>44547132
Gamefreak doesn't balance the stats around a single Pokemon. If that were the case they would just nerf Chansey/Blissey.
>GAMEFREAK DOESN'T NERF POKEMON!
Gengar and Aegislash say otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:46:11 No.44547148 Report

Quoted By: >>44547155

They're not meant to be equal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:47:06 No.44547155 Report

Quoted By: >>44547186

>>44547148
And the logic for this is...?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:50:45 No.44547183 Report

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>>44547095
Because most of the time, physical moves are more strong than special moves.

Physical gets things like EQ, Wood Hammer, Power Whip, Flare Blitz, Close Combat, High Jump Kick, Gunk Shot, Double-Edge, and Outrage that are all high power yet still have good accuracy with barely any drawback. On top of this Swords Dance and Dragon Dance are far more common than Nasty Plot and Quiver Dance are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:50:54 No.44547186 Report

Quoted By: >>44547234

>>44547155
Variety. What would be fun in each offensive stat and type being exactly equal?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:53:26 No.44547206 Report

Quoted By: >>44547223 >>44547249

>>44547147
>Aegislash
>Nerfed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:55:53 No.44547223 Report

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>>44547206
It literally got nerfed you fucking retard. It lost 20(40) BST and King's Shield got cut in fucking half.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:56:46 No.44547234 Report

Quoted By: >>44547250

>>44547186
Where is the fun in one attacking stat being better than another by fucking default with no trade-off?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:58:34 No.44547249 Report

Quoted By: >>44548482

>>44547206
>Dropped from Uber to UUBL
Yes anon it got fucking nerfed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:58:40 No.44547250 Report

Quoted By: >>44547275

>>44547234
But there is a trade-off. Physical moves are more powerful but risky while special moves are weaker but more consistent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 18:01:25 No.44547275 Report

Quoted By: >>44547291

>>44547250
Physical moves are only risky because there's more options to put a stop to them. Compare the amount of 100+ BP, 100 accuracy physical moves to the same for special moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 18:03:18 No.44547291 Report

Quoted By: >>44547436

>>44547275
>Physical moves are only risky because there's more options to put a stop to them.
Yes, that's the point.

>Compare the amount of 100+ BP, 100 accuracy physical moves to the same for special moves.
Physical moves have more. Thanks for agreeing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 18:20:39 No.44547436 Report

Quoted By: >>44548087

>>44547291
>Physical moves have more
They don't

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 18:30:14 No.44547502 Report

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>>44547095
Physical attackers tend to lean to the better offensive types like Ground, Rock and Fighting. Their moves tend to be stronger EQ, Stone Edge and Close Combat vs Flamethrower, Ice Beam and Thunderbolt for example. More widespread boosting, swords dance is more accessible than nasty plot typically. Also physical attackers tend to be stronger in terms of stats, for example most pseudo legendaries are physical.

Also it says a lot that even with all these counters physical attackers manage to still be strong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 18:35:55 No.44547544 Report

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>>44547147
Talonflame got fucking murdered

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 19:33:33 No.44548087 Report

Quoted By: >>44548180 >>44548419

>>44547436
>100+ BP non-signature physical moves with 100 accuracy
Earthquake
Explosion
Self-Destruct
Focus Punch
Last Resort
Skull Bash
Steel Roller
Solar Blade
Thrash
Double-Edge
Close Combat
Outrage
Superpower
Flare Blitz
Brave Bird
Wood Hammer

>100+ BP non-signature special moves with 100 accuracy
Water Spout
Eruption
Boomburst
Burn Up
Solar Beam
Petal Dance
Synchronoise

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 19:40:57 No.44548180 Report

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>>44548087
It's worth noting that most of those special moves have really bad distribution as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 20:01:23 No.44548419 Report

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>>44548087
Bro you forgot return! How could you have all those moves without remembering return! So silly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 20:05:35 No.44548482 Report

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>>44547249
It dropped to UU because of mandibuzz spam you fucking tard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Aug 2020 20:11:18 No.44548541 Report

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>>44547095
Physical attackers have access to a lot of base 120 power 100acc moves, whereas special attackers have 110 power 70 acc or 90 power 100 acc to pick from. Furthermore all of the attacks don't need to be homogeneous. The fact there are plenty of good special and physical attackers shows that at least that aspect of the game is balanced.

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