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Is This Fluffy Bug a Pseudo-Legendary?

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 04:47:22 No.44843314 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>44843339 >>44843355 >>44843364 >>44843377 >>44843410 >>44847782

Or rather, did gamefreak intend for Volcorona to fall into the same category as Salamence / Tyranitar etc.? I know that the fan community only considers pokemon with 600 bst to be pseudos, but that isn't necessarily the same categorization that the game designers are using.

>Volcorona is used by the region's champion
>Volcorona comes AFTER Hydreigon in the Unova dex
Is this fluffy guy an honorary pseudo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 04:48:40 No.44843321 Report

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It's about as legendary as Rotom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 04:53:38 No.44843339 Report

Quoted By: >>44843350

>>44843314
He SHOULD’VE been a pseudo. Add a middle, cocoon stage that looks like a papier-mâché sun, then give it +10 to all stats except Speed to make it 600, boom, pseudo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 04:58:27 No.44843350 Report

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>>44843339
The extra bulk would make it kinda OP, imo. I like the idea of an endgame bug that still has lower stats than its contemporary endgame dark/dragon. Bug types *should* have lower stats. The fact that Volcorona's moves / ability make it able to stand alongside a 600 bst pseudo makes it a bit cooler.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 04:58:49 No.44843355 Report

Quoted By: >>44843374 >>44843378 >>44843393

>>44843314
Hate to break it to you OP, but it seems that GF doesn't consider the moth as a Psuedo, or a "Late Bloomer", if pic related is to say anything, though that's not to say that I wouldn't put it past them that it was originally gonna be the Metagross to Hydreigon's Salamence, and in turn the same for how Heatran is/was speculated as the same for Garchomp

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:00:36 No.44843364 Report

Quoted By: >>44843378 >>44843409

>>44843314
>I know that the fan community only considers pokemon with 600 bst to be pseudos, but that isn't necessarily the same categorization that the game designers are using.
They use it too. Official designation is “late bloomer.” Pic related is official art (pre-Dragapult obviously).

Either way, Volcarona isn’t one of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:03:43 No.44843374 Report

Quoted By: >>44843516 >>44844450

>>44843355
Interesting. What you're saying seems legit, though I'd hesitate to base that assumption off of a single picture. Are there lots of other pieces of GF art that include the endgame dragons / salamence / metagross, but don't include volcorona? You're probably right, mind you, but it wouldn't hurt to dig a bit more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:04:35 No.44843377 Report

Quoted By: >>44843460

>>44843314
No.
Pseudos are 3-stages, have a BST of exactly 600, and tend to reach their final stage at a late level.
Volcarona probably should've been a pseudo, been given a middle form, and an extra 50 BST.
But no. We need to have only dragon pseudos for 5 gens in a row.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:04:45 No.44843378 Report

Quoted By: >>44843516

>>44843355
>>44843364
Gotcha, question answered. Good to know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:07:17 No.44843393 Report

Quoted By: >>44843516 >>44845129

>>44843355
I wish Heatran and Volcarona were pseudos with 3 stage lines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:11:27 No.44843409 Report

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>>44843364
I'm pretty sure official sources also call them the "600 club" in Japanese.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:11:28 No.44843410 Report

Quoted By: >>44843431

>>44843314
Considering GF claims Alder's design was originally more "Christ like" and Volcarona invoking a sort of Seraph fire angel theme, it's not impossible.

Remember, Hydreigon was actually SCRAPPED before they revived its design later in development, so they had to have something else in its place before they decided to default back to endgame Dragon pseudo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:17:44 No.44843431 Report

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>>44843410
That's a neat bit of trivia. A seraph is a good foil for a dark-type hydra (which also has 3 heads like Cerberus). They both have six wings and they both also correspond to Godzilla monsters. It really bothers me that one's a pseudo and the other isn't.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:18:51 No.44843439 Report

Quoted By: >>44843452 >>44843454 >>44849962

>Junichi Masuda made a typo, Volcarona is now a 600 BST pseudo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:20:42 No.44843452 Report

Quoted By: >>44843470

>>44843439
>z-wild charges your gyarados
nothin personell kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:21:15 No.44843454 Report

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>>44843439
I fucking love it. And you're right, 50 points into Atk would be just about the only way to make it a pseudo while keeping it balanced. Maybe like 45 in Atk and 5 in Sp. Def.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:21:52 No.44843460 Report

Quoted By: >>44843480 >>44844249

>>44843377
Masuda has gone on record saying he continues to make dragon pseudos because players expect it
I know that's about as circular as fellting your own asshole but that's the excuse

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:23:16 No.44843470 Report

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>>44843452
>Gyrados was burned by Volcorona's Flame Body
Also Volcorona outspeeds Gyrados even without Quiver Dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:25:02 No.44843480 Report

Quoted By: >>44843518 >>44844249

>>44843460
Pokemon fans are an autistic bunch, I suppose. Masuda is wise to not buck the trend too much. Personally I'd love to see a starting trio that isn't Fire/Water/Grass, but hell if that'll ever happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:36:23 No.44843516 Report

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>>44843374
Afaik, there doesn't seem to be another pic unfortunately, and I can get behind not making assumptions of of a single pic, tried searching a good point to see if anything else was there, so either I just haven't searched good enough, or there isn't another one (most likely). I do hope that we get to see another pic regarding psuedos in the future though
>>44843378
Sorry much else couldn't be provided with the Late Bloomer pic, hopefully more can be provided as to the whole deal with Psuedos in the future
>>44843393
Same

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 05:36:47 No.44843518 Report

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>>44843480
should do what Tajiri did had have a secret 3-stage early game Poison type available as an alternative
RB and GS had one

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 08:02:31 No.44844249 Report

Quoted By: >>44845139

>>44843460
>>44843480
Did Pokemon fans ever complain about Ttar or Metagross?
What makes him think fans would have a problem with a non-dragon pseudo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 08:43:10 No.44844450 Report

Quoted By: >>44849962

>>44843374
It wasn’t a single picture, it was an entire line of merchandise they ran specifically about pseudos/late bloomers/600 club. That photo was just one thing of promotional art for it

https://nintendowire.com/news/2019/10/11/pokemon-center-celebrating-pseudo-legendaries-with-late-bloomer-collection/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 10:36:17 No.44845129 Report

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>>44843393
>Wanting a little turd that evolves into a medium turd that evolves into a full fledged turd
No thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 10:38:49 No.44845139 Report

Quoted By: >>44851331

>>44844249
>Did Pokemon fans ever complain about Ttar or Metagross?
No, but there were complaints about Salamence and Garchomp, since both shared types with earlier Dragons and were basically improved versions of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 16:37:22 No.44847782 Report

Quoted By: >>44850015

>>44843314
Nah, it was clearly intended to be a legendary. Pseudos don't get religions which revolve around them. They start off as shitmons with unexpected potential.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 20:31:07 No.44849962 Report

Quoted By: >>44849994 >>44850024

>>44843439
Mixed attacking Seraph moth, what an amazing concept.

The previous anon mentioning Heatran as a potential scrapped pseudo got me thinking...Would you anons rather have two pseudo legend lines with less legendary dex Pokemon, or just 1 with more legendary dex Pokemon?

>>44844450
Confirms what I've always suspected, Hydreigon's head-hands are actually based on sock puppets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 20:34:30 No.44849994 Report

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>>44849962
Less legends, more psuedos. I honestly think that all regions should have 2 psuedos, a legendary trio, and the two box legends, along with the requisite 3rd box mon and one or two mythicals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 20:37:47 No.44850015 Report

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>>44847782
Nah, Volc is just one of those normal mons that just happen to have greater powers/gravitas associated with them. See Lucario and Zoroark for other examples. They don't happen that often anymore though, so if GF was making them now they probably would just be made legendary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 20:38:19 No.44850024 Report

Quoted By: >>44850034

>>44849962
More pseudos, less legends.
>Heatran for gen 4
>Volcarona for gen 5
>Florges for gen 6
>Zeraora or Naganadel for gen 7
and idk for gen 8

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 20:39:14 No.44850034 Report

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>>44850024
>gen 8
Galarian Charizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 23:32:11 No.44851331 Report

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>>44845139
To be fair, there's not a lot of other ways to give a Dragon mon a 4x weakness.
I know a 4x weakness isn't a strict rule to being a pseudo, but it's better for balance.

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