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Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 22:26:46 No.44850851 View View Reply Original Report

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QotT: Are you playing S6 now or are you prepping a S5 team for the Player's Cup 2 qualifiers?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 22:32:28 No.44850882 Report

Quoted By: >>44865278

>Are you playing S6 now or are you prepping a S5 team for the Player's Cup 2 qualifiers?
All S6 here baybeeee
things are getting busier so I can't big brain for S5 and the only tech I've come up with is Tentacruel to mog rapid shifu, primarina and wannabe coals

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 22:46:12 No.44850979 Report

Quoted By: >>44850995

Hi. So I'm pretty new to VGC. I started actually playing last week and I've peaked around 1560 on the showdown ladder but I want to atleast reach 1700. I made a PorygonZ team but it's gotten old so I need help on furthering my skill. I want to make an Iron Defense Ferrothorn team and a Trick Room team. Any pointers on how to do those? Should I make it a Trick Room team with Ferrothorn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 22:48:27 No.44850995 Report

Quoted By: >>44851005

>>44850979
>Should I make it a Trick Room team with Ferrothorn?
You could, but it's not necessary. Fat balance is enough to run Body Pressthorn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 22:50:01 No.44851005 Report

Quoted By: >>44851127

>>44850995
Ahhh ok. Any pointers on how to do Ferrothorn balance then?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 23:03:48 No.44851098 Report

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Are we practicing for players cup 2? Any takers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 23:07:24 No.44851127 Report

Quoted By: >>44851155

>>44851005
>https://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/pokemon-players-cup/vgc-finals-results/
Should give you an idea on what people generally did with Ferro. Mostly straightforward using the usual hard hitting suspects + 1-2 fastmons for support or pick offs. These typically send out Ferro last or as backup though and Ferro worked better there for Bo3s.
Just replace the banned mons with something functionally similar if you're playing s6 (like Arcanine for Incin).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 23:10:05 No.44851155 Report

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>>44851127
Thanks :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 23:50:35 No.44851460 Report

Quoted By: >>44851505 >>44851646

>>44850851
How can people practice for the players' cup if the ladder is series 6, but the cup is series 5?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 23:55:34 No.44851505 Report

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>>44851460
showdown

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 00:03:46 No.44851566 Report

Quoted By: >>44851724 >>44865297

I'm shiny hunting this based lad. Who pairs with him well on VGC? I was thinking Talonflame and/or Water Urshifu

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 00:17:54 No.44851646 Report

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>>44851460
In this thread, would you like to battle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 00:28:43 No.44851724 Report

Quoted By: >>44858586

>>44851566
Redirectors like Clefairy to take the heat off him
Competitive/Defiant users to dissuade Intimidate from neutering him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 00:29:31 No.44851728 Report

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>>44850851
quality of that picture perfectly represents the quality of gen 8

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 00:59:53 No.44851892 Report

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>hop in on s5 late
>don't have metamons, make niche team
>s6 arrives, make meme shit
>player's cup opens back up immediately and on s5
wait for me brehs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 01:02:34 No.44851909 Report

Quoted By: >>44851954

Im thinking support Vileplum in the sun with After You, Teeter Dance, and/or Sleep Powder. Any recs to put in this combo?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 01:09:07 No.44851954 Report

Quoted By: >>44852036

>>44851909
You better run strength sap if you're running vileplume

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 01:24:08 No.44852036 Report

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>>44851954
Good thinking. May sac Teeter or Powder for that. 100% double confusion or single target 70% sleep? Sleep just wins games but I have nothing to help my accuracy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 01:43:57 No.44852117 Report

Quoted By: >>44852387 >>44854069

We wait... every day is a day closer

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 02:17:27 No.44852387 Report

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>>44852117
Soon, brother, very soon. I have a SunRoom team that I'm dying to try out but I need the frog to make it happen. I've loved the grassium-Z set ever since I first saw it from early SM VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 02:55:49 No.44852785 Report

Quoted By: >>44861881

I just saw a Fake Out/Last Resort Kangaskhan on Cybertron's channel today. I know people give shit for copying memes or gimmicks they see off the big channels, but I kind of want to fuck with this a lot.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 05:09:38 No.44854069 Report

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>>44852117
I'm more excited for this guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 05:23:09 No.44854166 Report

Quoted By: >>44854172

How does this work with max? Always Max Lightning?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 05:24:31 No.44854172 Report

Quoted By: >>44854815

>>44854166
Fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 07:17:10 No.44854815 Report

Quoted By: >>44855539

>>44854172
Moves that change type become the other Max move, so it'd probably become Darkness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 10:23:36 No.44855539 Report

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>>44854815
It would be cool for it to become Dark-type, but have the same effect as Max Lightning.
They could've also had Hidden Power do that and not removed it. Just have it always be Max Strike, but in whatever type you want.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 12:01:17 No.44855963 Report

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>>44850851
Yeah, I think Sejun team kinda based

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 12:11:05 No.44856010 Report

Quoted By: >>44856549

>>44850851
Yeah, I think Sejun team kinda based

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 14:04:52 No.44856549 Report

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>>44856010
How the FUCK can you live off of Icy Wind and Gust outside of Max, does WP just carry that set?

Natalie

Natalie Thu 17 Sep 2020 14:35:06 No.44856765 Report

Quoted By: >>44858457

>>44850851
Inteleon is the best and most attractive starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 19:05:10 No.44858457 Report

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>>44856765
Inteleon is the only starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 19:25:19 No.44858586 Report

Quoted By: >>44859540 >>44872304

>>44851724
Clefairy gets BTFO by everything though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 21:39:20 No.44859540 Report

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>>44858586
That's not true at all. It isn't as bulky as Dusc or P2 but if you aren't hitting it for base bullshit or stab steel, it can tank good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 21:48:38 No.44859624 Report

Quoted By: >>44859685 >>44860468

Tangentially related to VGC: what’s the best core/archetype based on a legendary/mythical that you can use in casual doubles? casual battles are the only cart-based format that allows legendaries, so I occasionally throw together a team to try them out online. TR Melmetal and psyspam Mewtwo with Indeedee are both top-tier. What else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 21:56:29 No.44859685 Report

Quoted By: >>44859754

>>44859624
Zacian/Indeedee/Milotic
If only Kyogre/Groudon/Xerneas/Smeargle were in thr game now...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 22:00:23 No.44859718 Report

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Anyone want a s5 battle? I could do with the practice for the players cup

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 22:04:38 No.44859754 Report

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>>44859685

That sounds downright oppressive. Nice. And luckily we’re only a few months away

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 23:51:23 No.44860468 Report

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>>44859624
Wait until Groudon and Kyogre come back and make a weather team with them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 03:04:57 No.44861881 Report

Quoted By: >>44861891 >>44872352

>>44852785
Is Fake Out Kanga a good answer to Dragapult trying to surf on Coalossal?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 03:07:02 No.44861891 Report

Quoted By: >>44862651

>>44861881
Yeah, but they will 100% call that shit out

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 05:22:49 No.44862651 Report

Quoted By: >>44862657 >>44865000

>>44861891
I mean, is there anything they can do to stop you?
Kanga gets priority, makes Dragapult unable to do anything, and Kanga's partner can KO or afflict a status onto Coalossal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 05:24:51 No.44862657 Report

Quoted By: >>44864101

>>44862651

They can double protect and pull it off on the second turn. Do you even play Pokemon, anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 11:29:43 No.44863968 Report

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Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 11:54:18 No.44864101 Report

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>>44862657
Support Dragapult never runs Protect, but even if they do, preventing Surf on turn 1 is enough to give you the upper hand against Coalossal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 14:15:54 No.44865000 Report

Quoted By: >>44868863

>>44862651
They can Dynamax Dragapult and Protect/switch Coalossal, especially if it’s a more offensive Pult variant (we’ve seen those in Players Cup 1). That lead has millions of possible turn 1 plays, don’t rely on weak meme shit like Kang to counter it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 15:03:40 No.44865278 Report

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>>44850882
are you bulldozing your own weakness policy tentacruel

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 15:06:02 No.44865297 Report

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>>44851566
fast fire types shit on him, so bring rain (pelipper/politoed)

also, redirecters like clef and amoongus/volcarona, just watch out for heatwave, in which case you switch in politoed

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 19:22:30 No.44867230 Report

Quoted By: >>44867404 >>44867491 >>44867516

Is there anyway to make this cake viable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 19:49:47 No.44867404 Report

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>>44867230
Having Aroma Veil is just a super anti-sleep passive. It gets Decorate, a godly support move. Based on these I'd argue it would work as a strange support, though a 110spA isn't anything to laugh at either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 20:02:30 No.44867491 Report

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>>44867230
It's good for stalling out lapras but that's about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 20:06:32 No.44867516 Report

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>>44867230
Gigantamax or just Alcremie? The latter is a decent Lapras support with Decorate and Sweet Veil.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 22:55:46 No.44868863 Report

Quoted By: >>44868963 >>44871854

>>44865000
>especially if it’s a more offensive Pult variant
Isn't an offensive Pult kind of a bad idea when the main thing you're using it for is attacking your own mon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 23:07:32 No.44868963 Report

Quoted By: >>44870268

>>44868863
offensive pult is usually physical no? So you're still getting a -spa nature and 0 spa IVs to do minimum surf damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 01:44:54 No.44870268 Report

Quoted By: >>44870320 >>44870344

>>44868963
Dragapult's physical ghost STAB is kinda shit, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 01:52:32 No.44870320 Report

Quoted By: >>44870344

>>44870268
phantom force is fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 01:55:57 No.44870344 Report

Quoted By: >>44870360

>>44870320
>>44870268
Phantom Force is a good move but inconvinient. Dragon Claw in the best doubles dragon move it gets, unless you want to roll with Dragon Rush's low accuracy. For the fastest pseudo-legend, I say it's a decent trade off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 01:57:08 No.44870360 Report

Quoted By: >>44870375

>>44870344
never seen dragon claw once, it's all darts

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 01:58:44 No.44870375 Report

Quoted By: >>44871607

>>44870360
fuck, that's what I meant to say. There are pros and cons to the smart targeting, but the most advantageous is when 1 undesirable enemy protects so it doubles into the desired target, hardly happens that way though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 05:19:12 No.44871607 Report

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>>44870375
I do love Dragon Darts's smart targeting.
It basically always does the best thing in every situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 06:03:31 No.44871854 Report

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>>44868863
There are Coalossal teams designed to prey on you expecting the standard WP Coal/Support Pult lead, instead being a WP/LO Pult and Sash Coalossal for example. Semi offensive Dragapults with 2 physical attacks+Surf+filler are also possible, these all exists to extend the number of possible turn 1 plays for the Coalossal player.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 07:48:58 No.44872304 Report

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>>44858586
252+ SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Clefairy in Psychic Terrain: 265-313 (77 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Clefairy is shockingly bulky.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 07:58:39 No.44872340 Report

Quoted By: >>44872360 >>44872374 >>44872379

>entrainment doesn't work on dynamaxed pokemon
For what FUCKING reason?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 08:01:57 No.44872352 Report

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>>44861881
Primarina + P2 is usually a good answer, pick off dragpult with max star-fall, set a TR and wreck coalossal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 08:05:12 No.44872360 Report

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>>44872340
For the same reason 99% of shit doesn't work against Dynashit.
I truly cannot wait until Gen 9.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 08:09:56 No.44872374 Report

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>>44872340
Dynamax is a finite resource and Gamefreak REALLY doesn't want people to have their Dynamaxes wasted by cheese and inevitably get pissy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 08:12:05 No.44872379 Report

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>>44872340
Ability shifts that involve another mon don't work (Skill Swap, Entrainment, Mummy etc.)
Independent stuff works fine (Simple Beam, Gastro Acid)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 09:09:15 No.44872517 Report

Quoted By: >>44872534

I wish showdown would use the series 6 rules for the ladder
Makes it hard to test teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 09:14:43 No.44872534 Report

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>>44872517
Isnt there a seperate ladder for S6? Battle Stadium Doubles or something like that?

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