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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 14:02:07 No.45279319 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>45280090 >>45285184 >>45285398 >>45299887 >>45304985 >>45305876 >>45313772 >>45314260

Moltres is killing it edition. Come on in and discuss the new meta, unexpected Pokemon are taking over.

Previous thread: >>45237330
>Usage Statistics
https://www.pikalytics.com/
https://babiri.net/

>Resources
https://www.trainertower.com/vgc20-speed-tiers/
https://jake-white.github.io/VGC-Damage-Calculator/
https://www.pikalytics.com/team
https://marriland.com/tools/team-builder/

>News
https://victoryroadvgc.com/
https://trainertower.com/

>Official Rules
https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/2020-pokemon-video-game-championships-vgc-format-rules/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 14:05:34 No.45279346 Report

Quoted By: >>45280417

what's the combo between these two? >>45278795

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 14:13:59 No.45279409 Report

Quoted By: >>45286447

I like using Articuno desu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 14:18:06 No.45279434 Report

Quoted By:

>>45279240
I'm assuming you mean Zapdos. Then Rock slide, preferably from a Lando-T. It's hard to OHKO it since it's so bulky but maybe you get a flinch off.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 15:34:07 No.45280090 Report

Quoted By: >>45280466 >>45280494 >>45298597

>>45279319
>dmax regirock
How viable is this? It can't lose the WP boosts because of Clear Body, and Max Rockfall's sand fixes its SpDef

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 16:02:06 No.45280319 Report

Quoted By: >>45280640 >>45281377

Is there any reason to use Starmie at all? Also does anyone play BSS?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 16:14:22 No.45280417 Report

Quoted By: >>45280556

>>45279346
They seem to have poor synergy honestly, these guys are probably just memeing or are low ladder shitters.
Use Defiant Thundurus+Lando-T if you want a good genie combo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 16:18:54 No.45280466 Report

Quoted By:

>>45280090
Pretty good actually, I’ve seen it being used in some Moltres teams.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8vgc2021-1210432347

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 16:21:13 No.45280494 Report

Quoted By: >>45280517

>>45280090
I prefer Dmax Registeel, with Max Steel Spike it rises its Def and with Body Press....

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 16:23:45 No.45280517 Report

Quoted By: >>45280594

>>45280494
Regirock can do the same thing with Iron Head/Heavy Slam, and starts with higher DEF

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 16:27:38 No.45280556 Report

Quoted By:

>>45280417
>genie combo.
cancer

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 16:30:56 No.45280594 Report

Quoted By:

>>45280517
But it's more viable M-Steel Spike +Body Press because it rises its Def and it can spam BP, the problem is that there are too Flymons in the metagame now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 16:35:29 No.45280640 Report

Quoted By:

>>45280319
Starmie's not awful but it's pretty outclassed and in the new meta is weak to lots of things that outspeed it.

>BSS
On and off, I'm not really a fan of how dynamax plays in 3v3 but I liked it in previous gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 16:58:16 No.45280822 Report

Quoted By: >>45281402

What’s a good item to run on GMoltres when Leftovers is already taken? I run a bulky RestTalk set with Sitrus berry right now, and I feel like there might be something better I could be using.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 17:21:17 No.45281055 Report

Quoted By: >>45281218

Thoughts?
https://pokepast.es/aa4c22d9e9c09c5a

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 17:33:35 No.45281173 Report

Quoted By: >>45282270 >>45282285 >>45331206

If only Fini wasn't a thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 17:38:48 No.45281218 Report

Quoted By:

>>45281055
>0 Protect users
You need more Protect or you'll just get rolled over when you aren't in a good position. Politoed should definitely have it over Psychic and at least one of the Swift Swimmers should have it with a Life Orb instead of 4 attacks. I'd also drop one of the Prankster users for an offensive Pokemon that isn't reliant so much on rain so the team has more flexibility.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 17:52:24 No.45281377 Report

Quoted By: >>45281486

>>45280319
>Starmie
Its stats are too weak for the current meta. Tons of better Water and Psychic types around.
>BSS
I dabbled a bit in 3v3 singles back in PBR days and I quickly came to a conclusion that the format is borderline uncompetitive. By far the worst aspect is actually picking the 3 mons, guess wrong and you basically lose on spot. I never played any 3v3 from gen 6 onwards but I heard Dynamax is complete cancer. 6v6 for singles and 4v4 for doubles is the correct way to enjoy both battle formats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 17:55:15 No.45281402 Report

Quoted By:

>>45280822
>bulky RestTalk
For what reason
Run Nasty Plot or dont bother.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 17:59:15 No.45281440 Report

Quoted By: >>45281504 >>45310111

how fast do i make regieleki?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 18:03:47 No.45281486 Report

Quoted By:

>>45281377
>By far the worst aspect is actually picking the 3 mons, guess wrong and you basically lose on spot
This is only the case if you haven't learned the meta properly. VGC is no different.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 18:05:55 No.45281504 Report

Quoted By: >>45281564 >>45281596

>>45281440
you wanna outspeed other Regieleki?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 18:12:19 No.45281564 Report

Quoted By: >>45281596

>>45281504
guess i need to...
252+ SpA Transistor Regieleki Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Regieleki in Electric Terrain: 183-216 (97.8 - 115.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 18:16:08 No.45281596 Report

Quoted By:

>>45281504
>>45281564
nevermind i'm running some ass vest calcs and i want to try it out

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 18:24:42 No.45281686 Report

Quoted By: >>45281773 >>45282261

Urshifu is fucking aids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 18:31:41 No.45281773 Report

Quoted By: >>45282245

>>45281686
Urshifu honestly isn't that bad unless you forget about its ability. They all run the exact same sets so are fairly predictable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 19:08:07 No.45282245 Report

Quoted By:

>>45281773
I dunno what universe you're from but in mine being almost guaranteed to lose a Pokemon if I am not winning the speed game by a comical amount the moment it comes in is stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 19:10:33 No.45282261 Report

Quoted By:

>>45281686
bro just use comfey draining kiss

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 19:11:35 No.45282270 Report

Quoted By:

>>45281173
just run regieleki dude come on

Volt switch into literally any other terrain user, override its terrain ggez

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 19:12:35 No.45282285 Report

Quoted By:

>>45281173
just run float stone regidrago bro

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 20:42:58 No.45283128 Report

Quoted By: >>45283263 >>45284576 >>45285319

I have an idea for a core with Tornadus. It's movepool would be:
Tailwind
Taunt
Swagger
(WP proccing move)

The idea would be to have a Pokemon holding Lum berry that could get a 2x Atk boost from swagger and another mon that Tornadus can trigger the weakness policy of. The idea is to have a versatile pair of leads plus Tornadus can control the speed with tailwind and taunt to stop trick room. What two mons should I use to make this core?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 20:57:43 No.45283263 Report

Quoted By:

>>45283128
Well I guess a good start would be Metagross since it's so consistently good. But that would mean the core would be two physical attackers, probably not a big deal but I'll look for some special attackers that might work out too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 20:59:47 No.45283283 Report

Quoted By: >>45285496 >>45288563

Thoughts on this dude? Meds is pretty nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 21:10:40 No.45283373 Report

Quoted By: >>45283504 >>45285511

Hey, I want to get into VGC, using Roserade. Is there any reason to use it over other Grass types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 21:22:40 No.45283504 Report

Quoted By:

>>45283373
>Is there any reason to use it over other Grass types?
The best Grass types are Kartana, Rillaboom, and Venusaur but with that being said people use non meta picks all the time and thrive with them. Just find a good way to support it or have it fit into your team.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 22:32:03 No.45284239 Report

Quoted By: >>45284370

Would love some feedback on one of my teams, just getting into VGC for this season as a fyi

Xmas came early (Xurkitree) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Energy Ball
- Dazzling Gleam
- Rising Voltage

rain fast, eat a$$ (Politoed) @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Icy Wind
- Scald
- Helping Hand
- Encore

Remembuh me? :^) (Tapu Koko) @ Electric Seed
Ability: Electric Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Taunt
- Wild Charge
- Acrobatics
- Iron Head

100 ton cheeks (Celesteela) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Autotomize
- Giga Drain
- Flamethrower
- Air Slash

it goes it goes (Zapdos-Galar) @ Adrenaline Orb
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Brave Bird
- Detect
- Assurance

東京タワー (Duraludon) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stalwart
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Steel Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Draco Meteor
- Dark Pulse

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 22:38:57 No.45284301 Report

Quoted By: >>45284397 >>45284642 >>45307086

R8 my hypothetical team. Swampert is thicc as fuck and is protected from its only grass weakness by Talonflame and switch in from Goodra. Team is mostly built around Swampy with some added things like Dragapult for lack of Ghost type coverage and Phermosa clean up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 22:43:17 No.45284351 Report

Quoted By: >>45284353 >>45284475

What nature is good for regieleki?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 22:43:37 No.45284353 Report

Quoted By:

>>45284351
FAST

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 22:45:08 No.45284370 Report

Quoted By: >>45284377 >>45284415

>>45284239
These are the cringiest nicknames ive ever heard. Theres your feedback faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 22:45:35 No.45284377 Report

Quoted By: >>45284605

>>45284370
upvoted

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 22:48:09 No.45284397 Report

Quoted By:

>>45284301
>only 1 legendary
Not cheesy enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 22:49:11 No.45284415 Report

Quoted By:

>>45284370
thanks :^)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 22:55:04 No.45284475 Report

Quoted By: >>45284791

>>45284351
Modest. It outspeeds Jolly Dragapult with no investment, you can fine tune its speed as you play more games.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:02:13 No.45284539 Report

Quoted By: >>45288569

*coof coof*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:06:20 No.45284576 Report

Quoted By:

>>45283128
thanks doc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:09:13 No.45284605 Report

Quoted By:

>>45284377
The nicknames are reddit as fuck dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:12:27 No.45284626 Report

Quoted By: >>45284651 >>45284658

Anyone else feel like they can't lock down their team? Like I'll play 20 games with a team, it will feel pretty good, then the next day I'll play 10, lose almost all of them, then scrap it, run a new team, play 20 good games and repeat the sequence. Like, yes I get that at the start of a season the meta changes fast as it solidifies, but it seems like there aren't any real bread-and-butter combos or flowchart teams yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:13:56 No.45284642 Report

Quoted By:

>>45284301
I switched bulldoze to earthquake cause I figured I had enough speed control and also gave Goodra weakness policy so it can switch into icy wind users too.
I'm not sure about switching to earthquake though. Maybe I don't get tailwind off or it expires. The bulky Swampert could give me a lot of speed control with bulldoze.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:15:06 No.45284651 Report

Quoted By:

>>45284626
You should make incremental changes instead of scraping the whole team. Are you using pikalytics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:15:22 No.45284654 Report

Quoted By: >>45284662

Is Blissey still good in singles VGC? What movesets should I run? Also for tapu lele, what moveset should I run for singles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:16:26 No.45284658 Report

Quoted By:

>>45284626
I feel this way a lot. What I've done recently is type out gameplans for specific strats(Trick Room, popular WP setups etc.) it helps me keep a level of consistency. Sometimes you feel off, sometimes it's just that the metagame has changed and you're not as prepared as you were the other day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:16:54 No.45284662 Report

Quoted By: >>45284677

>>45284654
what

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:19:20 No.45284677 Report

Quoted By: >>45284701

>>45284662
Is Blissey still good to use in singles VGC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:22:49 No.45284701 Report

Quoted By: >>45284711

>>45284677
3v3 isn't VGC, but no. It's rampant with physical attackers and the meta is way too offensive for it to be consistently good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:23:27 No.45284708 Report

Quoted By: >>45284716

What's everyone running Moltres as? Weakness policy with 252 SpA 252 Spe 4 HP
>Wrath
>Plot
>Protect
>Hurricane

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:24:01 No.45284711 Report

Quoted By: >>45284726 >>45310490

>>45284701
What about doubles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:24:19 No.45284716 Report

Quoted By:

>>45284708
That's everyone. Do you run it with Comfey as well?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:25:21 No.45284726 Report

Quoted By: >>45310490

>>45284711
Blissey has never been good in doubles, it's too passive for it to be effective offensively and its support movepool isn't good for doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:31:30 No.45284791 Report

Quoted By:

>>45284475
A few interesting benchmarks to keep in mind.
Regileki's unboosted max speed is 277, 252 without nature. Fully uninvested is 220, and uninvested with nature is 242
224 is a fully invested 50 base Speed pokemon at +2, while 268 is the same for base 70.

250 is fully invested base 100 at +1, and 234 is the same at Base 90.

Personally, due to the way Speed works, I find running +Speed, but then maybe not fully investing in Speed to be the best plan, because just a little investment goes a long way, and that +Speed is a really good return.

That 268 mark (Base 70 is Metagross) is a bit troublesome, and at that point, I think your own speed control is better, but still, flat out overpowering Tailwind is kind of nice, especially if you want to exert speed control via Electroweb yourself.

I think the 251 benchmark is a really good one, since that scarfed, invested base 100 is a really, really nice target to be able to outrun and either slow down, or outright oneshot since it might also be a bit frailer, and is still relatively easy to get up to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:43:12 No.45284878 Report

Quoted By: >>45284887 >>45310083

I’m new to competitive and I was thinking of running a team of frosmoth regieleki aegislash grimsnarl milotic and galarian zapdos how is this? I know frosmoth isn’t amazing but I like the mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:44:04 No.45284887 Report

Quoted By: >>45284955

>>45284878
>milotic
do a self own

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2020 23:50:17 No.45284955 Report

Quoted By:

>>45284887
Self own?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 00:18:29 No.45285184 Report

Quoted By: >>45289713

>>45279319
I fucking love this horse. Glastrier is the mvp of my team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 00:36:09 No.45285319 Report

Quoted By: >>45285384

>>45283128
The issue I see here is that while that seems versatile they are both induced by targeting your own Pokemon, something like Follow Me could prevent both. Otherwise I say it would only need to worry about TR speed tiers or stopping TR with Taunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 00:43:15 No.45285384 Report

Quoted By:

>>45285319
Yeah, but I would form a gameplan against follow me strats. I obviously wouldn't lead Tornadus + a setup mon every game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 00:45:57 No.45285398 Report

Quoted By: >>45286011 >>45286042 >>45307115

>>45279319
How many teams have you lads actually built? I built a Dusclops Metagross team and I went ahead and built a Sun team too because I'm so comfortable with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 00:59:33 No.45285496 Report

Quoted By:

>>45283283
Seems like a good TR setter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 01:01:29 No.45285511 Report

Quoted By:

>>45283373
Give it a sash and hope sleep powder doesn't miss

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 02:08:01 No.45286011 Report

Quoted By:

>>45285398
These dumb faggots don't build teams.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 02:12:26 No.45286042 Report

Quoted By:

>>45285398
pic related are the two teams. I switched out Tornadus in the Metagross team because it never saw any play and replaced it with Rillaboom for a Fini answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 03:00:49 No.45286447 Report

Quoted By:

>>45279409
All the birds are fun to use, honestly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 03:36:56 No.45286763 Report

Quoted By: >>45287024 >>45287259

Do you guys actually think Moltres will stick after a while?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 04:04:05 No.45287024 Report

Quoted By:

>>45286763
Yes. People will get better playing against it but reliable boosting plus a good offensive spread move is potent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 04:33:53 No.45287259 Report

Quoted By:

>>45286763
Moltres+Comfey, so hot right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 06:47:00 No.45288127 Report

Quoted By: >>45288163 >>45288171 >>45288975

>Was super hyped to use Galar Weezing+Regigigas
>Turns out regular Weezing is better because LMAO METAGROSS

Fuck showdown faggots my god

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 06:55:13 No.45288163 Report

Quoted By:

>>45288127
I think everyone just forgot that regular Weezing has that ability too.
On the same topic
>apparently nobody is using Hidden Ability Landorus-I or Hidden Ability Johto beasts on Showdown
>even though Sheer Force and Inner Focus are way better than Sand Force and Pressure respectively
we fucking have ability patch now there's no excuse for this

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 06:58:00 No.45288171 Report

Quoted By: >>45288181

>>45288127

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 06:59:51 No.45288181 Report

Quoted By:

>>45288171
I miss bravest bird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 07:42:25 No.45288429 Report

Quoted By:

Knock off should activate before held items change my mind

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 08:11:03 No.45288563 Report

Quoted By:

>>45283283
Think itll be worth it to try this?
>dudclops partner with pressure
>lead Slowking/Dusclops
>spam Eerie Spell to chip 5 total PP every turn off the enemy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 08:12:29 No.45288569 Report

Quoted By:

>>45284539
>Tapu Fini comes out
Otherwise I'd say kickass. Scarf + HH Dragon Energy all day

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 09:36:52 No.45288975 Report

Quoted By:

>>45288127
Oh shit.
I forgot regular Weezing even had Neutralizing Gas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 10:50:15 No.45289291 Report

Quoted By: >>45289537

Been out of VGC season the season prior to the top 10 or whatever ban list, which legendries are being made legal for next month, and who's tracking to be really good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 11:45:50 No.45289537 Report

Quoted By:

>>45289291
Legal
>Birds
>Galar Birds
>Beasts
>Regis including the new ones
>Lake Guardians
>Lati@s
>Heatran
>Cresselia
>Musketeers
>Genies
>Tapu
>UBs
>Horses (but not Calyrex)
Basically everything the game codes as a sub legend is back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 12:31:36 No.45289713 Report

Quoted By: >>45293482

>>45285184
There's no way to hard counter this thing except to burn and intimidate-cycle.

It's fucking aids.

>t. Lando

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 15:24:03 No.45290724 Report

Quoted By: >>45298744

Does showdown even matter for knowing if your team will work on cart? Seems like I just go up slowly and it's a matter of grinding out games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 15:26:35 No.45290745 Report

Quoted By: >>45291028 >>45291251

From what I've seen so far it seems like the "generic G-Moltres team" has stabilized into G-Moltres, Raichu, Fini, Incineroar, Kartana and Comfey. Thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 15:52:37 No.45290916 Report

Quoted By: >>45290926

what's the deal with comfey again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 15:54:09 No.45290926 Report

Quoted By: >>45290971

>>45290916
For some reason its ability gives fucking +3 Priority to healing moves. So naturally it uses draining kiss and absorb to trigger weakness policies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 16:02:48 No.45290971 Report

Quoted By:

>>45290926
oh that's dirty lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 16:08:48 No.45291028 Report

Quoted By: >>45291112

>>45290745
Disgusting

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 16:20:43 No.45291112 Report

Quoted By: >>45291143

>>45291028
Why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 16:25:34 No.45291143 Report

Quoted By: >>45291150

>>45291112
People say that about every prevalent meta team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 16:26:17 No.45291150 Report

Quoted By:

>>45291143
It doesn't have Metagross so it's "creative" on my book.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 16:29:31 No.45291169 Report

Quoted By: >>45291316

That's it, I'm running Haze Quagsire again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 16:39:35 No.45291251 Report

Quoted By:

>>45290745
I see Regileki+Moltres fairly frequently as a lead instead of Raichu, either to set up screens or shit electrowebs for speed control.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 16:46:42 No.45291316 Report

Quoted By:

>>45291169
My mans not playing around anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 17:24:48 No.45291596 Report

Quoted By: >>45291706 >>45292182

>Series 7 ends on January 31
I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here but I can't help but wonder, what will they do with future rules? All Pokemon are released, the next game probably won't be until November, and I doubt they'll go straight into restricted legendary meta. Dynamaxless season would be interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 17:31:46 No.45291649 Report

Quoted By:

What kinds of teams use Celesteela? This is a pretty entertaining Poke to use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 17:38:54 No.45291706 Report

Quoted By: >>45291979 >>45298752

>>45291596
Nothing special for sure. This is VGC2021 and the equivalent of it in all previous years has always been NatDex meta. It's not like Series 1 to 4 was pretty much the same all the way through. Series 5 was the only minor additions lol Series 6 more like series filler.
>Dynamaxless season would be interesting.
God, if only, but alas, gotta shill the current gimmick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 18:19:08 No.45291979 Report

Quoted By: >>45293409

>>45291706
>This is VGC2021 and the equivalent of it in all previous years has always been NatDex meta
That's not how it works anymore, they've been doing rotating rulesets since like mid 2018 and nowhere has this been officially called VGC2021. Series 7 ending in January is already evidence that this is going to continue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 18:44:14 No.45292182 Report

Quoted By:

>>45291596
Just because those are the VGC 2021 Rules doesn't mean that they don't just split off and start to do different rules in ranked and keep VGC 2021 to competitions.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 20:15:34 No.45293085 Report

Quoted By:

IT'S HIS TIME

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 20:31:26 No.45293295 Report

Quoted By: >>45298767

It seems like a lot of people aren't bringing coverage for Ferrothorn anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 20:41:16 No.45293409 Report

Quoted By:

>>45291979
>and nowhere has this been officially called VGC2021
And I'm saying that currently this is the equivalent of VGC2021 if we were still following the normal numbering. Without any Corona fuckery. Honestly, God if I remember what the fuck is what TCPi is doing with the circuit right now with the CP and all that jazz.
>they've been doing rotating rulesets since like mid 2018
Have they? 17 was Aloladex. 18 was Natdex and 19 was Big Legends with the Moon, Sun and Ultra series.
Between Corona fucking up the circuit and this being the first time we've gotten DLC it is the first time we've gotten mid-season additions like this, but, again, even if it's got a fancy name and all in reality it's like if we went froma Regional Dex format to National Dex format which has been the standard since like VGC11. Nothing new or special.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 20:47:34 No.45293482 Report

Quoted By:

>>45289713
its literally ice type lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 21:03:32 No.45293696 Report

Quoted By: >>45295346

ev spread for faggot ice horse?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2020 23:26:39 No.45295346 Report

Quoted By: >>45296172

>>45293696
252/252/4

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 00:52:23 No.45296172 Report

Quoted By:

>>45295346
SpA/Speed/HP of course

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 04:33:16 No.45298159 Report

Quoted By: >>45298527

You lads have any teams trained up yet? I know what I want to play but I might not be able to make the team until later this week :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 05:06:04 No.45298379 Report

Quoted By: >>45298518

Guys, I have a G-max Venusaur with Overgrowth. If I use an ability patch on it and make it chlorophyll, would my venusaur be legal for online battle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 05:28:22 No.45298518 Report

Quoted By:

>>45298379
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 05:29:49 No.45298527 Report

Quoted By:

>>45298159
still cooking up countermeasures for the inevitable grosstres teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 05:41:34 No.45298590 Report

Quoted By: >>45298625 >>45301756

Now that the dust has settled, was is extremely overrated and what is suffering the most from new toy syndrome?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 05:42:37 No.45298597 Report

Quoted By:

>>45280090
Where is this gif from?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 05:47:11 No.45298625 Report

Quoted By:

>>45298590
don't really think zapdos will stay with all these picks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 05:48:16 No.45298635 Report

Quoted By:

Good news: My team works well
Bad news: I'm playing like garbage :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 05:06:03 No.45298744 Report

Quoted By:

>>45290724
I have found that the Showdown meta can be very different than the cart meta. Cart is usually tried-and-true, safe, predictable teams. Showdown you can see some crazy stuff that sometimes wins big, but sometimes loses turn one. It's good to see both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 05:08:10 No.45298752 Report

Quoted By:

>>45291706
Sun Series in gen 7 had no Z moves for four months. I could definitely see a "no dynamax" rule for a series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 05:09:09 No.45298756 Report

Quoted By: >>45299638

Any good teammates for a male indeedee and galarian articuno?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 05:11:40 No.45298767 Report

Quoted By:

>>45293295
>anymore
Ferrothorn carried me from Series 1 to Series 6. You eliminate anything with fire coverage and you'll probably win. Eliminate anything with fighting coverage too and you're guaranteed to win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 08:59:44 No.45299638 Report

Quoted By:

>>45298756
Metagross, maybe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 10:02:18 No.45299887 Report

Quoted By: >>45299898 >>45299978 >>45307997

>>45279319
I'm slightly new to competitive Pokemon. I recently completely a shiny hunt for Landorus and Tapu Fini. How do I use them in a team together and what are some good other Pokemon to go with them? Bonus points if it doesn't involve incineroar as it's the only design I hate THAT much.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 10:04:41 No.45299898 Report

Quoted By:

>>45299887
Forgot pic. I'll change it to Therian later

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 10:26:51 No.45299978 Report

Quoted By:

>>45299887
They're both incredibly flexible and can fit on almost any kind of team. The most basic common sets for them right now are Calm Mind Fini and Assvest Lando which work really well together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 14:46:41 No.45301104 Report

Quoted By:

Anyone watching the VR challenge?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 15:26:39 No.45301363 Report

Quoted By: >>45301743

Blacephelon is disgusting god damn

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 15:27:45 No.45301377 Report

Quoted By: >>45301765

Here's my team that I won my only two matches with today. It's funny when injectors show up with all shinies and then proceed to not know how to play the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 16:09:35 No.45301743 Report

Quoted By: >>45302281

>>45301363
Do people even use it outside of like Mind Blown+Coalossal memes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 16:11:21 No.45301756 Report

Quoted By:

>>45298590
I believe Moltres-G is currently going this way unfortunately. Its really nothing special outside of having an okay matchup against Metagross.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 16:12:49 No.45301765 Report

Quoted By: >>45302011

>>45301377
My team is all shiny and not injected but also I have like 320 hours in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 16:41:07 No.45302011 Report

Quoted By:

>>45301765
Oh yeah you probably did do things legit and I failed to say
>teampreview
>team has exactly the same TID and OT for each Pokemon despite being across two generations
>all in apricorn balls
As if I am to believe someone was autistic enough to reset for the same TID. I also don't care too much since it's ez elo but for me it's the equivalency of what sometimes happens in CS:GO when a whole bunch of ESEA Open level noobs show up to LAN with >$1000 dollar inventories but don't understand how to counter-strafe.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 17:10:44 No.45302261 Report

Quoted By: >>45302356 >>45317181

how do i stop being shit at teambuilding

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 17:12:26 No.45302281 Report

Quoted By:

>>45301743
Well no but when 90% of jackasses are running Metagross or gay horse the one trick is pretty decent

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 17:20:52 No.45302356 Report

Quoted By:

>>45302261
Create synergy. Not just put random mons on the team

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 17:28:30 No.45302430 Report

Quoted By: >>45302870

Any pointers?
Swampert ability should be damp but Pikalytics is wonky right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 18:12:40 No.45302870 Report

Quoted By: >>45302908

>>45302430
What exactly is Swamp gonna do here? There are better phys attackers out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 18:17:13 No.45302908 Report

Quoted By:

>>45302870
He is really tanky and only takes super effective from grass type. I figure he will wall Regieleki and be able to lay down some speed control with bulldoze. He has an attack to get 2HKO on a lot of stuff and very few things 2HKO him.
I can also bait grass types into attacking him then switch into Goodra.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 18:23:19 No.45302960 Report

Quoted By:

>tfw you win a match using two protects in a row

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 18:41:03 No.45303105 Report

Quoted By: >>45303115 >>45303129

>22% of Articuno actually have Iron Ball
Expanding Force was a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 18:42:20 No.45303115 Report

Quoted By: >>45303151

>>45303105
w-why

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 18:44:48 No.45303129 Report

Quoted By:

>>45303105
kek I called it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 18:46:59 No.45303151 Report

Quoted By: >>45303250

>>45303115
flying doesn't benefit from ground terrain and pokemon players arent very creative so they want to expanding force spam with articuno like they were with hatterene

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 18:55:24 No.45303224 Report

Quoted By:

>It's another early season Eject Button abuse episode
I mean, I ain't complaining about free wins but still.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 18:57:20 No.45303250 Report

Quoted By: >>45303311 >>45303582

>>45303151
So iron ball allows it to proc sticky web and or bulldoze?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 19:02:46 No.45303311 Report

Quoted By:

>>45303250
Yeah it cancels the effects of levitate of flight

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 19:29:54 No.45303582 Report

Quoted By: >>45303652

>>45303250
Doesnt it also half speed of the user?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 19:34:26 No.45303644 Report

Quoted By: >>45303655 >>45303671 >>45303709

What makes Tapu Fini so good? It never seems to do much for me but everyone is running it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 19:35:09 No.45303652 Report

Quoted By:

>>45303582
use it in tr

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 19:35:16 No.45303655 Report

Quoted By: >>45303758

>>45303644
Destroys other terrains
Prevents primary status afflictions
Bulky as fuck with a good typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 19:36:07 No.45303671 Report

Quoted By:

>>45303644
BTFOs Lando and Dragons. What else do you want?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 19:39:35 No.45303709 Report

Quoted By:

>>45303644
>very bulky
>good typing
>useful ability/terrain
>reasonably strong after Calm Mind
Its a good Pokemon once you learn how to play defensively

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 19:43:30 No.45303758 Report

Quoted By: >>45303954 >>45303963 >>45304164 >>45305383 >>45306341

>>45303655
>Destroys other terrains
every terrain destroys other terrains
>Prevents primary status afflictions
so, a water type that can't use scald to burn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 20:01:55 No.45303954 Report

Quoted By:

>>45303758
>every terrain destroys other terrains
It's there to overwrite Koko's, Lele's and Rilla's. No one uses Bulu.
>so, a water type that can't use scald to burn?
Fair tradeoff for removing variance in your gameplan with the added bonus of shitting on mence and chomp. It got Muddy Water anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 20:02:38 No.45303963 Report

Quoted By:

>>45303758
>so, a water type that can't use scald to burn?
Irrelevant since you want to be running Muddy Water anyways
Besides, protecting your teammates from sleep/burn/paralysis is more important than being able to status shit yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 20:21:03 No.45304164 Report

Quoted By:

>>45303758
Any Pokemon that gets Freeze Dry cannot learn scald. There are a large number of waters that cant get scald.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 20:55:13 No.45304469 Report

Quoted By:

Entei is super underrated, hits hard and fucks physical attackers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 21:48:48 No.45304985 Report

Quoted By: >>45305365 >>45305701

>>45279319
my Body Press Assault Vest Regirock is hoppin lads off the walls left right n center. bring it on

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 22:24:48 No.45305365 Report

Quoted By: >>45305480 >>45305701

>>45304985
max meta made them so fking strong

run WP and a ground move to shore up SP DEF and its gg

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 22:26:47 No.45305383 Report

Quoted By:

>>45303758
this fucker comments every day that fini sucks cause it cant burn stuff with scald, fking read the replies from other people nerd

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 22:35:50 No.45305480 Report

Quoted By:

>>45305365
this gen has been so good to my boys The Regis <3

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 22:57:32 No.45305701 Report

Quoted By: >>45305894

>>45304985
whats your team? I was thinking something like >>45305365, I really wanna give it a WP and Speed Swap it or put it in TR

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 23:15:42 No.45305876 Report

Quoted By:

>>45279319
Is there a list of updated speed tiers? It's quite annoying now that not just one but two dlcs are out

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 23:17:56 No.45305894 Report

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>>45305701
I just use what I love; Regirock, Dusknoir, Rhyperior, Comfey, Golurk, Duraludon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 00:07:57 No.45306283 Report

Quoted By: >>45306332 >>45306360

Why haven't more people discovered the Chad power swap? Weakness policy users are so predictable you can pretty reliable trigger it and steal the buffs in the same turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 00:14:05 No.45306332 Report

Quoted By: >>45306527

>>45306283
Hard to match the power of [decent or good base attack + EVs/IVs]*2 without the boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 00:14:49 No.45306341 Report

Quoted By:

>>45303758
Protecting itself and its partner from dumb status and potentially lowering the opponent's accuracy with muddy water >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scald burns

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 00:16:22 No.45306360 Report

Quoted By:

>>45306283
Wolfey used it once but in that special tournament where you know the opponent's team.
In actual VGC scenarios is too situational.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 00:31:21 No.45306527 Report

Quoted By: >>45307033

>>45306332
But you can get the boost on a squishier pokemon without taking a supereffective hit while at the same time removing the opponents boost and wasting their item.
Take Espeon into Metagross who we know will be using weakness policy a lot for example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 01:15:20 No.45307033 Report

Quoted By:

>>45306527
I keep forgetting it swaps stat mods, not the stat itself
Youre still relying on them having a WP setup but it sure does seem like a good counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 01:19:45 No.45307086 Report

Quoted By: >>45307697

>>45284301
>yawn swampert
my nigga

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 01:21:36 No.45307115 Report

Quoted By:

>>45285398
On Showdown I've made a fuckton, on cart I've made 0 because I don't got time for that shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 02:15:43 No.45307697 Report

Quoted By:

>>45307086
Sadly I found out he doesn't get yawn in swsh so I changed it to darkest lariat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 02:48:37 No.45307997 Report

Quoted By:

>>45299887
Landorus can basically go on any team.
Its whole shtick is how versatile it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 03:16:57 No.45308285 Report

Quoted By: >>45309218 >>45310543

What move set should I run for regidrago?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 05:06:41 No.45309218 Report

Quoted By:

>>45308285
TR oriented with healing and dragon energy. Pair it with redirection.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 07:45:15 No.45310083 Report

Quoted By: >>45317211

>>45284878
I’m also thinking of running bulu any thoughts

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 07:52:50 No.45310111 Report

Quoted By:

>>45281440
Important benchmarks are 269 (Timid+196 EVs) (beats base 70 +2, full investment, Agility/Tailwind Metagross, for example)
or
251 (Timid+68 EVs) (Beats full speed investment 100 at +1, meaning Scarf or Max Airstream)

+Speed nature gives you so much bang for your buck, that unless you REALLY need that bit of extra oomph, you'd be silly to pass it up. It's seriously like, +40 speed for picking it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 09:07:22 No.45310458 Report

Quoted By: >>45310548

Ice-Steel-Ground or Ice-Fighting-Ground? I feel like Steelspike is generally better

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 09:17:31 No.45310490 Report

Quoted By:

>>45284711
>>45284726
This.
Blissey has a condition known as "All my friends are dead" syndrome.
Basically, Blissey just fucking sits there, doing nothing but providing vague "support", while your other pokemon gets stuck in a 2v1, dies, then the next one, and the next one, until they have killed everything else, then they just switch in some physical attacker, or even just focus it down with special attacks to finish it, and you, off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 09:32:17 No.45310543 Report

Quoted By: >>45311061

>>45308285
Anything other than Scarf Dragon Energy spam is irrelevant

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 09:33:19 No.45310548 Report

Quoted By:

>>45310458
Both have merits, but I see the best players are generally opting for Steelspike

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 09:36:18 No.45310557 Report

Quoted By:

Man, I hate how bulky the meta is with all the legendaries around. Nothing ever fucking dies, the ice horse is the worst offender by far. Even offensive Pokemon have at least decent bulk. Now I know how gen 2 era competitive players must have felt.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 09:49:18 No.45310613 Report

Quoted By:

feels nice

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 10:48:54 No.45310870 Report

Quoted By:

>Communication with the server was interrupted
>Can't even find any opponents
Why bother

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 11:37:38 No.45311061 Report

Quoted By:

>>45310543
This.
MAYBE a DDance set could be okay, but that should only be considered later on, once everyone realizes Scarf Dragon Energy is the way to go, for the mix-up, since it's a totally different counterplay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 13:32:29 No.45311654 Report

Quoted By: >>45311672 >>45311756

>it's a stuck in Great Ball episode
I'll go try hard until I get to Ultra and then try to diversify. Not having much fun honestly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 13:35:49 No.45311672 Report

Quoted By:

>>45311654
got to ultra ball yesterday with a trash team and i'm going to master ball today with the same trash team
what do you even need to run to get stuck in mega?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 13:53:10 No.45311756 Report

Quoted By:

>>45311654
Ehh I found that you can generally fuck around to Master Ball. I never really refine my shitty non-meta teams til I get there.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 14:42:03 No.45312069 Report

Quoted By: >>45312087 >>45312152

If a Dark-weak Pokemon gets hit with Knock Off, does Weakness Policy still activate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 14:44:49 No.45312087 Report

Quoted By: >>45312152

>>45312069
Yes and it's fucking gay as hell

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 14:52:29 No.45312152 Report

Quoted By:

>>45312087
>>45312069
Reminds me of Spider-Man reaching for the water universe Mary Jane and screaming incoherently. It's absolutely disgusting. We soaking now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 17:15:34 No.45313373 Report

Quoted By: >>45313440 >>45313607

How does one always beat trick room?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 17:20:37 No.45313440 Report

Quoted By:

>>45313373
revert it or stall it out

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 17:35:32 No.45313607 Report

Quoted By: >>45322974

>>45313373
Imprison + staying alive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 17:51:56 No.45313772 Report

Quoted By: >>45314124 >>45317828

>>45279319
man everyone was ready for moltres, moltres team not doing so hot

on the other hand I have a Ttar exca team with defiant zapdos and its working better than expected desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 17:54:22 No.45313797 Report

Quoted By: >>45313840

Has anyone tried making Butterfree work post DLC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 17:58:56 No.45313840 Report

Quoted By: >>45314303 >>45331946

>>45313797
I haven't but I can only imagine Fini would make it relatively bad? Beffudle is a motherfucker but I don't think I'd risk playing terrain control for one meme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 18:25:20 No.45314124 Report

Quoted By:

>>45313772
I just did the dumbest shit against a moltres team and it worked
>oppo leads moltres comfey
>I lead incineraor zapdos
>moltres Dynamax
>incineroar dynamax
>comfey kisses moltres WP activates
>zapdos kicks moltres defense down
>moltres max airstreams zapdos
>zapdos is dead
>incinerar max flares moltres
>moltres dies
all went well from there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 18:34:06 No.45314260 Report

Quoted By:

>>45279319
Posting this here if some of you guys are interested >>45278779

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 18:38:08 No.45314303 Report

Quoted By:

>>45313840
Yeah, I’d imagine Misty Terrain would fuck it up

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 20:55:57 No.45315721 Report

Quoted By:

bbump

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 22:02:31 No.45316430 Report

Quoted By: >>45317064

What is WP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 23:04:48 No.45317064 Report

Quoted By:

>>45316430
Weakness Policy abbreviation?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 23:09:39 No.45317108 Report

Quoted By: >>45317843

Has ranked ever just knocked y'all to casuals after failing to find a match for a while? I was memeing it up with Tangrowth and ended up fighting babbys first Uber team out of nowhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 23:17:32 No.45317181 Report

Quoted By:

>>45302261
Make flowchart, training wheels teams. Don't think of your teams as 6 Pokemon, think of it as three pairs. Pair A is lead 1, for X scenarios, Pair B is lead 2, for Y scenarios (ideally the ones that counter A), and Pair C is the core; the two well rounded goods that you can bring to most fights. Once you start there, then you can branch out and start saying "okay, for this very specific matchup, it's actually best if I lead with one guy from Pair C, and one guy from Pair A, then I have these two in the back from Pair B and A, etc."

I usually try to run a fast option as one set of leads, a trick room option for the other, and generic stuff like Incineroar, Tapu Fini, Landorus, etc. in the back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 23:20:52 No.45317211 Report

Quoted By: >>45317314

>>45310083
Drop CC on Zapdos for Taunt, then drop Taunt on Grimmsnarl for Fake Out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 23:30:51 No.45317314 Report

Quoted By:

>>45317211
K anything else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 00:21:16 No.45317828 Report

Quoted By:

>>45313772
>I have a Ttar exca team with defiant zapdos
Sand Rush Dracovish?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 00:22:56 No.45317843 Report

Quoted By:

>>45317108
Master Ball shows your true elo tier, and iirc people in great/ultra ball are also on the elo ladder but just at a much lower spot, and they cannot see this elo (the game intentionally pits you against people of similar ball lever, recall) so I dont think you could unless your elo just so happened to reg in that area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 01:19:25 No.45318259 Report

Quoted By: >>45318498

Give me a good moveset for Stoutland. Calm nature.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 01:43:33 No.45318498 Report

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>>45318259
>Stoutland
>Calm nature

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 02:22:52 No.45318789 Report

Quoted By: >>45318918 >>45318970 >>45320500 >>45321544 >>45322054

Newfag here, what is a good spread for fini

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 02:40:06 No.45318918 Report

Quoted By: >>45322054

>>45318789
Max/max on HP and Special Attack with a modest nature is a good start

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 02:48:08 No.45318970 Report

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>>45318789
just use it like you do Primarina.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 03:31:47 No.45319285 Report

Quoted By: >>45319321

I heard the there was some glitches with ability patch where if you used it on certain mons they couldn’t be used competitively is that still a thing or has it been fixed?

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 03:36:50 No.45319321 Report

Quoted By: >>45319427 >>45320849

>>45319285
If the Pokemon has been transferred from gen 4 or before an ability patch will fail to read the hidden ability properly because they weren't created with one, and will cause a flag on trying to get into an online fight. Don't know if it's fixed though.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 03:51:20 No.45319427 Report

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>>45319321
I have some gen 4 shiny Pokemon I wanted to use hope it gets fixed

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 07:01:13 No.45320500 Report

Quoted By: >>45322054

>>45318789
Max HP, max SpA

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 08:03:45 No.45320849 Report

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>>45319321
I was looking around it seems like it was fixed

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 10:50:26 No.45321544 Report

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>>45318789
Just rip shit off Pikalytics if you’re not sure what to use. Just don’t use obvious retard spreads like 252hp/252spatk but something further down the list.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 12:51:30 No.45322054 Report

Quoted By: >>45322296

>>45318789
>>45318918
>>45320500
Never max HP on Fini unless you're using Leftovers, you want 175 HP for the 16n-1 rule to reduce certain residual damage, so 236 EVs.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 13:34:33 No.45322296 Report

Quoted By: >>45322947 >>45329274

>>45322054
on this note, why does wolfey and others say to never invest in HP on high HP mons?

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 14:31:15 No.45322595 Report

Quoted By: >>45322947

How does EV training work in Gen 5? I just finished a Black 2 replay, and decided I would try to aim to complete the National Dex in the last(?) game that allowed you to do so. It’s been a while, I can’t remember if X and Y had the nat dex too or not
Training for EVs is a real pain in the ass, after being spoiled with the more recent entries and their streamlining of EV training.

My main question is if I reset EVs on a Poke, and then work with vitamins, and the power items to optimally EV train them, will their stats shift and change to the new EVs? Or do EVs only affect growth, meaning that I need to breed some new mon’s, EV train them early on to get the max benefit as they grow?

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 15:24:22 No.45322947 Report

Quoted By: >>45324630 >>45324687

>>45322296
Basically you get more bulk if your HP and defenses are closer to eachother, so if a Pokemon has massive HP and low defenses, then you get way more mileage by investing in defenses first.

Regidrago being an extreme but recently relevant example, let's say you only have 252 EVs to invest in bulk:
>252+ SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Regidrago: 248-294 (80.7 - 95.7%)
>252+ SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 124 SpD Regidrago: 204-240 (74.1 - 87.2%)

The difference is massive and that's not even 252 SpDef. Likewise, if a Pokemon has really low HP then you'll always want to max HP, eg. Dusclops. For some Pokemon like Lapras who have both big HP and solid defenses then it gets a bit more complicated and can work both ways, but that's the general idea.

>>45322595
The level that you EV train doesn't matter

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 15:26:36 No.45322974 Report

Quoted By: >>45323777 >>45324506

>>45313607
Does the imprison thing still work? I thought only chandelure knew it

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 16:25:29 No.45323536 Report

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About to use Chandelure. Should I use it as an anti Trick Room or on hard Trick Room teams?

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 16:52:12 No.45323777 Report

Quoted By: >>45324506

>>45322974
Male Indeedee is the best imo

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 18:09:42 No.45324506 Report

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>>45322974
oh yeah, many pokemon get TR+Imprison. As >>45323777 said Indeedee M is the best known user, but others do exist
>Ninetails
>Gengar
>the Slowpoke line
>Gardevoir/Gallade
>Dusclops
>Cofagrigus
>Gothitelle
and many more

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 18:22:57 No.45324630 Report

Quoted By: >>45324687

>>45322947
to add to this anon's post, consider def/sped dumping on a somewhat equal pokemon to be specialization and hp increasing to be your generalized defense boosting. Further considerations are your HP doubles in Dmax, but your defenses stay the same. Also keep in mind how these stats play into the damage dealt; defenses act as a ratio comparing the opponent's attack power. If your defense is equal to their attack, the stat factor is 1/1=x1. If say you have a 0 Def Stakataka (231 Defense) against a 252 Att Krookodile (185 Attack). Ignoring typing, any physical attack this Krook does will have a multiplier of 185/231= 80%, so because of your higher defense than his attack it will make all his physical hits .8x stronger, or 20% weaker.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 18:24:53 No.45324647 Report

Quoted By: >>45326698

Starting to form a Doubles Team for some online Battle Stadium play using G-Articuno and Indeedee as leads, but I'm rather new to competitive team building and am unsure of what partners would work best for these guys.

I'm thinking Ferrothorn to pivot and help punish Trick Room teams, Scorbunny as an offensive threat, and Landorus Ground as a tank/intimidate supporter. Am I missing anything crucial?

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 18:29:48 No.45324687 Report

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>>45322947
>>45324630
forgot to finish, compare the role of defenses to the role of HP; HP is your flat damage threshold, and will always be Current HP- damage, a simple relationship.
In team building if you have come to the conclusion that you want to build bulk, you must ask yourself "will it be more productive to soften the enemy's blow through defenses, or give myself more HP to take the hit"? Now the damage calculator will be the simplest way of determining that, but understanding WHY will give you a better easier insight on your thought process.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 18:38:51 No.45324778 Report

Quoted By: >>45324791 >>45324824

I need help dealing with Metagross WP cheese shit, it’s upsetting how EZ bake this nonsense is

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 18:39:55 No.45324791 Report

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>>45324778
trick an eject button through Whimsicott or Sableye

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 18:43:29 No.45324824 Report

Quoted By: >>45324971

>>45324778
Since Metagross doesn't get Airstream it relies heavily on team speed control support, just gotta git gud and stall out its dynamax and Tailwind/TR.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 19:00:44 No.45324971 Report

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>>45324824
I have a tailwind whims already for speed control but they’ll often just match with Tornadus, more or less I need a fire special attacker so I can actually threaten it and one team slot available

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 21:23:06 No.45326228 Report

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Finally got back to master ball tier, first time i had trumbles doing so. this meta feels strange

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 22:08:22 No.45326690 Report

Quoted By: >>45326708

I've been facing so many trick room teams that I realized only now that my trick room team doesn't have trick room (my Stakataka had protect) since the opponent always sets it up anyway

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 22:09:29 No.45326698 Report

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>>45324647
Yeah you're missing the fact Articuno flies so it doesn't benefit from the terrain

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 22:10:53 No.45326708 Report

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>>45326690
some teams can have TR answers without TR itself. Would you feel like you'd do better with a TR setter?

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 22:17:28 No.45326761 Report

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Anyone else seeing less WP now? On cart.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 23:41:10 No.45327579 Report

Quoted By: >>45328228

Friends are setting up a VGC event. What's a good troll setup that just fucks with people and makes it hard for them to do anything? SW/SH.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 00:05:00 No.45327803 Report

Quoted By: >>45329368

Any suggestions on making Toxtricity work in VGC?

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 00:12:31 No.45327864 Report

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fuck Metagross and fuck Tapu Finna, fucking cancer ass strat

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 00:44:13 No.45328105 Report

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I learned Raikou can use scald today and that If a Mimikyu is dumb enough to use substitute, it takes full sound based damage.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 00:57:51 No.45328220 Report

Quoted By: >>45329491

The four tapus of healthy meta

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 00:58:53 No.45328228 Report

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>>45327579
The point of literally every team is to make the opponent lose. So any team.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 02:32:07 No.45329274 Report

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>>45322296
You get diminishing returns.
>0 SpA Mew Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Shuckle: 46-55 (18.8 - 22.5%) -- possible 5HKO
>0 SpA Mew Psychic vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Shuckle: 42-49 (23.2 - 27%) -- 47.9% chance to 4HKO
>0 SpA Mew Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Regidrago: 169-199 (27.9 - 32.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
>0 SpA Mew Psychic vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Regidrago: 115-136 (21.2 - 25.1%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO
Shuckle, which has insanely high defenses and insanely low HP, benefits more from max HP EV's.
Regidrago, which has insanely high HP and low defenses, benefits more from max SpD EV's.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 02:42:52 No.45329368 Report

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>>45327803
Take advantage of its unique traits like its gmax form and Overdrive+Throat Spray. It's decent as long as you play around ground types, but that can be pretty hard.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 02:59:22 No.45329491 Report

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>>45328220
>Origamis you

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 03:32:20 No.45329713 Report

Quoted By: >>45329716

Theory crafted a core based on ideas ive been seeing floating around. Grassy seed Spectrere (ignore Shuppet) with a slow Rillaboom, support Prankster Thundy, TR Cress, Ally Swap Stakataka and Inner Focus Entei. Thoughts/opinions?

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 03:33:09 No.45329716 Report

Quoted By: >>45329733

>>45329713
Shuppet line is in Swsh now? Guess I should fill out my tundra dex

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 03:36:11 No.45329733 Report

Quoted By: >>45329740

>>45329716
This is an app called Poketype that hasn't updated much since Isle of Armor. It's just got a nat dex compendium and a built in team builder almost as good as Marillands. I just used him as a placeholder.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 03:37:08 No.45329740 Report

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>>45329733
Shuppet is in the game now?

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 07:53:32 No.45330993 Report

Quoted By: >>45331015

My Spectrere's Shadow Ball-based Maxed Phantasm'ed with a Helping Hand boost against and OHKOed a maxed Metagross. According to my calcs a completely defensively uninvested has a 6% chance to OHKO, is there something I'm missing or was it really just this luck? The item wasn't impacting damage.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 07:59:23 No.45331015 Report

Quoted By: >>45331157

>>45330993
Either you’re really lucky or you were playing on cart against some guy who didn’t use dynamax candies on his Metagross.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 08:30:26 No.45331099 Report

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I'm trying to make a team that revolves around snowballing Kartana because it is doing a really good job for me. Any pointers?

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 08:44:05 No.45331140 Report

Quoted By: >>45331158 >>45331178

Got to master rank with this team. Now I'll make a new one, tell me a mon I should try out

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 08:44:12 No.45331141 Report

Quoted By: >>45331149

>>45331099
Bruh what is that Lucario.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 08:48:00 No.45331149 Report

Quoted By: >>45331159

>>45331141
Just there to do coaching and maybe counter incineroar. I forgot to do evs but its gonna be SpA so intimidate won't bother it. And coaching+beast boost+max knuckle can get Kartana to +3 attack in the right circumstances.
I'm open to other suggestions though

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 08:50:01 No.45331157 Report

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>>45331015
was showdown

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 08:50:55 No.45331158 Report

Quoted By: >>45331256

>>45331140
Entei

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 08:51:11 No.45331159 Report

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>>45331149
Probably better off with Riolu so you can prankster Coaching

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 09:01:25 No.45331178 Report

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>>45331140
Regidrago

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 09:09:16 No.45331206 Report

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>>45281173
pair it with whimsicott holding ring target and trick it into the fairy types

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 09:29:08 No.45331256 Report

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>>45331158
I'll try something like this I guess

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 11:19:58 No.45331565 Report

Quoted By: >>45332053

At what tier will this team drop off?

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 13:21:17 No.45331946 Report

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>>45313840
Running it with Lele or Bulu seems like a simple enough solution

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Anonymous Wed 04 Nov 2020 13:45:43 No.45332053 Report

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>>45331565
>Incin is missing a move
>Garchomp and Lando on the same team
>no Excadrill on a „sand” team
>bold Celesteela with heavy slam instead of flash cannon
>that weird ass Tyranitar set
>random ass Porygon2 on a team that already struggles with Fighting weakness
You’ll be lucky to get out of Great Ball tier with this garbage

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