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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:18:24 No.45242210 View View Reply Original Report

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This is what a pokemon SHOULD be. This spinning squirrel has lots of personality and it accomplishes this without doing some job like Incelroar or being a literal object like Voltorb.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:24:15 No.45242250 Report

Quoted By: >>45242258 >>45242691 >>45242918 >>45243716 >>45243742

>>45242210
This is what a pokemon SHOULD be. This cute and funny deer has lots of personality and it accomplishes this without doing some job like Inceleon or being a literal object like Stonjourner

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:25:16 No.45242258 Report

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>>45242250
This is what pokemon should be!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:27:57 No.45242287 Report

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>>45242210
Barabros..............

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:38:05 No.45242375 Report

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>>45242210
Yet you had to give it a human toy gimmick instead of just it being a squirrel, like Greedent.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:47:06 No.45242460 Report

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This is what a pokemon SHOULD be. This frog has lots of personality and it accomplishes this without doing some job like Grenigger or being a literal object like Vanillite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:52:11 No.45242512 Report

Quoted By: >>45242522 >>45242523 >>45242651 >>45242955 >>45242984 >>45243760

>>45242210
Can I get a quick rundown on why everyone has been up in arms about Pokemon based on human professions or possessing of otherwise human traits when they've been around since the beginning with stuff like Mr. Mime, Jynx, Hitmonchan, the Machop line and arguably the Abra line and Hypno?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:53:31 No.45242522 Report

Quoted By: >>45242549 >>45242601

>>45242512
They were few and far between. Now they make up a significant percentage of designs, with even the starters having this design philosophy applied to them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:53:34 No.45242523 Report

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>>45242512
old good new bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:55:09 No.45242546 Report

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>>45242210
>family guy beyblade
>should be real
never eve

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:55:33 No.45242549 Report

Quoted By: >>45242628 >>45242752

>>45242522
>They were few and far between. Now they make up a significant percentage of designs
They’re still a minority of the entire roster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:55:49 No.45242555 Report

Quoted By: >>45243693

>>45242210
Anyone know who the artist is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 14:59:30 No.45242601 Report

Quoted By: >>45242636 >>45242752

>>45242522
>They were few and far between.
They still are, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:02:12 No.45242628 Report

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>>45242549
Yes, but they are a lot more common than they used to be and it rubs people the wrong way. And like I said, this affecting even starters and their evolutions is more egregious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:03:15 No.45242636 Report

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>>45242601
Why are you calling me a retard over pokémon designs? Did I hurt you or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:04:41 No.45242651 Report

Quoted By: >>45242851 >>45244338

>>45242512
Jynx is just a gangaro girl monster. Ganagro is not a profession.
Machop line are martial art monsters. Martial arts are not a profession.
Abra line are monsters with psionic prowess. Not really a profession.
Hypno line are monsters with a prowess in hypnotism. Hypnotism is not a profession.

Not the above traits grant these mons with "jobmon" titles. They're just vaguely humanoid monsters. Comapre that to mons with literal jobs or stylized to look like a modern professional of that field, i.e. Cinderace is just a soccee player, Inteleon is more spy than Lizard, Rillaboom is stylized to look like a drummer while also being a drummer itself.

I'll give you the Hitmons and Mr. Mime though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:07:35 No.45242677 Report

Quoted By: >>45243740

>>45242628
>but they are a lot more common than they used to be
And even so, they still manage to be the minority of the entire roster. Seems like you’re just hyper focused on that specific archetype.
>This affecting even starters and their evolutions is more egregious.
It really isn’t, the simple solution is to just use something else that’s more to your liking. Like with any other Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:07:36 No.45242679 Report

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>>45242460
pokemon clover exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:08:38 No.45242691 Report

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>>45242250
this thing is so ugly it should be a bannable offense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:16:10 No.45242752 Report

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>>45242549
>>45242601
Not that anon, and not even convinced by his arguments, but he's objectively right on saying that a big part of the new pokedex is made of jobmon.
In fact, even considering vague and arguable mons like Geodude and Golduck, gen 1 has at most 17 humanoid mons over 150, so about a tenth.
Even excluding whole lines and only considering humanoid Pokémon that specifically have a job gen 8 has at least 20 mons over 90, which is about a fourth of the whole dex. And that's being unfair and biased, realistically it's 9/151 and 32/88, with the galarian forms actually changing the ratio for worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:17:32 No.45242763 Report

Quoted By: >>45242975

>45242691
(You) should be a bannanble offense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:26:54 No.45242851 Report

Quoted By: >>45244338

>>45242651
Jynx is an opera singer, Machoke and Machamp are pro wrestlers, while not a professional a lot of people made their living bending spoons (aka being giant frauds) since "arguably" in the post you're replying to. Hypnotist is most assuredly a profession.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:33:52 No.45242918 Report

Quoted By: >>45243694

>>45242250
>literally just a deer with grass
>fails to communicate any of it's other inspirations and origins
Shit design for furry faggots

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:35:31 No.45242929 Report

Quoted By: >>45243067

>>45242752
Okay, there are “more” of them but he was complaining about how they used to be “few and far between” which they actually still are. That ratio in newer dexes is only due to how small they are. But even then they still don’t even make up even half of the entire roster or even half of the rosters for the generations they’re introduced in. They still literally are a minority and there are still plenty (objectively more) to pick from that are not like those ones. And speaking of which, even if they were the majority they don’t suddenly stop the other ones that aren’t from existing, this is a franchise with over 600 creatures to pick from. I don’t see why anyone would focus so much on a design archetype they don’t like instead of simply finding one they do in the other group.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:39:07 No.45242955 Report

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>>45242512
Oversaturation especially with starters. It was cute in XY but now want monsters again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:41:18 No.45242975 Report

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>>45242763
This hothead that can't reply properly should be a bannanble offense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:42:02 No.45242984 Report

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>>45242512
I didn't like 'em then, I still don't like 'em now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:48:51 No.45243067 Report

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>>45242929
Not really, no. What I'm arguing about is that being a humanoid with a job doesn't mean it's a badly designed mon. The fact that now there're a lot of those is, again, a fact, and you're pretty much wrong on everything you said. First, if we look at gen5, which introduced even more pokémon than gen1, we can see that there's at least 40 jobmons (being a bit more biased it's about 60), which is far more than any other generation. Second, in gen8 they're not a minority, and while it's arguable if they're the absolute majority, they are the most prominent thematically consistent group.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 15:57:45 No.45243168 Report

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>>45243067
>a humanoid with a job doesn't mean it's a badly designed mon.
I wasn’t trying to imply that at all. I’m just saying if it isn’t your preference there are objectively more to choose from that don’t fall to this.
>we can see that there's at least 40 jobmons (being a bit more biased it's about 60), which is far more than any other generation. Second, in gen8 they're not a minority
Now I question what you’re counting as “humanoid” and a “job” since that seems to never be consistent from poster to poster. Because some only fall into one category or the other while an extreme minority actually falls into both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:38:39 No.45243589 Report

Quoted By: >>45243662

>45242975
Not even worth the (You)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:44:48 No.45243662 Report

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>>45243589
Someone get this hothead out

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:47:37 No.45243693 Report

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>>45242555
Some Korean dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:47:45 No.45243694 Report

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>>45242918
>literally just a deer with grass
Like every other trass type?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:48:42 No.45243709 Report

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>>45242258
Pikaturd?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:49:39 No.45243716 Report

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>>45242250
Is that why the creator has to commission people to draw it while pretending it's popular and loved beyond anyone but furfags?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:52:08 No.45243740 Report

Quoted By: >>45243856

>>45242677
>the simple solution is to just use something else that’s more to your liking
I don't use Cinderace but every single person I battle does because they deliberately made it overpowered. I also have to build my team around not being destroyed by Cinderace so yes he is everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:52:12 No.45243742 Report

Quoted By: >>45243771 >>45243779

>>45242250
How can one mon cause so much seethe and porn at the same time?

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:53:26 No.45243760 Report

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>>45242512
Probably because nobody really gives a shit about the pokemon you mentioned while starters are mandatory to take in the beginning, and have good stats, thus they should be pokemon you want to use through the game. That's the ideal. When it comes down to "your choices are a gorilla that carries a drum around, a soccer player rabbit, and a lizard with a fingergun that acts like a spy" it just becomes annoying. I miss the days when my choices were just an elemental monster, not a thing with a pre-made personality and a role to fill.

In a more subjective opinion I don't like the new artstyle pokemon has. While I enjoy a lot of the designs, even controversial ones like Eiscue, they have a more, I don't know, rounded and "Calarts-y" appearance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:54:28 No.45243771 Report

Quoted By: >>45243935

>>45243742
because it's normal people with taste vs furfags trying to spam their shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:55:30 No.45243779 Report

Quoted By: >>45243799

>>45243742
The people who hate it have no idea the more they hate it the more popular it becomes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:56:26 No.45243799 Report

Quoted By: >>45243816

>>45243779
Not really. It's forgotten about until some furry coomer posts it again and then people get annoyed. Those people aren't doing anything to make it more popular. The creator commissioning people left and right is, though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 16:59:02 No.45243816 Report

Quoted By: >>45243877

>>45243799
>The creator commissioning people left and right is, though
I've seen this suggested a few times. Any proof?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:03:29 No.45243856 Report

Quoted By: >>45243881

>>45243740
>I don't use Cinderace but every single person I battle does
Well there you have it. You yourself don’t have to use it as you’ve admitted that you don’t. So I’m not seeing much of the issue. Some people didn’t like Lando-T, but hey, you just gotta deal with that one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:04:49 No.45243877 Report

Quoted By: >>45244630

>>45243816
Literally google faunazon commission and you'll see the majority of its art is just that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:04:59 No.45243881 Report

Quoted By: >>45243925

>>45243856
The issue is that this specific category of pokemon that many don't like is being given special treatment since they're both starters and overpowered

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:08:57 No.45243925 Report

Quoted By: >>45243943

>>45243881
>that many don't like
There’s also the inverse since there are many that do like that Pokemon. Just as much as someone doesn’t like it there’s someone else that really does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:09:55 No.45243935 Report

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>>45243771
furfag here and assdeer is shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:10:47 No.45243943 Report

Quoted By: >>45243974

>>45243925
That doesn't justify making all three of the starters have those traits, while also giving them constant special treatment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:13:54 No.45243974 Report

Quoted By: >>45244050

>>45243943
>That doesn't justify making all three of the starters have those traits
They don’t really have to justify anything since anyone on the team can design a Pokemon anyway they want to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:20:13 No.45244050 Report

Quoted By: >>45244087

>>45243974
Starters should accomodate everyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:24:08 No.45244087 Report

Quoted By: >>45244110

>>45244050
>Starters should accomodate everyone.
This doesn’t happen though. There are some that don’t like certain starter sets from gens both new and old.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:26:09 No.45244110 Report

Quoted By: >>45244148

>>45244087
When starters are diversified the chances of this happening are greatly reduced. All the most beloved trios have different themes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:31:20 No.45244148 Report

Quoted By: >>45244185

>>45244110
Cool? But there are still people that don’t like certain starter sets both new and old. Some prefer one set over the others, some don’t even like the starters in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:34:11 No.45244185 Report

Quoted By: >>45244209

>>45244148
It's impossible to accomodate everyone with only tree pokemon, but they should still try to cater to different tastes.
The fact that you can't have total guaranteed success doesn't justify lack of effort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:36:29 No.45244209 Report

Quoted By: >>45244255

>>45244185
>but they should still try to cater to different tastes.
They still do this though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:38:38 No.45244234 Report

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>>45242210
Voltorb is based on a yokai that's an object that comes to life after 100 years, that's why its number 100 on the dex while also being a pokeball. It also acts as a mimic obviously. There are more layers to it than just being an object. Other than that I agree with you, but some object mons (only a few) have their place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:40:28 No.45244255 Report

Quoted By: >>45244310

>>45244209
This gen all three of them were bipedal humanoid jobmons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:44:51 No.45244310 Report

Quoted By: >>45244336

>>45244255
All with different themes, inspirations, shapes, colors, etc that will appeal to different people. Yet you’re fixated on the humanoid and job part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:46:48 No.45244336 Report

Quoted By: >>45244361

>>45244310
>All with different themes
The theme is humanoid with a job.
>inspiration
Jobs.
>shapes
Bipedal humanoid.
>colors
That's the bare minimum.
I'm not the one who's fixated on that trope, Gamefreak is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:47:07 No.45244338 Report

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>>45242651
Martial arts and hypnotism can technically be professions. I mean Machamp is straight up wearing a championship belt. Alakazam line is specifically based on the psychic Uri Geller who was really popular in the 80's for bending spoons with his mind. I agree with your point otherwise though, monsters should stay monsters. I think that's the disconnect with modern mons that it's not a flavor added to a design, it's the main ingredient which doesn't work for a species of creature.

>>45242851
Jynx is based on a kaiju. Gangaro as too. It might have some opera influence or that might just be coincidence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:49:21 No.45244361 Report

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>>45244336
>>I'm not the one who's fixated on that trope
>As anon reduces the Pokemon to only that while ignoring any other traits
Amazing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 17:53:30 No.45244422 Report

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>>45242210
As a fakemon: THIS IS A GOOD IDEA WAY BETTER THAN EVERY POKEMON AFTER <some generation after a certain point>
As a real pokemon: they literally just remade lycanroc how lazy can gamefreak get

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 18:12:13 No.45244630 Report

Quoted By: >>45245149

>>45243877
Big if true

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 18:15:12 No.45244660 Report

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this is what pokemon should be like >:]

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2020 18:58:14 No.45245149 Report

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>>45244630
t. haven't googled.

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