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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:43:23 No.45221784 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>45221928 >>45222029 >>45222209 >>45222662 >>45224264 >>45225104

How are you supposed to use Salamence now that Gen 8 has removed Roost and Defog from its movepool?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:47:05 No.45221834 Report

Quoted By: >>45221854

use chadchomp instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:48:32 No.45221854 Report

Quoted By: >>45221892 >>45225240

>>45221834
No, Garchomp is ugly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:51:58 No.45221892 Report

Quoted By: >>45221922

>>45221854
garchomp is the anatomically correct pokemon, salamance has stumpy legs and stupid paper wings

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:53:07 No.45221915 Report

Quoted By: >>45221952 >>45221955

just transfer one with roost and defog for 20 bucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:53:31 No.45221922 Report

Quoted By: >>45222021

>>45221892
Salamence is an actual dragon, Garchomp is some shark thing with a terrible color scheme and a retarded looking neck and mouth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:53:38 No.45221928 Report

Quoted By: >>45221955

>>45221784
Pay to win and transfer from the real pokemon games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:53:48 No.45221931 Report

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Dragon dance sweeper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:55:18 No.45221952 Report

Quoted By: >>45221967 >>45221971

>>45221915
Won’t the game stop you from using it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:55:33 No.45221955 Report

Quoted By: >>45221967 >>45221971

>>45221915
>>45221928
Using transferred Pokemon in ranked battles requires you to wipe their moveset first and get the Battle Ready Mark

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:56:30 No.45221967 Report

Quoted By: >>45222006 >>45222022

>>45221955
>>45221952
>playing on cart

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:57:04 No.45221971 Report

Quoted By: >>45221991 >>45222006

>>45221952
>>45221955
this has to be a joke right

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:58:53 No.45221991 Report

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>>45221971
Son sit down, your father and I have some truth bombs you aren't prepared to take.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:00:18 No.45222006 Report

Quoted By: >>45222099

>>45221967
>playing fanfic shit

>>45221971
Literally every game since gen 6 doesn't let you use transferred moves.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:00:53 No.45222021 Report

Quoted By: >>45222291 >>45222331

>>45221922
shit taste faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:00:54 No.45222022 Report

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>>45221967
You don't even have any Pokémon if you don't have a cartridge. What's the point of playing a game about collecting and raising monsters when you can't even collect and raise the monsters?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:01:45 No.45222029 Report

Quoted By: >>45222057 >>45222066 >>45222074 >>45223323

>>45221784
You don't need Roost. It's an offensive Pokemon. And Defog was always trash on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:04:03 No.45222057 Report

Quoted By: >>45222086

>>45222029
I want a defensive/utility set that capitalizes on Intimidate and switches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:05:08 No.45222066 Report

Quoted By: >>45222086

>>45222029
Now that mega is gone we need every niche possibility possible

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:05:34 No.45222074 Report

Quoted By: >>45222086

>>45222029
You could use it as a bulky hazard removing phazer with helpful resists and if the opponent didn't have a poison type or spinner you'd bully them out of existence with toxic spikes and fly.

Not that you should, but it was something dank to pull out for fun weekend surprises.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:07:00 No.45222086 Report

Quoted By: >>45222120 >>45222142

>>45222057
Switching is so rare that you're just wasting a team slot doing this.

>>45222066
No you don't. It's effectively just Gyarados but better and Gyarados is already one of the best Pokemon in the game.

>>45222074
Not enough people use hazards to make it worth running.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:07:43 No.45222099 Report

Quoted By: >>45222161

>>45222006
>Literally every game since gen 6 doesn't let you use transferred moves.
It wasn't a big deal because transfer-exclusive moves barely fucking existed, much less actually impactful ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:10:09 No.45222120 Report

Quoted By: >>45222174

>>45222086
Don't have to run it with defog. You can parashuffle with dragon tail, dragon breath, roost, and fly with double toxic spikes out. If your toxic spikes get clears you can start parashuffling them to pieces and if they don't you're building stacks with fly and healing it off with roost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:11:53 No.45222142 Report

Quoted By: >>45222174

>>45222086
>switching is rare
>not enough people run hazards
>dragon coverage > water coverage
???? Are you high?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:13:57 No.45222161 Report

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>>45222099
>It wasn't a big deal because transfer-exclusive moves barely fucking existed,
Yes they did. Every previous game has tutor moves or Pokemon that don't get reintroduced until at least the second release.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:15:06 No.45222174 Report

Quoted By: >>45222195 >>45222344

>>45222120
>You can parashuffle with dragon tail, dragon breath, roost, and fly with double toxic spikes out
You're completely wasting your time running a set like this and it's just going to lose you games.

>>45222142
>>switching is rare
Yes.

>>not enough people run hazards
Yes.

>>dragon coverage > water coverage
Yes, because fewer things in the game resist Dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:16:45 No.45222195 Report

Quoted By: >>45222248

>>45222174
>switching is rare
>fewer things in the game resist dragon than water
Post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:17:41 No.45222209 Report

Quoted By: >>45222308

>>45221784
Why not Scarf Moxie?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:20:15 No.45222248 Report

Quoted By: >>45222371

>>45222195
Post ball rank

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:23:39 No.45222291 Report

Quoted By:

>>45222021
imagine not liking the mence

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:24:29 No.45222308 Report

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>>45222209
>Click Outrage
Walled by every Fairy in existence
>Click EQ
Non-STAB and walled by a lot of stuff
Your only option for sweeping with Scarf Moxie is DWB and that's 80 BP, 90 Accuracy and if anything bulky with Rocky Helmet switches in you die, plus you take Stealth Rock damage because no HDB. Scarf Kartana will do a better job than Scarf Mence in basically any scenario. Basically you should only be running DD with Mence but Dnite nearly completely outclasses it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:26:00 No.45222331 Report

Quoted By:

>>45222021
That's not even Garchomp, it's his better form

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:27:12 No.45222344 Report

Quoted By:

>>45222174
It's about having options to create neat emergent situations in battles, not choosing the best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:29:55 No.45222371 Report

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>>45222248
>non-fanfic meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:32:35 No.45222415 Report

Quoted By: >>45222564

I think a special based set could work alongside rain. Hydropump/Hurricane/Draco Meteor + Filler could work

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:42:54 No.45222564 Report

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>>45222415
Perhaps, but consider the following

Set Sticky web then Baton pass SpD def boosts to an Altaria with cotton guard, roost, power swap, draco meteor. Can't break its def and it can just wreck SpA's by swapping its stat drops onto it.

Fuck shitmance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2020 23:50:04 No.45222662 Report

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>>45221784
>defog in a sweeper
this is not yveltal

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 00:37:13 No.45223323 Report

Quoted By: >>45225064

>>45222029
Mhhhm, I sure do love having less options, thank you based gamefreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 01:47:30 No.45224264 Report

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>>45221784
Play on showdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 03:02:42 No.45225064 Report

Quoted By: >>45225087

>>45223323
Paradoxically, you actually have more options because the best options were removed and new options have been made viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 03:04:22 No.45225087 Report

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>>45225064
There's a fundamental difference between less choices you can take. Period. And more viable meta builds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 03:06:03 No.45225104 Report

Quoted By:

>>45221784
Pure dynamaxer

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 03:08:41 No.45225140 Report

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You run it just like mega Mence because it now has a decent physical flying move as does Dragonite. You use either Intimidate or Moxie depending on if you prefer the added defense or sweeping potential and base the rest of your team on opening up the opponent for you to click dragon dance and sweep with dual wingbeat while dynamaxed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 03:10:52 No.45225161 Report

Quoted By: >>45225173 >>45225232

Why did they remove roost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 03:11:48 No.45225173 Report

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>>45225161
because ''it's broken''

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 03:16:20 No.45225232 Report

Quoted By: >>45225317

>>45225161
they didnt remove roost retards, it's just there is no other way to learning in gen 8 than by level or breeding (no TM or tutors) if you want a mon with roost you need transfer from older gens

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 03:16:59 No.45225240 Report

Quoted By:

>>45221854
Nothing’s as ugly as Salamence

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 03:22:05 No.45225317 Report

Quoted By: >>45226364

>>45225232
>Have to wipe moveset of the transfer or you can't use it in real battles
It's removed in everything but name. It's classic GF design considering they didn't fucking learn from Defog and the other generational move losses. And at least those you could pay out the asshole to transfer things up through the generation hoops. You're just fucked now. It's gone unless you're an injectchad fixing GF kusoge for them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 05:16:31 No.45226364 Report

Quoted By: >>45226421 >>45226475

>>45225317
>And at least those you could pay out the asshole to transfer things up through the generation hoops
Or just inject, which is what everyone did anyway. even in VGC, people injected mons that were hypothetically possible but immensely unlikely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 05:25:14 No.45226421 Report

Quoted By: >>45227260

>>45226364
>Badboi
This is why you'll have to wait until 2027 for the DPPt remakes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 05:28:13 No.45226455 Report

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use a special sweeper mence set, drago meteor hits hard anything that doesnt resist it, and intimidate can be useful against neutral and resisted physical type attacks
has a higher speed the hydreigon, and a decent special attack stat too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 05:31:06 No.45226475 Report

Quoted By: >>45226529

>>45226364
Wish Defog Salamence is such a fucking wrench in people's expectations.
Pointless, but fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 05:40:09 No.45226529 Report

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>>45226475
Wish the PvE stuff was more varied and had better AI's. Jank stuff is such a treat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 06:20:36 No.45226812 Report

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Why do you a need Defog Mence if you’re playing on cart?? lmao

Slap an offensive DD set on that bitch and snowball teams with Dynamax and Moxie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 07:42:36 No.45227260 Report

Quoted By: >>45227400

>>45226421
I mean, it's true.
Wolfe Glick's Dream Ball Endeavor Raichu from 2016 is impossible to obtain legitimately.
The moveset and stuff are legal, which is likely why it passed the hack check, but the ball proves that it's genned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 08:11:53 No.45227400 Report

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>>45227260
On one hand, I hate exclusivity on principle but on the other it's nice to live in a world where you can random battle and they have some insane left field shit and you find out it's legal too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 09:02:19 No.45227650 Report

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Both of those are c-tier moves for mence, just run scarfed moxiemence or a ddance set

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 09:10:24 No.45227689 Report

Quoted By: >>45227726

Why has no one mentioned dual wingbeat? I've been using one and it's pretty solid so far. It is kinda generic now though, losing roost means no utility which sucks for lots of mons.

I feel that mence could've had it worse though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2020 09:20:18 No.45227726 Report

Quoted By:

>>45227689
>Hold razor claw
>Focus energy, Dual Wingbeat, brick break, DDance
Let's goooooo

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