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Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2020 17:09:08 No.44788563 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>44788587 >>44789396 >>44790562 >>44790798

>Perfect example of non-linear route design with multiple paths, plenty of side areas and trainers to explore while traveling through it
>Is less of a hallway than the fucking Wild Area
>References fucking Kalos and remarks how close the two regions are
>Only example of this in the whole game
Why? How? I'm almost inclined to believe an entirely different developer worked on this route. Why couldn't the whole game be like this?

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Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2020 17:11:13 No.44788587 Report

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>>44788563
Prease understand

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Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2020 18:44:24 No.44789396 Report

Quoted By: >>44789555

>>44788563
How does it reference Kalos? Not doubting just never realized..

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Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2020 19:05:53 No.44789555 Report

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>>44789396
Swimmers mention how it's common to marathon to Kalos and back from here. It's a reference to how swimmers commonly swim the English Channel to France and back because despite being entirely separate land masses the English Channel only stretches about 22 miles long.
There's a similar occurrence in XY where a swimmer mentions swimming from Hoenn as an indirect reference to the same thing. The difference is that in ORAS you can see the same swimmer training to do his thing in Kalos since the games take place years apart.
That said, it's just a glimpse of soul in the route. It was a shocking change of pace in my playthrough because even the wild area was so restrictive. Hard to believe no one talks about it though I suppose that's because the 7th and 8th gyms take place directly after and neither of them have trials or anything really interesting considering you literally teleport from one of them to the other.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2020 20:58:14 No.44790562 Report

Quoted By: >>44790717 >>44792893

>>44788563
Kalos is different and worse route-wise, specially Kalos' Route 1, which is an empty 10 meter hall.
Still, it doesn't mean that other Galar routes don't suck either, even tho it makes you circle in a successive circuit of routes between gyms twince in the region.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2020 21:16:46 No.44790717 Report

Quoted By: >>44792898

>>44790562
Most of Kalos's routes are like Route 9.
The idea is that all of Sword and Shield's routes should be like this, especially the wild area since it's basically just a glorified hallway in context.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2020 21:24:24 No.44790798 Report

Quoted By: >>44790820

>>44788563
>Why couldn't the whole game be like this?
Does it matter? Either way it's an area you curbstomp through in 5-10 minutes and never have a reason to revisit again.

"MUH MAZE ROOTS AND DUNJUNS" has to be among one of the stupidest and meaningless complaints about these games.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2020 21:27:32 No.44790820 Report

Quoted By: >>44790850 >>44791054

>>44790798
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN SWORD AND SHIELD ARE THE SHORTEST GAMES?? IM 2000 HOURS IN AND DON'T EVEN HAVE MY STARTER YET STOP SPEEDRUNNING
>What do you mean one part of the game is how the rest should have been? Actually, the area you posted has NO content and can easily be traversed within 5-10 minutes
So which is it with you retards? Are SWSH barren or not? The fact is, players have a choice to explore and are rewarded for doing so. This isn't even the case in the Wild Area, where they're immediately gated off from Hammerlocke despite dodging strong Wild Pokemon that there is no reason to run into because you can't even try and catch them anyway.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2020 21:30:26 No.44790850 Report

Quoted By: >>44792751 >>44792824

>>44790820
>>WHAT DO YOU MEAN SWORD AND SHIELD ARE THE SHORTEST GAMES??
They're the same average length as every other game.

>The fact is, players have a choice to explore and are rewarded for doing so
You mean that thing you can do in the Wild Area anyway and to a greater extent than previous games?

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Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2020 21:53:35 No.44791054 Report

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>>44790820
>Are SWSH barren or not?
Yes

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:15:13 No.44792751 Report

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>>44790850
Zoomer retard

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:27:10 No.44792824 Report

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>>44790850
>You mean that thing you can do in the Wild Area anyway and to a greater extent than previous games?
The wild area is more restrictive than routes in 2D Pokemon games, cope.

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View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO kalos route 15 and 16.png, 604KiB, 468x575

Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:35:32 No.44792893 Report

Quoted By: >>44792896 >>44792938 >>44792965 >>44792973 >>44792992 >>44793036

>>44790562
i assume people just forget about kalos route wise because most of them are well designed. even the desert route that's a straight line makes up for it by having it aids to get through when there's a sandstorm (which there is most of the time)

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:36:19 No.44792896 Report

Quoted By: >>44792924

>>44792893
Absolute soul.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:36:20 No.44792898 Report

Quoted By: >>44792938

>>44790717
>Most of Kalos's routes are like Route 9.
Lmao Kalos """exploration""" is like all tiny 1 square paths leading off the main road to a single item and nothing else

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View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO Kalos_Route_19_XY.png, 463KiB, 496x410

Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:39:46 No.44792924 Report

Quoted By: >>44792965 >>44792973 >>44792992 >>44793018

>>44792896
i agree
a lot of people also see the maps and believe them to be shorter than they really are because the overworld looks a bit scrunched up

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:41:24 No.44792938 Report

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>>44792898
>>44792893

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:44:09 No.44792965 Report

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>>44792893
>>44792924
I forget just how tiny the Pokemon world is. I get that every region's routes are just representations of frequently tread areas, but they're so small compared to explorable areas of most other games.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:45:51 No.44792973 Report

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>>44792893
>>44792924
Remember when we had more than 15 routes in a game and also had a ton of offshooting areas with differing environment yet we’re all unique and complimented the general area of the game.
Even if they were easy XY delivered on a lot of overlooked little stuff

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:49:05 No.44792990 Report

Quoted By: >>44793016

>>44792824
>The wild area is more restrictive than routes in 2D Pokemon games
Is that why it lets me catch 20+ pokemon before the first gym?

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:49:16 No.44792992 Report

Quoted By: >>44793040

>>44792893
>>44792924
Exploration in previous generations:
>If you delve deep into the seafoam islands there is a legendary Pokemon waiting for you, the cave is mazelike and your ability to keep track of your surroundings will be tested
>Similarly you can find one off the beaten path in a place you might not remember to surf to, the power plant
>If you continue to explore after being the elite four you come upon a cave that leads to mewtwo
>If you come back and surf in this cave you can find the rare Lapras, hidden powerful trainers, the final puzzle of the ruins, and the only patch of grass that yields Natu and Smergle
>If you come back and use waterfall in this cave you can fight a special NPC that rewards you with Tyrogue, which can evolve into the various hitmon pokemon
>Diving can reveal a intricate puzzle to reveal 3 powerful legendary Pokemon
>Just navigating the mountain that stretches through sinnoh on the various cases where you have to is a test of your navigation skills
>Remembering to return and surf and waterfall through early Unova routes reveals large areas that were completely cut off to you before with level appropriate trainers and pokemon

"""Exploration""" in XY
>Surf over the pond to get an item
>Walk on the 1x9 path to get an item
>Waterfall to get an item
>Literally just walk into this side area with a patch of grass and 2 trainers for an item
>Exploration will never net anything but items and take as little time as it possibly can as to not inconvenience the player on their breakneck sprint through the story so they can get to the ""endgame"" of spamming breeding, the battle maison, and online battles
>Impossible to get lost

Don't get me wrong. It's leagues better than SM/SWSH abhorrent hallways and the wild area aka the big fucking hallway. But it's still a marked step below the 2D games.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:51:44 No.44793016 Report

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>>44792990
No, that's actually because of the dex cut forcing them to cram as many Pokemon as possible in a region where they don't belong.
Kalos, the region you Galards are notorious for shitting on even though it manages to just barely be better, has similar diversity despite no Wild Area. What's the excuse for that?

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:51:57 No.44793018 Report

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>>44792924
This looks like it was gonna be a waterfall route and then gave up and added stairs because it was gonna be too much for the poor casuals

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:54:18 No.44793036 Report

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>>44792893
This looks like it was gonna be a waterfall route and then gave up and added stairs because it was gonna be too much for the poor casuals

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:56:08 No.44793040 Report

Quoted By: >>44793055

>>44792992
>>If you come back and use waterfall in this cave you can fight a special NPC that rewards you with Tyrogue, which can evolve into the various hitmon pokemon
XY has a bunch of little backtracking rewards like this with Surf, Strength, and Cut.
>>Diving can reveal a intricate puzzle to reveal 3 powerful legendary Pokemon
Hoenn was literally remade in XY's engine
>>Remembering to return and surf and waterfall through early Unova routes reveals large areas that were completely cut off to you before with level appropriate trainers and pokemon
Unova was great because HMs weren't tied to gyms. Don't be disingenuous, though. Again, Kalos has numerous examples of this next to Santalune City, above Snowbelle City, the entirety of the stretch from Ambrette to Cyllage, etc. wherein SM and Galar have one throwaway thing that you can go back to in Melemele and the Wild Area.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 01:58:11 No.44793055 Report

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>>44793040
>XY has a bunch of little backtracking rewards like this with Surf, Strength, and Cut.
And? It's still just a disappointing, tiny side area that nets a boring item and nothing else.
>Hoenn was literally remade in XY's engine
And?? This does nothing for Kalos.
>Don't be disingenuous, though.
I'm not the side areas hidden behind HMs in Unova were often entire separate areas and that just genuinely never happens in XY

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