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How is Cinderace not a Mary Sue mon?

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 03:51:02 No.44941357 View View Reply Original Report

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>Gets Protean rip
>Free STAB on literally everything
>Access to quite frankly bullshit coverage
>Minmaxed stats perfectly built around the moves it gets and playstyle
>"Coincidentally" introduced in a Generation where mons can get Stealth Rock immunity.
>Has the option to straight up remove hazards

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 03:52:04 No.44941366 Report

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>>44941357
I don't care, I love him anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 03:53:31 No.44941371 Report

Quoted By: >>44941381 >>44942688

>>44941357
Do you not know what a Mary Sue is?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 03:54:03 No.44941376 Report

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>>44941357
He is just a Diet Lucario

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 03:54:46 No.44941380 Report

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>>44941357
>this is minmaxed to /vp/
M-Beedrill is the bottom line for minmaxmons. this is a pretty balanced spread.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 03:54:52 No.44941381 Report

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>>44941371
Yeah. It has no reason being as strong as it is .

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:12:10 No.44941463 Report

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>>44941381
That's not what Mary Sue means. A Mary Sue is an author's overpowered perfect character (usually it's a self insert) in a work of fiction (generally fanfiction) they use for wish fulfillment.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:20:04 No.44941507 Report

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>>44941357
No, it is not. Please look up the definition of a Mary Sue. You retard.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:23:15 No.44941523 Report

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>>44941357
It's not a Mary Sue, but it is busted for the sake of shilling. Which I guess it needs to be broken considering how much it's design sucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:24:11 No.44941530 Report

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>>44941380
/vp/ thinks properly distributed stats are minmaxed and legit minmaxing is "minmaxed in a vacuum"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:27:23 No.44941547 Report

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>>44941463
>author's overpowered perfect character
So Cinderace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:29:19 No.44941560 Report

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>>44941380
>M-Beedrill is the bottom line for minmaxmons
No it isn't you retard. Min/maxing is relative. Compared to other starters it absolutely is min/maxed. It's just Infernape but with its Sp. Atk dumpstered for higher speed and higher attack. And Inteleon is literally just Sceptile but with 20 points in Sp. Def dumped into Sp. Atk.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:41:16 No.44941631 Report

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>>44941357
It's arguable whether a Pokemon can even be a Mary Sue, but if it can, Cinderace definitely is one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:45:12 No.44941659 Report

Quoted By: >>44941668

>>44941560
Min/maxing is not relative. Minmaxing is literally only investing in the useful stats. Cinderace has 75 in both defenses (while not great they're not paper thin). Kartana is minmaxed (and no, there's no such thing as "minmaxing in a vacuum). Fuck, even Heliolisk is closer to minmaxed than Cinderace is.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:45:52 No.44941667 Report

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>>44941560
learn what minmaxing is you fucking retard

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:45:54 No.44941668 Report

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>>44941659
>Min/maxing is not relative
Yes it is. By this dumbfuck logic Beedrill isn't min/maxed either because its stats aren't 1/255/1/1/1/255.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:46:55 No.44941675 Report

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>>44941667
You first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:48:43 No.44941689 Report

Quoted By: >>44941695 >>44941713 >>44941723

>Most bunnyfucking NPCs here casually forgets how Cinderace got a unique Dynamax animation cutscene not seen in any other Pokemon
>NOOO MY BUNNY ISN'T AN INSTRUMENT OF WOKENESS

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:49:43 No.44941695 Report

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>>44941689
what

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:52:41 No.44941713 Report

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>>44941560
i just fail to see how cinderace having 11 and 12 points up on infernape’s speed and attack respectively is minmaxing and not just standard power progression.
>>44941689
all 3 galar starters as well as blastoise and venusaur recieved unique animations for their GMAX

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:53:27 No.44941719 Report

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>>44941713
>GMAX
Dynamax and G-Max are different

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:53:52 No.44941723 Report

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>>44941689
I dunno what you mean but everything has a roar animation after dynamax and when you beat a leauge member.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:54:54 No.44941728 Report

Quoted By: >>44941734

>>44941719
what’s the unique dynamax animation? the roar? because every pokemon has the roar and they use it for wild battle intros and gym battle/league victories

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:55:42 No.44941732 Report

Quoted By: >>44941741

>>44941713
>I fail to see how minimizing a stat the pokemon doesn't care about to maximize another stat the pokemon does care about is min/maxing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:56:02 No.44941734 Report

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>>44941723
>>44941728
Exactly. Cinderace's roar got different camera angle than every other Pokemon. I wonder why.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:57:23 No.44941739 Report

Quoted By: >>44941742 >>44941758 >>44941763 >>44941819 >>44941852 >>44942726

>why she got special treatment guys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:57:52 No.44941741 Report

Quoted By: >>44941755 >>44941759

>>44941732
>every starter has to be a mixed attacker none of them can specialize in anything
why

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:58:15 No.44941742 Report

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>>44941739
does it matter

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 04:58:52 No.44941745 Report

Quoted By: >>44951875

With pyro ball being as long as it is it makes it look even dumber. Snipe shot is showing off inteleons eyes but having to kick the stone that much seems impractical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:00:02 No.44941755 Report

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>>44941741
Because autists are mad when one Pokémon is more viable than others.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:00:31 No.44941757 Report

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>>44941742
yes. proving that masuda intended to mary suing bugs bunny. but accidentally made grass monke king instead.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:00:35 No.44941758 Report

Quoted By: >>44941772 >>44941891

>>44941739
Because he's fucking cool and that's all that matters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:00:39 No.44941759 Report

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>>44941741
>min/maxing doesn't exist
why

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:00:46 No.44941763 Report

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>>44941739
>she

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:01:48 No.44941769 Report

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>>44941757
that's not a mary sue

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:02:14 No.44941772 Report

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>>44941758
>the bunnyfuckers finally revealing themselves after failing to protecc the memebunny as anons

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:02:50 No.44941778 Report

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>>44941366
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:05:44 No.44941799 Report

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>>44941757
>banned in fanfic and official meta
Yea, I'm thinking he's based.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:05:49 No.44941800 Report

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>>44941772
>protecc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:06:58 No.44941811 Report

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>>44941778
Oh no not the round and thin legs! Dragapult open your eyes!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:08:32 No.44941819 Report

Quoted By: >>44941842

>>44941739
>Spergs are actually getting pissy over a fucking camera angle
Christ

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:12:19 No.44941841 Report

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>>44941357
That's not Mary Sue means, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:12:21 No.44941842 Report

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>>44941819
10 Tencent points have been credited to your account

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:13:57 No.44941847 Report

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>>44941842
Nice! Thanks!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:14:50 No.44941852 Report

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>>44941739
you probably won’t like this answer but this was most likely done due to the nature of cinderace’s roar animation which is unlike anything else in the game. however it is worth nothing that it’s not the only camera angle change. all galar starters GMAX forms got camera angle changes for their roars when no other GMAX has, including urshifu and the kanto starters

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:15:52 No.44941859 Report

Quoted By: >>44942517

>>44941357
Cinderace has a boring and uninspired design

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:17:47 No.44941869 Report

Quoted By: >>44942006

>>44941852
I like your answer ironically. But still can't shrug off the feeling that masuda planned something for cinderace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:21:50 No.44941891 Report

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>>44941758
no its not

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:34:50 No.44941970 Report

Quoted By: >>44948102

>>44941366
>him

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:43:21 No.44942006 Report

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>>44941869
I mean, Masuda's favorite from XY, a game he actualy directed, Fenekkin, got jackshit and is significantly weaker than the other two. SwSh is Ohmori's game.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 05:45:39 No.44942018 Report

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you should just admit you used the wrong concept to describe him op

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 06:00:13 No.44942092 Report

Quoted By: >>44942099 >>44945392

>>44941547
How is Rock not a Mary Sue?
>It beats Scissors

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 06:02:13 No.44942099 Report

Quoted By: >>44942104 >>44945392

>>44942092
How is Paper not a Mary Sue?
>It beats Rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 06:03:42 No.44942104 Report

Quoted By: >>44942163 >>44945392

>>44942099
How is Scissors not a Mary Sue?
>It beats Paper

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 06:19:42 No.44942163 Report

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>>44942104
How is Cinderace not a Mary Sue?
>She beats Rillaboom

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 06:56:01 No.44942309 Report

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>>44941463
So basically us in every Pokemon game. lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 07:44:43 No.44942517 Report

Quoted By: >>44950261 >>44952408

>>44941859
well at least it isn't hideous like Delphox or straight up unfunctional like Samurott

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 08:09:31 No.44942622 Report

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>>44941357
It's not a self-insert.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 08:21:44 No.44942688 Report

Quoted By: >>44944363

>>44941371
ash's greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 08:28:14 No.44942726 Report

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>>44941739
>soccer season
>soccer player

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 08:51:23 No.44942849 Report

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>>44941380
>autolosing to every priority move is minmaxed
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 09:06:11 No.44942913 Report

Quoted By: >>44943008 >>44950192

Protean doesn't make a 'mon OP retard. Look at Kecleon for fuck's sake.
Sounds like you're just mad you picked the non-shilled starter and can't deal with that fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 09:24:15 No.44943008 Report

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>>44942913
>Protean doesn't make a 'mon OP retard
it does when it's already powerful, fast, and has a good movepool. It's effectively a free non-move locking choice band for every non-STAB attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 09:32:27 No.44943075 Report

Quoted By: >>44944333 >>44946837

>>44941380
>119 speed
>116 attack
>isn't minmaxed
Are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 09:36:44 No.44943099 Report

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>>44941357
Isn't Cinderace just long ear Blaziken?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 14:12:02 No.44944330 Report

Quoted By: >>44945401 >>44950449

>pokemon has higher than 100 base stats on actual useful stats for its role (attack/spa+speed)
>not many points wasted on the useless offensive side
/vp/: WTF MINMAXED

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 14:12:53 No.44944333 Report

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>>44943075
Always look at ultra beasts to know what min maxed is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 14:18:04 No.44944363 Report

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>>44942688
Mary Sue won't die from an attack that you have type advantage over it. Greninja is a shitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 16:48:03 No.44945392 Report

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>>44942092
>>44942099
>>44942104
How is Gun not a Mary Sue?
>Beats Rock, Paper and Scissors

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 16:49:18 No.44945401 Report

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>>44944330
>>pokemon has higher than 100 base stats on actual useful stats for its role (attack/spa+speed)
Infernape does this yet Cinderace still has way higher attack and speed than it. It absolutely is min/maxed you retard.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 17:31:08 No.44945716 Report

Quoted By: >>44945817 >>44948548 >>44950203

>>44941357
Cinderace is based and TPC wants you to know

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 17:43:48 No.44945817 Report

Quoted By: >>44948548

>>44945716
>Boasts some of the best skills among all Pokemon when it comes to explosive force, jumping ability and kicking power.
Based AF

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 17:53:45 No.44945885 Report

Quoted By: >>44948769

we want the greninja audience

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 20:11:34 No.44946837 Report

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>>44943075
>lower attack than rillaboom
>lower speed than intelleon (who also has 125 in its prioritized stat)
not everything is a mixed attacker for no reason and there’s nothing wrong with that. cinderace is fast and hits hard, but it’s hardly been minmaxed

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 21:49:41 No.44947605 Report

Quoted By: >>44947824

>>44941357
Libero makes no sense as an ability. How can the soccer rabbit switch types like a literal chameleon and a ninja frog can? Not to mention that it's busted on that thing because of it's movepool.

It's HA should've been either something like this:
>Penalty
>If the Pokemon is knocked out through direct damage, the attacker is forced to switch.
Or something like this:
>Iron Legs
>Powers up kicking moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 22:15:05 No.44947824 Report

Quoted By: >>44948069

>>44947605
They could of even made Libero something along the lines of once while its in the field, it gets a secondary type if it uses a move of a different type from the user which keeps to the idea of what Libero is in football, at least it would make it stand out on its own without being a near rip off of Greninja on a gameplay level.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 22:15:52 No.44947829 Report

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>>44941366
her*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 22:49:14 No.44948069 Report

Quoted By: >>44950512

>>44947824
Personally, I don't like type changing abilities. Protean on Kecleon is the one exception, because it makes both makes sense theme-wise and Kecleon itself doesn't become broken with it. Greninja and Cinderace should have different abilities.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2020 22:54:54 No.44948102 Report

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>>44941970
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 00:02:53 No.44948548 Report

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>>44945716
>>44945817
They did the same shit with Greninja and Incinwroar they know what there doing

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 00:33:28 No.44948769 Report

Quoted By: >>44948803 >>44950244 >>44950892

>>44945885
I am part of the Greninja audience and they succeeded, I love Cinderace too.

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 00:37:15 No.44948803 Report

Quoted By: >>44948812

>>44948769
You mean, you are an eternal manchild?

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 00:38:46 No.44948812 Report

Quoted By: >>44950519 >>44952105

>>44948803
Nah, I'm a girl so it's okay

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 03:51:24 No.44950192 Report

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>>44942913
>Protean doesn't make a 'mon OP retard
It does on a mon that isn't shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 03:53:55 No.44950203 Report

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>>44945716
>an attack that's hard to evade
>only 90% accuracy

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 04:01:08 No.44950244 Report

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>>44948769
Same

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 04:04:25 No.44950261 Report

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>>44942517
Shut up and take it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 04:37:12 No.44950449 Report

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>>44944330
I'd say 115 is the cutoff

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 04:47:20 No.44950512 Report

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>>44948069
Only sane person itt

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 04:48:23 No.44950519 Report

Quoted By: >>44950955

>>44948812
The eternal tranny, got it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 04:53:33 No.44950546 Report

Quoted By: >>44950640 >>44951842 >>44952073

>>44941357
>Access to quite frankly bullshit coverage

This. How the fuck does a soccer play rabbit learn Zen Headbutt, Iron Head, and Gunk Shot? I can understand it getting the head moves because soccer plays do use their heads to hit the ball with, but it already got Headbutt it covers the reference enough.

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 05:09:14 No.44950640 Report

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>>44950546
Gunk Shot

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 05:46:16 No.44950892 Report

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>>44948769
Not that im nitpicking or anything but Cinderace is actually taller then Greninja

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 05:56:07 No.44950955 Report

Quoted By: >>44952126 >>44952426

>>44950519
Whatever makes you sleep better at night

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 08:45:10 No.44951842 Report

Quoted By: >>44954075

>>44950546
Even though soccer players do hit the ball with their heads, I'd still say Cinderace's moves are bullshit.
Why does it get access to so many contact moves when contact is usually a foul in soccer?

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 08:53:23 No.44951875 Report

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>>44941745
I always found it weird that the angle where you see the eye close doesn't show the other eye

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 09:46:06 No.44952073 Report

Quoted By: >>44954407

>>44950546
Zen headbutt

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 09:50:50 No.44952102 Report

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>so many Cinderace apologists in this thread
We get it, you started with Scorbunny so you get mad when people call it out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 09:51:23 No.44952105 Report

Quoted By:

>>44948812
dilate

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 09:54:22 No.44952126 Report

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>>44950955
burn in the fires shillmon victim

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 10:58:58 No.44952408 Report

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>>44942517
Just because you don’t like the execution doesn’t mean it’s unfunctional

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 11:04:18 No.44952426 Report

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>>44950955
Based

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 15:24:12 No.44954075 Report

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>>44951842
It should absolutely not be able to learn U-Turn, for one. If they're giving it all this power, it absolutely shouldn't get an attack that lets it switch out immediately after.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 15:58:45 No.44954407 Report

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>>44952073
That's iron head

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 16:13:19 No.44954525 Report

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>>44941357
Ofc burguerfags can't into soccer, the quintessential competitive activity. It's ok, can't be the best at everything. Call back when you win something that's not one of those concacaf tea parties, hahahaha

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 16:26:41 No.44954642 Report

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Don't forget about his 120 power signature move with no drawback

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