>>44947535>The moves aren't dead weight though, except for DefogCut is redundant with Strength.
Fly takes two turns up.
Rock Smash is awfully weak.
Rock Climb is unaccurate as fuck.
Surf and Waterfall share a type but one is special and another physical, so at least one of them will be dead weight in your team.
In most circumstances there will be plenty moves you'd rather see in your mons instead, and yet you're forced to use sub-optimal movesets because of a cumbersome piece of gameplay. It's a stupid restriction that doesn't encourage you to be creative, but rather exploit the system through HM slaves.
>The rest can still be used to take down enemies.You can use almost anything to take down enemies, as long as it has an attack value.
>This is a children's game,"The main target audience are children" is NOT an excuse for poor design. On the contrary - it's cumbersome and boring as fuck for the children too, no wonders they eventually removed HMs.
>You can run suboptimal or downright shit movesets and be just fine.In other words there are TWO problems: HMs at one side and the awful balance at the other.
>It's a non-issue but zoomers just want to start the game with competitive-level movesets.Strawman + ad hominem.
The issue is not the starting moveset. The issue is that eventually you need to choose between a more optimal moveset vs. something that doesn't annoy the shit out of you because you need to transfer mons from the boxes over and over because of a fucking tree.
(I'm not even a zoomer, I played Red as it was released.)
