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Alola games

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:08:58 No.45094372 View View Reply Original Report

Ok, I've heard lots of very mixed opinions on these games, and unlike the mixed opinions on SwSh, both sides actually seem valid.
I need you guys to give me your straight up most truthful take on these games (SM and USUM).
I haven't bought a game since X because gen 6 immediately gave me the impression it wasn't for me anymore, but I've been looking into gen 7 and some of the routes actually look really good, the pokemon selection, both old and new, seems amazing, and the region itself seems really well fleshed out and the fucking cities and their themes seem fucking AMAZING. Like holy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TQvPZJW_sM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcmdI2nIY-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w6FEnNF1jo
I can't speak about the games but the music is maybe the best I've ever heard from the series
Point is I'm seriously debating buying them. Are they worth it? Are they truly THAT soulful? I don't mind rail roading so long as it's not completely unbearable or if the story is good enough.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:09:58 No.45094376 Report

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>>45094372
the first island is fucking painful to get through, the post game is good

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:11:52 No.45094386 Report

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>>45094372
SM is good, especially if you're not completely ADHD like the children on this board are
One of the strongest stories in the mainline games, as well
Soul's a dumb buzzword, but Gen 7 has more developer care put into it than most Pokemon generations

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:12:05 No.45094389 Report

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>>45094372
i liked usum

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:15:27 No.45094402 Report

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>>45094372
>I don't mind rail roading so long as it's not completely unbearable
It is unbearable. You'll get to see "branching" pathways, but always get some bs excuse to only follow one way each time, like
>"sorry, I'm trying to find all the hidden items on this path with my Stoutland, so go this other way instead"
Not to mention, these games have actual cutscenes. It's not just dialogue and some sprites moving around, but you have to sit through loads of unskippable animations and events on top of it. The game is actually a chore.
The maps are also very shit, I don't know how you came to the conclusion that the routes look good. For example, they ran out of time to make a cave before a Totem (Gym) battle, so what happens is that you go through the entrance of a mountain, and it warps you to the top.
You are right that the music is good though, and the art style is improved drastically from Gen 6, but none of the gameplay is. Just stick with HGSS/Gen 5 if you want peak Pokemon experience.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:15:52 No.45094406 Report

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>>45094372
They're really only soulful in visuals and themes. The actual game is cheeks, the towns and routes are some of the worst in the series. Go play USUM if you really have to.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:17:08 No.45094414 Report

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>>45094372
Sun and Moon were not the worst! They were some of the my least favorite games though. I actually encourage you to play it. It will show you the downhill progression that began with X&Y and ended with sword and shield. X&Y were good games that started the 3D era off right. It is the downgrades in the generations that followed that brought the series to the sorry state it currently is. Imagine starting with X&Y and every generation after was improvement! We would probably be sitting on one of the best video games of all time by now for pokemon gen 8. Gen 8 is a sorry existence of what could have been.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:17:29 No.45094418 Report

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>>45094372
a lot of the routes are hallways and the whole region feels pretty small compared to other games
still pretty decent though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:28:06 No.45094497 Report

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>>45094372
Overall great games. Trials are an interestong chamge from gyms and a lot of the time they can be pretty challenging, especially in USUM. Alola is a fun region and both versions of it have large, varied pokedexes. The only downside to the games is that they can feel slow at times, but honestly that didn't bother me. I would put USUM in my top 3 pokemon games, with SM not far behind.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:30:19 No.45094510 Report

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>>45094386
Also, the "le hallway routes" thing is heavily exaggerated. Most routes have optional paths or connect to optional areas, and there's entire areas shitposters ignore

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:33:28 No.45094533 Report

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>>45094510
OP here, can you give me some examples? Based on the first couple routes, the routes seem quite sizable with a decent amount to see, but full maps of most routes aren't on bulbapedo

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:38:30 No.45094562 Report

Quoted By: >>45095001 >>45105356

>>45094372
SM are fine games on their own. Flawed, but good enough to be recognized as part of the franchise.

If you have SM, you should NOT buy USUM and vice versa. USUM introduces 2 new ultra beasts and a crappy minigame, they should not have been sold as new games on their own and should have been DLC. So if you dont have any gen 7 games yet, just go with USUM, you will get slightly more content.

>Muh soulless models
Those have been around since XY, shut up
>Muh Z moves bad
Theyre really not.
>Muh postgame
One of the few valid criticisms
>Muh 50 lillies
You as a player will never notice this
>Muh hallway routes
Yes these games do get a little linear, but there are plenty of forks in most routes and several optional areas. The exploration is still there.
>Muh cutscenes
Also valid. All these put together still leaves them as good games IMO

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 02:41:06 No.45094579 Report

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>>45094372
It was my second favorite game. They changed up the structure, but they nailed it. The new structure creates new but interesting challenges that at times are really freaking hard. The new Pokemon are cool and pretty good overall. Plot gets really good from the middle to the end. Music is excellent. You can get it new for $30 something bucks at Target. Can't recommend it highly enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:08:27 No.45095001 Report

Quoted By: >>45095032 >>45095075

Gen 7 definitely seems rushed. Like, you'll notice whenever areas had to get cut. Gyms got replaced by trials, but again, you can tell trials were rushed (they're as dumb as "spot the difference in these pictures"), and iirc they were programmed in a week or some other ridiculous timeframe because of the deadline. USUM follows the ORAS model for legendaries, in that you just get generic portals to encounter them, as opposed to HGSS and BW2 creating unique thematic areas to encounter previous gen legends.

The only real praise I'll give to Gen 7 is that they shook things up for in-game battles to function like other JRPGs. Things like Pokemon showing up mid-battle as reinforcements to the enemy, and giving boss Pokemon powered up stats to compensate for the player having a functioning brain on their side.
>>45094562
>Those have been around since XY, shut up
Retarded counterargument. If it was bad then, and it wasn't fixed, then it's still bad.
>Z moves bad
>Theyre really not.
They are. Megas in Gen 6, Z-moves in Gen 7, and Dynamax in Gen 8 made the gameplay stale/more casual, because these options are so strong that you practically HAVE to use them. Every game is gonna have these gimmicks happen as a formality.
>Yes these games do get a little linear, but there are plenty of forks in most routes and several optional areas. The exploration is still there.
It's not just routes that are the issue (and there are issues, like getting railroaded the first time in some areas, so you're forced to revisit, which just pads out the game), but dungeon design. Just look at how pathetic Victory Road is, which is a shame since it had one of the best Victory Road themes in the series.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:13:32 No.45095025 Report

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>>45094372
My honest experience:

I got Sun on release, played through it and enjoyed it. I got USun years later, and I can't force myself to finish it. I made it just over halfway through the second island.

If it's your first time playing gen 7, you might not be so critical of all of the interruptions and handholding. If it's not your first time, it is absolutely horrendous. Take the interruptions in XY and amplify it 100 times and you have gen 7. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar. You have no independence, and no, it does not stop after the first island. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Again, the novelty of trying it for the first time should pull you through.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:15:49 No.45095032 Report

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>>45095001
>as opposed to HGSS and BW2 creating unique thematic areas
Almost all the legendaries in BW2 are thrown into preexisting areas that already existed in BW1.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:18:53 No.45095050 Report

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>>45094372
They are meh games that continued the downward spiral of the pokemon games. Next.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:19:32 No.45095056 Report

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>>45095050
Cool brainless NPC opinion. Next.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:21:59 No.45095065 Report

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>>45095056
Cool brainless NPC response. Next.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:22:47 No.45095068 Report

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>>45095056
Scheduled wojak reaction image to follow post. Next.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:24:40 No.45095075 Report

Quoted By: >>45095083 >>45098977

>>45095001
>muh dunjuns
Yeah, they replaced those shitty repetitive hallways with maps that are actually well designed. Based Gen 7.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:26:11 No.45095083 Report

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>>45095075
>They got rid of hallways for more hallways

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:30:15 No.45095093 Report

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Still mad that they gave us Z-Conversion Porygon-Z and then took it away again. My bro finally got to shine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:33:17 No.45095110 Report

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>>45095032
Uh, no?
>Regis got a whole new area
>Heatran got a whole new area
>Sinnoh Lake trio got a mix, but you still have to visit a whole new area
>I wasn't really counting the Gen 5 legends, but even Terrakion got a whole new area
Lati@s and Cresselia are put in old areas, but even that's kinda surprising for the Lati, and it was a pseudo-chase anyways

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:39:13 No.45095131 Report

Quoted By: >>45095164 >>45095170 >>45095197

>>45095110
Uh, yes?
>Zekrom/Reshiram are just shoved into Dragonspiral Tower
>Virizion is shoved into Route 11
>Latios/Latias are just shoved into Dream Yard
>Uxie is just shoved into Nacrene City
>Mesprit is just shoved into Celestial Tower
>Azelf is just shoved into Victory Road
>Cresselia is just shoved into Marvelous Bridge

The only ones they made genuine unique areas for are Heatran and the Regis. USUM had unique areas for all the UBs that appeared in SM, on top of which BW2 doesn't even have as many legendaries as USUM does.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:44:44 No.45095158 Report

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>>45095093
It got plenty of attention in vgc ban list meta

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:45:27 No.45095164 Report

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>>45095131
Even if you count all the Gen 5 legends (which I wasn't, because I was comparing past gen mons becoming available), the ratio's still about half new areas and half old. Azelf is in a new area btw because they made a new path to Victory Road, and that's where he's in.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:47:14 No.45095170 Report

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>>45095131
UBs aren't legendaries

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:53:00 No.45095197 Report

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>>45095131
>on top of which BW2 doesn't even have as many legendaries as USUM does.
What does that have to do with the point? All the legends got shoved into a minigame. They didn't get the new areas OR old locations to be stuffed in.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:53:52 No.45095200 Report

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>>45095164
>the ratio's still about half new areas and half old
Literally only 2 legendaries have dedicated hidden areas to them. The rest are shoved into areas that you already explored in BW2 or 1's campaign. Which is even lazier than USUM since in USUM the UBs have dedicated areas and the legendaries are all in new post-game areas. BW2 doesn't even have half the legendaries available as USUM yet it already needs to lazily shove them into old areas.

>>45095170
doesn't matter, they're still legendary equivalents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:54:55 No.45095204 Report

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>>45095197
>All the legends got shoved into a minigame.
As opposed to lazily being shoved on preexisting parts of the map? Sounds like more effort to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 04:59:04 No.45095228 Report

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>>45094372
The storyline is way too dominant. It’s like, 6 hours of involuntary, un-skippable dialogue. Pokémon distribution is great in USUM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 05:04:27 No.45095247 Report

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>>45095200
They are not lazy. You have to go to completely new areas to unlock the Sinnoh Lake crew even if you fight them in old areas. That's as good as making a new area for them, and in terms of "content" it's more, because you tread through both new and old places at once.
Regis got new maps with new puzzles, I don't know if you forgot that or what.
Heatran is obviously put in a completely new area.
Latis and Cresselia are put in old areas, but they have new puzzles/fetch quests tied to them that is brand new.
Ironic that you consider planned out scenarios/quests to be lazy, but a copy/paste of an Ultra Wormhole encounter for everyone is "effort".

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 05:13:47 No.45095292 Report

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>>45095200
>the UBs have dedicated areas and the legendaries
>USMfags are seriously impressed by Ultra Hallway

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 05:17:16 No.45095312 Report

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>>45095247
>You have to go to completely new areas to unlock the Sinnoh Lake crew
wow, so you go to one new area that was already there in the campaign so you can fight the legendaries in old areas because they were too lazy to make three new areas? Amazing.

>Latis and Cresselia are put in old areas, but they have new puzzles/fetch quests tied to them that is brand new.
Every single USUM legendary is tied to a brand new minigame and the UBs have brand new areas. So it's less lazy than BW2. Having to talk to an NPC to get an item before encountering the Pokemon doesn't make it not lazy.

>>45095292
I'll take Ultra Hallway over
>dude look they put Virizion in Lush Jungle this totally isn't lazy at all!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 05:27:54 No.45095375 Report

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>>45095247
You know, just because Heatran was placed into a campaign area that wasn't in BW1, doesn't mean that area was designed for Heatran alone. You already explore Twist Mountain during the game

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 05:39:22 No.45095424 Report

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>>45095375
The only lore about Reversal Mountain revolves around Heatran though, from it being a place where Heatran goes to rest, to being compared to Stark Mountain. There's no mechanical purpose for it to exist without considering Heatran (unless they decided to put Groudon/Kyogre there for the lava/water gimmick).

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 05:43:02 No.45095436 Report

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>>45094386
I agree with your take

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 05:47:40 No.45095455 Report

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>>45095312
>wow, so you go to one new area that was already there in the campaign so you can fight the legendaries in old areas because they were too lazy to make three new areas? Amazing.
Retard. They made the new areas, and they still gave you a fetch quest on top of it to explore other areas. That's not being lazy in the slightest.
>Every single USUM legendary is tied to a brand new minigame and the UBs have brand new areas.
They made one minigame to rehash one location for everything, without any thought to flavour. That's the laziest approach they could've taken.
>Having to talk to an NPC to get an item before encountering the Pokemon doesn't make it not lazy.
It took more thought than the portal shit. They made an event that tied in to previous games' lore, meaning they cared enough to think about what would make sense to encounter the legendary, as opposed to "dude here's Suicune/Groudon/Mewtwo in some space portal"
>dude look they put Virizion in Lush Jungle this totally isn't lazy at all!
Gamefreak was so lazy they couldn't even bothered to do this shit and just copy/pasted all the legends in a minigame

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 06:23:31 No.45095644 Report

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>>45094372
in the last 2 months i played through both of them
Ultra version and standard and came to the conclussion that for story purpose sun and moon is better and makes more sense, but for postgame and online battleing/breeding the ultra versions are better music is the same in both versions and music is fucking damn good. only negative point is that every pokemobil you get into a ugly suit and no bike and cycle to breed eggs

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 09:08:30 No.45096309 Report

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>>45094372
I wanted to like SM. I really did.
I liked the new Pokémon designs, and I have a big case of island/jungle fever so a region based on Hawaii seemed made for me.
Unfortunately the game never really just lets you go and have your own fun. It always wants you to cross a hallway and that hallway alone, always wants you to speak to that NPC and that NPC alone, always wants to stop you from playing to show you a boring cutscene, and the extreme linearity isn't even used for anything good.
The core story NPCs are perhaps more deeply written than usual, but that doesn't automatically mean I actually want to care about them. I just want to catch and train mons, fight trainers, and become the best. You know, the core point of the series since day 1.

I got Sun at launch, tried to soldier on until I just dropped the game halfway on island 3 of the 4. Then last summer I picked it up again and after deciding not to simply start over (easily decided against because of all the inane cutscene bullshit you have to sit through) kinda rushed through what was left of it. The only actual fun I had was trying to sweep the flying type E4 member with a severely underleveled Crabominable.

I haven't even mentioned yet all the weird little downgrades like how fishing can only be done in fishing spots instead of just any water tile. Honestly if you found G6 tiring, I'm pretty certain you really won't enjoy G7.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 10:14:32 No.45096472 Report

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>>45094372
Alola was one of the best designed pokemon games but actual game feels flat and rushed.
Just find the artbook and look how many thought designers put in Alola

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 10:15:56 No.45096475 Report

Quoted By: >>45097543 >>45101766

>>45094510
There are TWO areas like that. Desert where you go for tapu bulu and one moutain. Wow.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 10:35:04 No.45096520 Report

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>>45094402
>Gen 5 if you want peak Pokemon experience.

>Gen 5

So close

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 10:40:21 No.45096541 Report

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>>45095455
This is the weirdest cope i ever saw

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 10:40:50 No.45096543 Report

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>>45096309
my biggest gripe is the help mechanic in wild battles and the only specific pokemon that you can catch with this mechanic, first you neeed to use a item to up your chance and then use an attack where only 1 hp is missing so you can get that chance over and over again to get mareanie is so low it took me 1 hour to get one pokemon for my team and as downside my team or fighting pokemon is now overleveld as hell like 4-6 lvl over the next area

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 11:02:41 No.45096606 Report

Quoted By: >>45096645 >>45096909 >>45097751 >>45101864

>>45094372
>Story
The story in original Sun and Moon is pretty good. It doesn't try to be as deep as Black and White but it's a great step up from X and Y's narrative. The story is Sun and Moon is also notably better than the one in USUM. They butchered the story in those games. So if you want a more enjoyable narrative, S/M is the way to go.

>Gameplay
Both are solid experiences. The routes aren't as open as they were in the DS games, but again, they're far more explorable than the ones in Sword and Shield and XY. The slight facelift that USUM gets also adds to the tropical island feeling from a visual perspective. Also, USUM has the Ultra Beast areas, Legendary catching in the postgame, and a wider variety of Pokemon than the base games. That makes the battles and trials a bit more interesting.

>Postgame Content
If you save the sidequests for the endgame, SM actually has a lot of content outside of the main quest. USUM of course has the Rainbow Rocket episode. I actually enjoyed both equally but for different reasons. Rainbow Rocket expands on the lore of the Pokemon universe as a whole but the sidequests in SM expand on the lives of the Alolan people. Again, UB missions are in both, but they're better in USUM

>Overall
For me personally, I'd rather play base game SM because I really hate the narrative of USUM, but from a purely gameplay standpoint, USUM are the better games with a bit more to do in the endgame.
Gen 7 wasn's the best, but it's far from being garbage like SwSh

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 11:11:04 No.45096645 Report

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>>45096606
This is the perfect set of opinions. I wish there was a gen 7 game with the story from vanilla SM and the gameplay/content from USUM.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 11:39:06 No.45096753 Report

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>>45094372
Think of Alola as a summer vacation and the Orange archipelago game we never got only late and as 20th anniversary present, expect links to both Kanto and Johto (all regions really but you'll get why) outside of battling older versions Red and Blue since HGSS, I suggest you picking USUM over the original in that regard. I currently started playing Ultra Sun, it has better pacing than vanilla Sun and because it doesn't follow the traditional gym structure it can do whatever it wants narratively since the island trials are completely unique. The routes feel more alive than Sun and have more nooks and crannies to incentivate backtring and you can earn BP if you decide to Mantine Surf between the islands. Being far from perfect they are definitely better than XY, Z moves are nicely integrated and you can survive without using them unlike gen VI shoehorning megas and almost forcing you to have at least one in your team, even though later in game you can use mega evolutions too.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 11:44:40 No.45096776 Report

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>>45094533
The full view pictures you can find don't make them much justice, when you're actually playing them you can see and feel their size, these aren't small maps in any way.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 12:06:41 No.45096858 Report

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The Alola games are by far the best 3D-era pokemon games, though that's not terribly hard. USM are the most actually balanced games though, Boss trainers actually have EVs which was never a thing ingame outside of battle facilities. Some new madlad was in charge of the games and I hope he gets to do more.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 12:09:27 No.45096870 Report

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>>45094510
>>45094533
Route are in 3D but with a fixed camera, which makes them pain in the ass

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 12:17:28 No.45096909 Report

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>>45096606
T H I S
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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 12:21:07 No.45096926 Report

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Game is boring as fuck. Fell asleep multiple times during the shitty cutscenes.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 13:21:33 No.45097201 Report

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>>45094372
Cut scenes are trash but usum was a too good for that to even matter. Every time I play it I enjoy myself but I also grind my teeth waiting for lily to shut the fuck up. I wish pokemon had no dialogue scenes at all, I always preferred to use my imagination.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 13:46:23 No.45097345 Report

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>>45094372
I’m currentely replaying UM. Its honestly even worse than I remembered. It has the single worst opening of any Pokemon game ever, literally the first 3-4 hours are wasted on characters never shutting the fuck up and never letting you do your own thing. Aside from the horrible pacing, the music is also surprisingly bad, tons of goofy ass themes like Hau’s battle theme and trail clear theme that feel nothing like the gen 1-2 days of Pokemon. Another thing I hate thats specific to the Ultra version are the random difficulty spikes (eg trainers having 3 EV trained high IV Pokemon) which feels super jarring when you spend 95% of the game shitstomping seas of trainers with 1 unevolved Pokemon at their disposal. Finally the little NPC quests are a massive wasted potential - there is no interesting lore, dialouge or reward for completing any of them, dont even bother.

Honestly if you hated XY dont bother with these games either, or SWSH too for that matter. If you absolutely must play one then pick SM since it actually does some key things better than USUM ironically enough (aside from competitive stuff which is completely irrelevant nowadays).

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 14:22:12 No.45097543 Report

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>>45096475
And the entire water half of the first island
And the various areas optional on each route, with some routs like Route 7 being near entirely optional
And a significant chunk of Poni Island

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 14:29:47 No.45097584 Report

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I loved S/M. The first island's a little long-winded but it just keeps ramping up after. The Dex is the most creative in years, the characters are all endearing and the plot is actually kinda great. Diffculty-wise, it's a decent curve even with the Exp Share and Z-Moves offer a gimmick more balanced than Megas while still feeling match-defining. It's why I want to believe in Ohmori; he's got that hunger in him that Gen 3/5 Masuda had, he just needs to go hard.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 14:33:47 No.45097601 Report

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After playing Moon four times, Ultra Sun once, and currently playing through Ultra Sun a second time, I've never really had that much of an issue with cutscenes. The only time I found them to be a nuisance was soft resetting for starters in SM but that was something they fixed in USUM since the cutscene before you get your starter is much shorter than in SM

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 14:37:14 No.45097620 Report

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>>45097345
>tons of goofy ass themes like Hau’s battle theme
yes, lets give a goofy ass character an edgy theme
>Finally the little NPC quests are a massive wasted potential - there is no interesting lore, dialouge or reward for completing any of them, dont even bother.

yes, lets put lore in literally every ascpect of the game because people will definitely care about the side quests

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 14:58:49 No.45097751 Report

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>>45096606

Oh to debunk.

>The story is Sun and Moon is also notably better than the one in USUM. They butchered the story in those games. So if you want a more enjoyable narrative, S/M is the way to go.

The only thing Ultra did that was debatable is taking the Aether Family out of the main spotlight for you and Necrozma.

Otherwise, it humanized Lusamine and gave the family the closure they needed that SM didn't give. SM back tracked on everything right at the end when Lillie ditched her new friends and family to go heal her mother. Who doesn't even get what she did wrong.

>Both are solid experiences. The routes aren't as open as they were in the DS games, but again, they're far more explorable than the ones in Sword and Shield and XY. The slight facelift that USUM gets also adds to the tropical island feeling from a visual perspective. Also, USUM has the Ultra Beast areas, Legendary catching in the postgame, and a wider variety of Pokemon than the base games. That makes the battles and trials a bit more interesting.

Ultra has better pokemon variety, the battles are more complete and there are more things to do beyond the main campaign.

>If you save the sidequests for the endgame, SM actually has a lot of content outside of the main quest. USUM of course has the Rainbow Rocket episode. I actually enjoyed both equally but for different reasons. Rainbow Rocket expands on the lore of the Pokemon universe as a whole but the sidequests in SM expand on the lives of the Alolan people. Again, UB missions are in both, but they're better in USUM

Most of the SM's sidequests are still in Ultra and Ultra added more stuff for the locals of Alola and the side characters. (Characters mother. The kid you tell stories to, etc. Along with Lillie fighting with you in the battle tree and the Family closure.)

I'm sorry, but Ultra are the games we should have gotten, SM were rushed betas.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 15:07:18 No.45097792 Report

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Splitting the game into 4 islands makes the region feel extremely small. They're either a loop or a line.
Also, the game is really in your face with roadblocks and text dumps. There's a shitload of focus on someone despite them doing absolutely nothing of worth all game long. It never ends
There are almost no dungeons to speak of. Any that are in the game are glorified straight lines, or straight lines with a few very short branching paths to get one item. Hell, one cave you enter has a dungeon that doesn't even exist, you warp to the top of the mountain and everyone acts like you went through a dungeon. The closest you really get to a dungeon is another Lost Woods type of area, only now it's filled with Arena Trap pokemon.

I could go on until the text limit twice over, but the whole region feels rushed. If exploration is what you like in pokemon, you won't find it here.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 15:12:41 No.45097823 Report

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>>45097792
>If exploration is what you like in pokemon, you won't find it here
I was playing Ultra Sun yesterday and I had fun searching for totems sticker and sidequests though

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 15:22:39 No.45097898 Report

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>>45094372
I like the story the music the characters and the pokemon design. So SM was the perfect game for me
Also I never reply games so the cutscenes were never a problem
USUM was shit because the story got worse. Lusamine's character ruined, Anabel deleted and the HauxLillie ship retconned so I rather think USUM never happened. Ultra necrozma is cute though but the fact that SS completely got rid of it forever makes me mad

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 17:45:18 No.45098977 Report

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>>45095075

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 20:03:22 No.45100374 Report

Quoted By: >>45100412

>>45097823
>stickers
There's barely any reward. All you get is some mon that can't be sent to any other game that only has a larger size, and nothing else. It reeked of padding.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 20:07:35 No.45100412 Report

Quoted By: >>45100425

>>45100374
>There's barely any reward
Catching monsters in a game about catching monsters isn't a good reward?
>can't be sent to any other game
Not really an issue since I don't plan on transferring them. I wouldn't want to transfer them since no game after gen 7 will have the nat dex

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 20:08:47 No.45100425 Report

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>>45100412
>Catching monsters
you're not catching them, you're just pixelhunting for something you'll dump in the PC and never use. It's the same issue i have with postgames that are just "catch these 90 legendaries"

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 20:30:27 No.45100584 Report

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>>45100425
>you're just pixelhunting
I'd much rather prefer the sticker hunting as opposed to RNG bullshit like honey trees, safari zone, or SOS battles
> you'll dump in the PC and never use
Not me, I plan on using some of since some mons like Salazzle and Araqaunid I have never used in an Alola playthrough before

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 21:30:08 No.45100963 Report

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How fun are the Gen 7 games to Nuzlocke? I never played USUM, but I did get around to hacking my 3DS so I might give them a go

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 21:36:10 No.45101034 Report

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yes hi are there any pokemon games after bw2 that have a "western cowboy desert" area? i havent played anything past bw2.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 22:08:12 No.45101517 Report

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>>45094372
SM is great, one of the hardest, best balanced, well designed difficulties in the franchise (not the best because USUM makes it harder maybe even though some say U-Necrozma battle breaks how well balanced the game was), best story (is Pokémon and it’s not perfect, but it’s the best maybe with BW near), it has great side-quests, great lore, great Pokémon designs, best ambientation, great characters, very good postgame content for a vanilla version, and I love the idea of route masters that was deleted in gen 8, but well... Music is also great.

The bad part is... As the game gives lots of relevance to the story, there’s so many dialogues and cutscenes and some people complains about it (i like them because I like Pokémon trying to tell something interesting apart from the classic go to the gyms and beat the league), the exp share is like an easy mode, I usually turn it on to grind faster, but if you have it on during all the main game it would be easier... The good thing is that you can just turn it off not like in gen 8. And the biggest problem I see is... Festival Plaza, it’s not the worst online method but it sucks so much. It’s annoying have to play with friends through it. But for me the rest is great. SM are great games.

And USUM... Well... I think the story becomes worse and there’s also more mandatory tutorials in the main game, and even more unskippable cutscenes... But if you prefer more content before that... Maybe USUM is the one for you. For me, I prefer SM. And I definitely recommend it to you, great Pokémon games.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 22:12:18 No.45101606 Report

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>>45094372
I wish this had been the first mainline game on an HD console instead of SwSh. It wasn't the best but it was way better than what we have now

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 22:13:24 No.45101628 Report

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>>45094402
Gen 5 what?? Unovaborts always try to shit on Alola because gen 7 has a better story and they cry about it because they thought their shitty N and circle region was going to be the most interesting story all the time.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 22:16:02 No.45101699 Report

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>>45094372

It was very comfy and anime-like, but the difficulty and the constant rail-roading and hand-holding made me realize that they obviously keep catering to kids. It's just not my game anymore (and that's ok), the first generations will always be remembered.

Maybe if gamefreak wasn't such a POS they could make other different games aimed at the older demographic that grew up with their first games.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 22:18:48 No.45101766 Report

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>>45096475
Lmao. No, there are much more optional ways, sometimes it’s just a path, others is a desert, a hidden cave, sea, a mountain, a lake, a cementery... Please if you’re going to complain don’t lie.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 22:22:34 No.45101864 Report

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>>45096606
Black and white
>Deep

lmao

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2020 22:28:21 No.45102022 Report

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>>45101699
The game is well-balanced so you are always same level or a level or two levels low than the main battles. The game knows all the options you have and try to beat you considering those.

Most trainers have great EV’s or IV’s, even natures are much better though than in previous games. Totem Pokémon put you in a 1vs2 situation and have maybe the better IA of the franchise with well-though strategies.

USUM does this even better.

But you say the difficulty is bad. For me this games are very well thought in terms of balance, and I think those points and how strategies are thought are what makes gen 7 games the most balanced and where the worked the difficulty most of the series.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 01:23:16 No.45105331 Report

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>>45094372
I fucking love Alola but if you asked me the issues with it then i got plenty. The first island is so fucking slow, in terms of gameplay its like 20 minutes long yet the sheer amount of cutscenes is like 2 hours long.
And as much as i loved the story, replaying is a fucking chore because man I've seen all this already and i don't care, just let me play the damn game.

All in all gen 7 is still pretty solid and has my favorite characters out of any gen, just needs a damn pacing fix.

I rabbu rirrie chan

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Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 01:25:48 No.45105356 Report

Quoted By: >>45105382

>>45094562
>you as a player will never notice how the game is focused around some dumb bitch and her family problems
if you're blind maybe

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Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 01:28:21 No.45105382 Report

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>>45105356
Not what he was talking about anon. He was talking about how the game had 50 different in game models for Lillie

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