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Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 16:52:21 No.44709419 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>44709426 >>44709438 >>44709529 >>44709538 >>44710632 >>44711612 >>44713580 >>44715162

Why is Mega Lucario and Mega Salamence banned from OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 16:53:17 No.44709426 Report

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>>44709419
Because they're overpowered

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 16:53:47 No.44709431 Report

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Is that really what mega Salamanca looks like? That’s fucking awful lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 16:54:30 No.44709438 Report

Quoted By: >>44718788

>>44709419
Lucario has Adaptability
Salamence has Aerilate

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 17:02:40 No.44709516 Report

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Fast, good boosting moves, good abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 17:04:12 No.44709529 Report

Quoted By: >>44711806

>>44709419
Parental Bond Terrakion

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 17:05:38 No.44709538 Report

Quoted By: >>44710469 >>44711806 >>44718802

>>44709419
For Lucario
>252 Atk Parental Bond Terrakion Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 168-199 (50.2 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
>252 Atk Adaptability Mega Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 164-194 (49.1 - 58%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
And for Salamence
>252 Atk Parental Bond Terrakion Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 234-276 (59.3 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 243-286 (61.6 - 72.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 19:00:14 No.44710469 Report

Quoted By: >>44710903 >>44711806

>>44709538
MUH PARENTAL BOND
it's just a +1 bonus.
No different than choice band.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 19:15:40 No.44710632 Report

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>>44709419
m-luke
>adaptability makes it retardedly strong
>can boost physical or special, has priority for both and guessing the set wrong costs you the game
mence
>aerilate is absolutely retarded on top of having 700 bst
>can run any number of sets from ddance to mixed attacker, with nearly unlimited tech options due to only really needing 2 moveslots
>whoops you statused it? turns out it had facade and is now dropping 168 BP stabs
>went to skarm against ddance? oops it was mixed and just oneshot skarm with fire blast

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 19:42:48 No.44710903 Report

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>>44710469
Choice band locks you into a single move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 19:46:50 No.44710945 Report

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terrakion with a starmie strapped to its back

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Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 19:50:47 No.44710985 Report

Quoted By: >>44711806

As much as I love mega Lucario...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 20:58:19 No.44711612 Report

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>>44709419
Being stupidly strong + fast as shit + ridiculous amounts of sets is usually a guaranteed way to end up being banned because it'll shit on offensive teams while simultaneously breaking through walls.
If you can't out offense it, and you can't defensively wall it, then what viable counterplay actually exists?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 21:16:35 No.44711806 Report

Quoted By: >>44711815 >>44713408 >>44713485

>>44709529
>>44709538
>>44710469
>>44710985
Terrakion has justified as its ability, not parental bond

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 21:17:59 No.44711815 Report

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>>44711806
That's the fucking point, moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 21:21:04 No.44711847 Report

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>>44711815
Breloom hits harder than the ponys, Arceus and female marowak

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 21:58:16 No.44712169 Report

Quoted By: >>44712394 >>44715172

Mega Luke could have been banned even if it merely had Tough Claws instead of Adaptability
Steel/Fighting is a decent defensive typing and ridiculous offensive one, but most Steel/Fighting are defensive and regular Lucario fell behind due to speed creep

Mega Mence would be shit without Aerilate, because Aerilate fixes 2 of its problems: no boosting ability and no Flying STAB

So Mega Luke is broken, while Aerilate is broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 22:10:00 No.44712266 Report

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It’s part of their fanfic

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 22:25:27 No.44712394 Report

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>>44712169
>Mega Luke could have been banned even if it merely had Tough Claws instead of Adaptability
>merely
Tough Claws is still one of the best offensive Abilities in the game, why the fuck would you ever preface it with "merely"
>Mega Mence would be shit without Aerilate
[x] Doubt
If you meant "shit in Ubers", sure. It's still got fantastic bulk, a great Speed tier, and good initial power to work with. Give it some actually useless shit like Battle Armor and it'd still be one of the best setup sweepers to ever appear in OU, though it'd take a suspect test to boot instead of being quick banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 00:21:49 No.44713408 Report

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>>44711806
Exactly.
Terrakion would be absolutely busted if it had Parental Bond.
Just like how Mega Lucario is absolutely busted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 00:28:58 No.44713485 Report

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>>44711806
Fucking idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 00:32:30 No.44713514 Report

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>>44712394
>Give it some actually useless shit like Battle Armor and it'd still be one of the best setup sweepers to ever appear in OU
without Aerilate there's little reason to use it as a setup sweeper over regular Moxie Salamence, especially when other Megas like Metagross are available
you severely underestimate the impact of restricting Flying type STAB has on the meta, when it's shown itself with Z-Moves and Dynamax to completely warp how tiers operate

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 00:39:04 No.44713580 Report

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>>44709419
I know this is bait but Mega Mence was literally the #2 mon in fucking Ubers, only right behind literal Primal Groudon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 00:39:37 No.44713587 Report

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because they're good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 03:47:08 No.44715162 Report

Quoted By: >>44716025

>>44709419
G-max Drednaw can 1-hit both of these at once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 03:49:04 No.44715172 Report

Quoted By: >>44715553

>>44712169
Tough Claws + STAB is just about the same boost as Adaptability STAB.
If anything, Tough Claws Mega Luc would be a sidegrade because it's also getting a boost to its non-STAB moves at the cost of not getting a boost to special moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 03:51:31 No.44715194 Report

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beacuse stallgon don't like pokemon which will make stall bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 04:44:43 No.44715553 Report

Quoted By: >>44716072 >>44716195 >>44716615 >>44717134

>>44715172
there's no moves that Lucario would run for coverage that get the TC boost, and its main stab moves are that much weaker
not to mention the entire special set goes out the window without adaptability

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 06:18:04 No.44716025 Report

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>>44715162
Gmax drednaw dies first

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Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 06:28:23 No.44716072 Report

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>>44715553
>there's no moves that Lucario would run for coverage that get the TC boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 06:49:34 No.44716195 Report

Quoted By: >>44716227

>>44715553
Isn't the hotness with physical Luke to run Knock Off and Meteor Mash now? I think Ice Punch was a thing for a while too

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 06:55:41 No.44716227 Report

Quoted By: >>44716284

>>44716195
>Lucario
>Knock Off
Anon, I’m in tears

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 07:08:00 No.44716284 Report

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>>44716227
Man I don't fuckin know, I haven't seriously used a Lucario in years

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 08:27:18 No.44716615 Report

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>>44715553
Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Crunch, Extreme Speed, Poison Jab, Zen Headbutt, Dual Cop, Blaze Kick.
Lucario has pretty good coverage when it comes to contact moves.
Not sure how many of those moves you'd actually use, but you have options.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 10:41:03 No.44717134 Report

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>>44715553
Extreme Speed you retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 16:26:01 No.44718788 Report

Quoted By: >>44718869

>>44709438
>Aerilate

Tranny

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 16:27:53 No.44718802 Report

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>>44709538
>close combat
>2hko

Like that def penality allows you to survive to do that..

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 16:36:20 No.44718869 Report

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>>44718788
pixilate

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