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Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2020 23:20:46 No.44731857 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>44731870 >>44731876 >>44732154 >>44732162 >>44732264 >>44732284 >>44732479 >>44733301 >>44734579 >>44734810 >>44735181

>A counterpart to Eviolite that boosts the Attack and Special Attack stats to NFE pokemon is added to game
How would that affect competitive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2020 23:22:08 No.44731870 Report

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>>44731857
Scyther FUCKS

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2020 23:22:49 No.44731876 Report

Quoted By: >>44732264

>>44731857
Vigoroth might become a thing

Rhydon and Scyther probably move up a little

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2020 23:24:17 No.44731892 Report

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>Type: null is still shit
:(

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2020 23:55:45 No.44732154 Report

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>>44731857
RIP LC

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2020 23:56:40 No.44732162 Report

Quoted By: >>44732193 >>44732435

>>44731857

Just like evolite, the only pokemon who bother to use it are cross gen evolution mons

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2020 23:59:49 No.44732193 Report

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>>44732162
also mons with good stage 2s like haunter and kadabra

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 00:00:58 No.44732205 Report

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TR Cranidos gang

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 00:03:53 No.44732236 Report

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Trapinch becomes the best TR trapper in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 00:08:20 No.44732264 Report

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>>44731857
Scyther and sneasel are always the ones to get mentioned first when an offensive eviolite is brought up, but I think magneton, torracat and combusken would become very interesting with it. Then there's also kadabra.
>>44731876
>vigoroth
I really wish it had scrappy. Even with the attack boost I can't see it shining much in comparison to defensive vigoroth. Kinda like how eviolite type null would probably still be better than attack eviolite type null.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 00:10:53 No.44732284 Report

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>>44731857
It would be stupid as fuck and void a lot of evolutions. Eviolite in general should be removed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 00:30:17 No.44732435 Report

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>>44732162
Attack eviolite doublade would be ridiculous

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 00:30:54 No.44732440 Report

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>>44732435
More ridiculous than regular Eviolite Doublade already is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 00:34:18 No.44732464 Report

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>>44732440
Yes you fucking retard. It has base 110 attack and you would be giving it fucking Huge Power in item form. M-Mawile has the highest attack stat in the fucking game because of huge power and its base attack is 5 less than that.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 00:35:15 No.44732470 Report

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>>44732464
eviolite is 1.5 not 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 00:36:08 No.44732479 Report

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>>44731857
Magneton would be faster than Magnezone while only being slightly weaker than Specs Magnezone. Easily viable

Scyther's best item is Choice Band, so getting Choice Band without the choice is fantastic

Pre Evos from banned mons will like it a lot. Namely Combusken and Raboot

The rest are almost all gimmicks, is preferably to run their evolutions with a Life Orb, a Choice Item or any other item

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 00:40:57 No.44732510 Report

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Rhydon will have the highest effective attack stat in the game with zero drawbacks (higher than Mega Mewtwo X) with an attack stat of 195.
Haunter, Kadabra, and Duosion also become crazy (but dont beat Mewtwo Y's SpA)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 00:44:13 No.44732540 Report

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>>44732479
>Pre Evos from banned mons will like it a lot. Namely Combusken and Raboot
Torracat, Wingull and Frogadier would like it for the same reason

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Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 00:48:23 No.44732569 Report

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>>44732464
Doublade with the offensive eviolite would essentially be a slow kartana. Of all mons that would be broken with an offensive eviolite, I think doublade isn't one of them. The ability to take more hits is more valuable to it.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 02:18:08 No.44733301 Report

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>>44731857
nothing happens because they continue to introduce bullshit power crept top tier mons, causing the old top tiers to fall down to previously less competitive spots and shit on the old c and d lineups, causing THEM (the actual eviolite candidates) to vanish and be forgotten completely outside of singleplayer.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 02:18:53 No.44733304 Report

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Torracat would be better than Incineroar.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 02:20:32 No.44733315 Report

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>>44733304
>A speedy attacker vs a defensive pivot
Retard. That’s like comparing Porygon 2 & Z

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 02:29:22 No.44733375 Report

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>>44733315
Torracat with offensive eviolite is essentially discount Lando-T
you can't even compare it to Arcanine as it has a far better movepool than Arcanine with U-Turn, Fake Out and Knock Off.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 03:17:35 No.44733775 Report

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>>44733375
>Knock Off Torracat
Ah at least you tried

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 03:19:15 No.44733795 Report

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>>44733375
Lando can actually be defensive so comparing this hypothetical Torracat to it is pointless

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 04:52:57 No.44734501 Report

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>>44732464
Doublade also has 150 defense, which is the highest base defense of any NFE mon that isn't named Onix.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 05:01:40 No.44734557 Report

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Make it 1.33

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Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 05:05:00 No.44734579 Report

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>>44731857
Pokemon such as Servine, Thwackey, Combusken, and Scyther become even better in lower tiers, enough to get them banned and for them to see usage in higher tiers

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Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 05:14:18 No.44734643 Report

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>>44732470
Outside of like scyther I wouldnt see why anyone would use a 1.5 attack boost on an nfe when you can just use life orb on its evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 05:38:29 No.44734810 Report

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>>44731857
Very little, the attack boost doesn't make up for the natural attack difference or the speed and coverage loss in the vast majority of cases.
+1 252 SpA Kadabra Psychic vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 208-246 (51.6 - 61%)
252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psychic vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 199-234 (49.3 - 58%)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 06:17:11 No.44735181 Report

Quoted By: >>44735260

>>44731857
The problem is that Life Orb already exists.
Yes, it would do more damage on an NFE than Life Orb and there would be no recoil, but you make up for it by using the evolution that has better stats and moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 06:25:19 No.44735260 Report

Quoted By: >>44735878

>>44735181
It's the same problem that Eviolite has. Most NFEs aren't actually bulkier than their evolutions, or if they are it doesn't offset the loss of Leftovers, Boots, Assault Vest etc. Rhydon has always been completely outclassed by Rhyperior as a tank despite Eviolite and even Chansey which was the ultimate Eviolite mon now ended up being worse than Blissey.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2020 07:49:00 No.44735878 Report

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>>44735260
>Chansey which was the ultimate Eviolite mon now ended up being worse than Blissey.
To be fair, it took 3 generations and GF introducing the most overpowered item for a stallmon to push Blissey over the edge.

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