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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 03:52:41 No.45072086 View View Reply Original Report

Why is modern Gamefreak so bad at model design?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 03:55:25 No.45072102 Report

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I thought Creatures make the models
Most of these models would be forgiven it had a complex animation loop

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 03:55:55 No.45072109 Report

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Blame Creatures, they make them. Ishihara skimping on costs again, likely.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 03:56:35 No.45072114 Report

Quoted By: >>45072141 >>45073034 >>45073288 >>45073298 >>45073304 >>45073916 >>45074631

Why is modern Gamefreak so bad at sprite design?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 03:58:14 No.45072127 Report

Quoted By: >>45072145 >>45075306

>>45072086
>>45072086
Gamefreak (well Creatures Inc but whatever) is just adapting the Sugimori art to a T. The sprites, particularly the older ones would take liberties for a variety of reasons. That's why the models look so washed out, it's trying to replicate how Sugimori colors

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 03:58:25 No.45072128 Report

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>>45072086
Hoppip used to be brown and now it's pink and stupid. Basically nearly every old pokemon got washed out in color

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 04:00:02 No.45072141 Report

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>>45072114
READ the image dumbass. Yes Crystal feraligatr looks better than rse and beyond.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 04:00:15 No.45072145 Report

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>>45072127
In the case of Gens 1/2 the sprites were created first and Sugimori drew them out later

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 04:05:14 No.45072185 Report

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>>45072086
typhlosion the banana

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 04:20:59 No.45072273 Report

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>>45072141
I don't know, RSE Feraligatr looks like it still has soul and still looks like a freak abomination. Lesser sized head, yes, but still SOUL.

It's only in DP where Feraligatr really loses mass and looks so bland.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 04:28:46 No.45072302 Report

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>>45072086
Honestly looks the best in HG/SS and the worst in R/S/E

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 04:30:21 No.45072311 Report

Quoted By: >>45072327

Gen 3 Feraligatr is so kino it only needs a few fixes to make it a masterpiece.

>>45072273
>Lesser sized head
It's bigger, compare the two in Photoshop next time dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 04:33:18 No.45072327 Report

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>>45072311
>lol just readd the toriyama eyes and add stupid worthless minor pixels!
If that's what you think makes a good Pokemon sprite then thanks for showing me that this board is the last place I should go to for discussing Pokemon

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 04:35:43 No.45072338 Report

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>>45072086
I HATE what they did to Hitmonlee.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 04:36:48 No.45072345 Report

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>>45072338
It's now a shell with creature inside

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 04:37:01 No.45072347 Report

Quoted By: >>45073049 >>45075316

Final G/S already neutered Feraligatr's soul.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 04:54:50 No.45072436 Report

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>>45072273
That's the HGSS sprite. This is DP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 06:40:58 No.45072979 Report

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>>45072086
Because modern Gamefreak is bad at everything.
Except riding on their past successes and brand recognition. They're great at that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 06:55:33 No.45073024 Report

Quoted By: >>45075513

>>45072086
I actually love HGSS Feraligatr and I started Pokemon with Crystal as Gatr as my first partner (he's currently my favorite Pokemon) but even as a HGSS Gatr design fan I fucking HATE the Totodile and Gatr models, they look like absolute dogshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 06:58:20 No.45073034 Report

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>>45072114
>abnormal proportions and colors caused by Gameboy limitations
>changed to be portrayed as intended once Gamefreak was free of those limitations
this is just 2 + 2 anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 07:02:49 No.45073049 Report

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>>45072347
>A typical American Alligator
All I needed him to be. Would love to see this in modern Sugimori style.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:15:08 No.45073270 Report

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>>45072086
HGSS Gatr is the best Gatr.
t. actual Gatrfag and not some nostalgiacuck poser

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:16:13 No.45073272 Report

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>>45073034
>good sprites
>changed into bad sprites
this is just 2 + 2 anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:20:10 No.45073288 Report

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>>45072114
>All better, except Ferilligatr.
>Even then the sprite quality is better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:20:43 No.45073291 Report

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>>45073288
>>All better,
The original sprites? Yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:22:11 No.45073298 Report

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>>45072114
All the bottom ones are better though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:22:17 No.45073299 Report

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>>45072145
I have a very hard time believing this, it makes zero sense in any capacity for it to be done this way.
although gamefreak has never made much sense to begin with

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:22:54 No.45073304 Report

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>>45072114
And then they became the dumpster fire 3D models
Will we ever have good sprite quality like gen 2 ever again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:23:37 No.45073306 Report

Quoted By: >>45073312

>>45073298
All the top ones are better though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:23:43 No.45073308 Report

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>>45073291
>Haha cutified preschool scribles better!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:24:17 No.45073309 Report

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>>45072086
Why gen3 always has the worst sprites?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:24:36 No.45073312 Report

Quoted By: >>45073317

>>45073306
They aren't though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:24:39 No.45073313 Report

Quoted By: >>45073334

>>45073308
>Haha generic lifeless garbage better!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:25:40 No.45073317 Report

Quoted By: >>45073331

>>45073312
They are though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:29:50 No.45073331 Report

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>>45073317
Look I knew you grew up with the original Game Boy and everything, but, no, the only thing that might be better is Gengar's color scheme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:30:26 No.45073334 Report

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>>45073313
Yes. Only post-modernist cucks like you disagree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:30:50 No.45073336 Report

Quoted By: >>45073343

>>45073331
Look I knew you grew up with the Nintendo DS and everything, but, yes, the HGSS sprites are generic trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:31:52 No.45073339 Report

Quoted By: >>45073358

>>45073334
Yeah, I agree, the models are better than the sprites

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:32:48 No.45073343 Report

Quoted By: >>45073352

>>45073336
The gen 2 sprites might have been acceptable for the time they were made, but those weird off model chibis are ugly, and no amount of "soul/soulless" shitposting can change that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:32:53 No.45073344 Report

Quoted By: >>45074372

>>45072086
>abnormal proportions and colors caused by Gameboy limitations
>changed to be portrayed as intended once Gamefreak was free of those limitations and moved to models
this is just 2 + 2 anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:33:26 No.45073349 Report

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Nig.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:34:07 No.45073352 Report

Quoted By: >>45073370

>>45073343
>The gen 2 sprites might have been acceptable for the time they were made, but those weird off model chibis are ugly,
Hi zoomzoom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:35:21 No.45073358 Report

Quoted By: >>45073394

>>45073339
The 3D models are brand-approved trash like the HGSS sprites too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:37:49 No.45073370 Report

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>>45073352
Weird I thought it was zoomers who called bannas taped to a wall, and retarded scribbles, better than actually art. I guess it was (you) and yours all along.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:42:46 No.45073394 Report

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>>45073358
Socalist mad, that elites in art produce better art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 08:50:48 No.45073422 Report

Quoted By: >>45074175

Why don't they add all those changes and variations?
Just make multiples, a bit like that slug pokemon or Spinda.
Sort of like a Borderlands gun randomizer, each Pokemon has their own physical differences regardless of combat stats, so even competitively there could be variations.

Plus, making eggs could have you actually breed pokemon not only for their stats but also their looks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 11:08:25 No.45073725 Report

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>>45072086
sugimori is a barneyfag confirmed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 11:11:27 No.45073734 Report

Quoted By: >>45074372 >>45075513

>>45072086
HGSS Feraligatr is my favorite desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 11:51:46 No.45073869 Report

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>>45072338
>>45072345
why does hitmonlee look like a sentient turkey leg in the first place?

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 12:03:33 No.45073916 Report

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>>45072114
old Gengar is perfect, he looked evil and menacing

official Gengar looks retarded

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 12:08:58 No.45073939 Report

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>>45073869

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 12:26:54 No.45073993 Report

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>>45072086
HGSS one is still my favourite and look better proportioned than the rest

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 13:06:07 No.45074163 Report

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>>45072436
kino

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 13:11:09 No.45074175 Report

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>>45073422
Too much work. Same reason why there's only one shiny coloration per pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 13:11:24 No.45074179 Report

Quoted By: >>45074372

>>45072086
The problem was that they gave it a neck. In the GSC sprites the head was practically fused to the body but as early as Stadium games they started to give it a neck. The original color scheme also eclipsed all other versions.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 13:13:05 No.45074183 Report

Quoted By: >>45074689

Ruined shiny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 13:58:31 No.45074372 Report

Quoted By: >>45074384

>>45074179
This
>>45073993
>>45073734
>>45073344
>>45073288
Fuck off giving Feraligatr a neck and making it more bottom heavy ruined its appearance.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 13:59:37 No.45074377 Report

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>>45072086
they're bad at everything
remember when even the animations had soul?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 14:02:28 No.45074384 Report

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>>45074372
nah

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 14:39:06 No.45074570 Report

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>>45073299
It was done like that because they wanted to make sure whatever they came up with looked good on the GB. It was pretty common to do that back in the day; for example Mario's design is because features like a mustache and hat would be more evident in an 8-bit arcade machine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 14:43:32 No.45074598 Report

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>>45072086
Looks alright

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 14:48:06 No.45074631 Report

Quoted By: >>45074642

>>45072086
>>45072114
what kind of fags make these images?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 14:49:28 No.45074642 Report

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>>45074631
People who care about soul aka anti-zoomers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 14:53:45 No.45074672 Report

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>>45073288
Nah, Gengar and Snorlax were better too, but yeah, the rest got improved with their "modern" sprites.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 14:56:11 No.45074689 Report

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>>45074183
>black with purple highlights on the fur
>darker underbelly
>yellow and magenta flames

Such a brilliant shiny, it's a shame too Typhlosion is one of my favourite Pokémon by far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 14:56:45 No.45074693 Report

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>>45072086
Some pokemon designs were meant for sprites and it shows. that doesn't excuse gamefreak of course.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 15:13:01 No.45074785 Report

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>>45073299
A lot of games were made like that back in the day, you only need to look at Atlus for a similar example with the artists creating a ton of character designs with computers/grid paper first to take pixel art limitations into account, and then creating more detailed promotional art based on that later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 16:28:03 No.45075306 Report

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>>45072127
>>45072145
>>45073299
You sure? I know they did for the 3D models, but the old sprites definitely have lots of that sugi-shading to them, like Marowak, Snorlax, and Feraligator earlier in the thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 16:29:13 No.45075316 Report

Quoted By: >>45075484

>>45072347
Sauce on sprite?

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 16:29:33 No.45075318 Report

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>>45072086
I feel like a lot of the Gen 2 pokemon in particular didn't translate well to 3d, or their models just looked bad, like Typhlosion here, or Tyranitar looking like it has a really tiny head

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 16:33:05 No.45075344 Report

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>>45072086
He was such a ripped hulking chad, now he has T-rex arms.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 16:49:21 No.45075438 Report

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>>45072086
Is it really a model problem?
I thought he looked pretty good in pokepark.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 16:57:49 No.45075484 Report

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>>45075316
SpaceWorld 1999 demo

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2020 17:02:35 No.45075513 Report

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>>45073024
>>45073270
>>45073734
>>45073993
HGSS is the best simply because the animation is sync'd with their cry to make a mighty roar. They don't even open their jaws in Gen 5!

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