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Is the dexcut THE WAY IT HAS BEEN EXECUTED bad enough alone to justify saying the game sucks?

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:08:31 No.45412874 View View Reply Original Report

https://strawpoll.com/ejr8dvu7u

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:10:17 No.45412899 Report

Quoted By: >>45412960 >>45413422 >>45415485 >>45415521 >>45416807 >>45418834 >>45420465

>>45412874
No
The main reason shy gen 8 sucks so much ass is because of the terrible competitive scene.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:13:04 No.45412921 Report

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Yes
Having the full dex is the absolute bare minimum. The fact that they failed to do even that is enough for the game to be absolute fucking garbage. It's definitive proof that the game is blatantly unfinished, so why should I even care if the rest of the game is also shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:17:31 No.45412960 Report

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>>45412899
This, it's really funny considering that one anon who keeps arguing that it single-handedly redeems SwSh.
SwSh may have the lowest barrier of entry thus far for competitive, but its a meta not worth messing with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:20:27 No.45412984 Report

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No lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:22:27 No.45413010 Report

Quoted By: >>45413140

>>45412874
It's not enough to say the game sucks. It is enough for me to tell people don't buy it at full price or encourage pirating for any future Switch emulators. I still think it's fun to play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:40:29 No.45413140 Report

Quoted By: >>45413160 >>45413163 >>45415287 >>45416974

>>45413010
Can something suck and still be fun though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:41:25 No.45413147 Report

Quoted By: >>45413169

>>45412874
No. The game has many problems but the dex cut isn't one of them and it's hilarious that's the thing retards choose to focus on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:43:44 No.45413160 Report

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>>45413140
yh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:43:47 No.45413161 Report

Quoted By: >>45413179

>>45412874
No, the game would suck even if it had every Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:43:55 No.45413163 Report

Quoted By: >>45417596

>>45413140
Yes, because the game is more than just completing a national dex. Most people who play Pokemon never ever finish their Dex to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:44:53 No.45413169 Report

Quoted By: >>45413197

>>45413147
>Why would people care about being able to use every creature in their collection in a series about collecting creatures?
It's one thing to not personally care about something it's another to act like no one should take issue with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:45:54 No.45413179 Report

Quoted By: >>45413187

>>45413161
You're misunderstanding the question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:46:11 No.45413180 Report

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>>45412874
It’s multiple factor besides the dex cut but it still contributes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:46:59 No.45413187 Report

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>>45413179
Cutting Pokemon and making you pay to hold them hostage until they maybe show up in the future is one of the most Hebrew things I have ever heard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:48:20 No.45413197 Report

Quoted By: >>45413214

>>45413169
>Why would people care about being able to use every creature
Use them for what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:50:17 No.45413209 Report

Quoted By: >>45413316 >>45413445 >>45413959 >>45415140 >>45415665 >>45416829 >>45417025

Yes.
Benefits of a Dex Cut:
>A more balanced distribution of Pokemon that makes sense for the region
>More opportunities to polish the individual animations and personality of each Pokemon
>Opportunity to let new Pokemon shine and take the spotlight
Instead we got
>Old shitmons in every route
>Kanto starters instead of deer, scottish terrier, and Kalos Pokemon
>re-used animations, with the only new ones being for the gimmick.
>The most barebones and restrictive game to date
So yes, the dex cut alone is enough to call the games bad. They had everything on their side to make a good title that could at least match up with XY and they chose not to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:50:56 No.45413214 Report

Quoted By: >>45413217

>>45413197
Whatever they fucking want outside of tournaments/ranked online

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:51:20 No.45413217 Report

Quoted By: >>45413224 >>45413230

>>45413214
>Whatever they fucking want
Such as.....?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:52:52 No.45413224 Report

Quoted By: >>45413241

>>45413217
replays, breeding, trading, casual matches with friends, etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:52:52 No.45413225 Report

Quoted By: >>45413230 >>45413233

>>45412874
I don't know, does every Pokemon game now suck because none of them have all the Pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:54:04 No.45413230 Report

Quoted By: >>45413247

>>45413217
>what is ribbon farming, Camp, Following Pokemon, challenge runs, themed teams.
Not that they'll ever come back, but contests and photo club were prime candidates for bringing in older Pokemon to mess around with.
>>45413225
>does every Pokemon game now suck because none of them have all the Pokemon?
Nah, but none of them used it as an excuse to cut corners whilst adding nothing in return.
It's been 7 years. I'm still waiting for a game to top XY.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:54:14 No.45413233 Report

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>>45413225
The have all the pokemon up to that point in the code but the lack of the ability to get event exclusives legitimately makes the games feel incomplete.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:55:58 No.45413241 Report

Quoted By: >>45413253 >>45413325 >>45415099 >>45417316

>>45413224
>replays, breeding, trading, casual matches with friends
You can still do all these things with the Pokemon that are in the game. I don't see the issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:57:00 No.45413247 Report

Quoted By: >>45413253 >>45413325

>>45413230
>>what is ribbon farming, Camp, Following Pokemon, challenge runs, themed teams.
You can still do all these things with the Pokemon that are in the game. I don't see the issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:58:00 No.45413252 Report

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>>45412874
The game sucks for different reasons not the dexcut. And there's no point in having polls on /vp/ since it's full of people who rig them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:58:04 No.45413253 Report

Quoted By: >>45413255

>>45413247
>>45413241
But you can't do them with the Pokemon that aren't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 01:58:26 No.45413255 Report

Quoted By: >>45413289 >>45413325 >>45413413

>>45413253
So?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:03:47 No.45413289 Report

Quoted By: >>45413302

>>45413255
The fuck is wrong with you? The issue came from the second post in the chain asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:05:14 No.45413302 Report

Quoted By: >>45413325 >>45413330

>>45413289
What issue? You can do all those things with the Pokemon that are in the game. Unless you're desperate to do those things 900 times the game isn't any worse for not having all your Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:06:43 No.45413313 Report

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>>45412874
I wouldn't mind if they weren't blatantly lying their asses off and they actually cut down pokemon to improve other aspects of the game.
Of course this isn't the case, and we have dogshit games on top of the dex cut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:07:32 No.45413316 Report

Quoted By: >>45413319 >>45417776

>>45413209
>>A more balanced distribution of Pokemon that makes sense for the region
>>More opportunities to polish the individual animations and personality of each Pokemon
>>Opportunity to let new Pokemon shine and take the spotlight
They did all those things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:08:07 No.45413319 Report

Quoted By: >>45413326

>>45413316
Shill

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:08:47 No.45413325 Report

Quoted By: >>45413338

>>45413302
>>45413255
>>45413247
>>45413241

What if i want to have a poison heal pokemon on my team, you fucking faggot? How much are they paying you, 5 cents per post? Clean your brown nose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:08:53 No.45413326 Report

Quoted By: >>45413337 >>45413456 >>45413461

>>45413319
No, I just played the game instead of crying about my Toucannon being missing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:09:32 No.45413330 Report

Quoted By: >>45413338

>>45413302
It is for people who care about their collections a lot you empathy devoid motherfucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:10:32 No.45413337 Report

Quoted By: >>45413346

>>45413326
Playing the game doesn't make you a shill defending the dexcut does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:10:42 No.45413338 Report

Quoted By: >>45413366 >>45413369

>>45413325
>What if i want to have a poison heal pokemon on my team, you fucking faggot?
You do the same thing you do with literally any game that doesn't have something that exists in the game, you use something else instead. Do you want to argue Gen 4 sucks because I can't use my Ice Punch Alakazam strategy anymore too?

>>45413330
I don't see what caring about your collection has to do with actually using them 900 times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:11:53 No.45413346 Report

Quoted By: >>45413369 >>45413425 >>45414029

>>45413337
The game has better looking models than XY and SM, this is a fact
The game has animations XY and SM didn't have for the older Pokemon, this is a fact
Newer Pokemon became more usable thanks to older Pokemon not being in the game, this is a fact

Try playing the game instead of crying about your Dustox being gone, anon. Maybe you might enjoy it.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:14:54 No.45413365 Report

Quoted By: >>45413640

>>45412874
Wtf happened to Strawpoll

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:15:34 No.45413366 Report

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>>45413338
Literally grasping at straws. Work harder or masuda won't pay you and you will have to start eating rocks and drinking rain water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:15:44 No.45413369 Report

Quoted By: >>45413381 >>45413388

>>45413338
It's about having access to what we collected. How is this complicated for you to understand? Are you really that self centered?
>>45413346
> A plus tweaks is better than A that's an objective fact
> Newer Pokemon became more usable thanks to older Pokemon not being in the game, this is a fact
How exactly? If you're talking about competitive, they could have just made a banlist and Landorus is back anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:17:21 No.45413381 Report

Quoted By: >>45413393

>>45413369
>It's about having access to what we collected
You do have access to what you collected. Just use what's in the game. If you actually have a big collection like you claim then this shouldn't be an issue. I'm using the Naganadel and Celesteela I got from USUM in my new Battle Stadium team and it's working great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:18:29 No.45413388 Report

Quoted By: >>45413400

>>45413369
>A plus tweaks is better than A that's an objective fact
Yes.

>Newer Pokemon became more usable thanks to older Pokemon not being in the game, this is a fact
Yes.

>If you're talking about competitive, they could have just made a banlist
Why waste development time putting them in the game if you can't even use them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:18:46 No.45413393 Report

Quoted By: >>45413401 >>45413419

>>45413381
Collection is about a sense of completeness. If I can't access ALL OF IT then it fucks the whole thing up. HOW ARE YOU THIS FUCKING DUMB?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:19:47 No.45413400 Report

Quoted By: >>45413420

>>45413388
>>Newer Pokemon became more usable thanks to older Pokemon not being in the game, this is a fact
>Yes.
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:19:52 No.45413401 Report

Quoted By: >>45413414 >>45413453

>>45413393
>Collection is about a sense of completeness
Ok? There's just as much a sense of completeness if it's sitting on Home or in separate games as it is if it were sitting in one game.

>If I can't access ALL OF IT
Why would you need to access all of it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:21:21 No.45413411 Report

Quoted By: >>45413424

>We're not bringing back every pokemon!
>:(
>Jk with the DLC we'll add them!
:)
>But not all of them!
>>:(

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:21:36 No.45413413 Report

Quoted By: >>45413435

>>45413255
>So?
People want to play with the mons they like is this so hard for you to understand

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:21:36 No.45413414 Report

Quoted By: >>45413435

>>45413401
>There's just as much a sense of completeness
No there isn't.
> Why would you need to access all of it?
Because I want to and having full access gives me piece of mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:22:01 No.45413419 Report

Quoted By: >>45413441

>>45413393
anon, I'm literally taking a shit rn reading this thread and I got to say you are really fucking stupid for trying to reason with an obvious retard shitposting

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:22:17 No.45413420 Report

Quoted By: >>45413441

>>45413400
>HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!?
Reduced power creep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:22:33 No.45413422 Report

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>>45412899
You know the drill, post ELO.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:22:39 No.45413424 Report

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>>45413411

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:22:51 No.45413425 Report

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>>45413346
>The game has better looking models than XY and SM, this is a fact
>The game has animations XY and SM didn't have for the older Pokemon, this is a fact
>Newer Pokemon became more usable thanks to older Pokemon not being in the game, this is a fact
holy shit that's the most retarded thing i heard all day, you're wrong, go back shill

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:23:59 No.45413435 Report

Quoted By: >>45413452 >>45413647

>>45413413
>People want to play with the mons they like
Then use a different Pokemon you like. Why complain about the game not having 200 extra Pokemon if you only care about using 1 of them anyway?

>>45413414
>No there isn't.
Yes there is. Your collection still exists.

>Because I want to
That isn't a reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:24:14 No.45413441 Report

Quoted By:

>>45413419
People actually think like that though
>>45413420
They already did this in previous gens with banlists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:24:14 No.45413442 Report

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>>45412874
It's not even the dex cut, but the fact that they cut the dex and then made a shit game which didn't justify it, and then brought the dex back anyway with shit dlc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:24:27 No.45413445 Report

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>>45413209
>A more balanced distribution of Pokemon that makes sense for the region
>Opportunity to let new Pokemon shine and take the spotlight
All possible with any regional dex. That is to say, they can still do this while having every pokemon in the game's code.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:25:15 No.45413452 Report

Quoted By: >>45413464

>>45413435
>extra
... you're retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:25:21 No.45413453 Report

Quoted By: >>45413464

>>45413401
>Why would you need to access all of it?
>what is ribbon farming, Camp, Following Pokemon, challenge runs, themed teams.
If GameFreak is going to keep doing "exclusive" features for shit that should be a staple in the series like following and contests, the only solace is that at least you can experience those things with your favorites. If you can't, there's not really any reason to mess with them at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:25:44 No.45413456 Report

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>>45413326
>toucannon
Oh, you're yawntranny. Moving from maractus, to stantler, and now this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:26:23 No.45413461 Report

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>>45413326
Sounds like you didn't because they didn't do any of those things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:26:50 No.45413464 Report

Quoted By: >>45413468 >>45413565

>>45413453
>>what is ribbon farming, Camp, Following Pokemon, challenge runs, themed teams.
You can do these things with the Pokemon that are in the game. I don't see the issue.

>you can experience those things with your favorites
You can experience those things with your favorites, that are in the game.

>>45413452
Huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:27:38 No.45413468 Report

Quoted By: >>45413621

>>45413464
What do you think extra means dummy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:42:36 No.45413565 Report

Quoted By: >>45413621

>>45413464
>You can do these things with the Pokemon that are in the game. I don't see the issue.
But you can't do them with the ones that aren't in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:49:08 No.45413601 Report

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>>45412874
The game is terrible anyway, but I think that failing to have every pokemon is just such a shit move, like c'mon that's like, the ONLY reason a good chunk of people still played the games

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:52:46 No.45413621 Report

Quoted By: >>45413793

>>45413468
It means more.

>>45413565
So?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:55:17 No.45413640 Report

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>>45413365
strawpoll.com vs strawpoll.me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 02:56:36 No.45413647 Report

Quoted By: >>45413817

>>45413435
I’m already using the mons I like in the game but they’re are some I like I can’t use right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:04:33 No.45413687 Report

Quoted By:

If I had a million smackeroonies to give away, or 1000 1000’s, do you think the whinging and complaining about the current state of Pokémon on this board would end if I gave all 1000 of you most regular visitors $1000.00 to:
>buy a switch ($300.00+tip)
>buy a definitive edition of Sw/Sh ($90.00+tip)
>buy two years of Pokémon HOME service ($32.00+tip?)
>buy you an hour of sex with your favorite pokegirl ($500)
>get some snacks from the local mart
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:06:16 No.45413700 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:13:45 No.45413749 Report

Quoted By: >>45413803

>>45412874
No. Dexcut was inevitable, it didn't need to happen now, this is really just a test run to see how much worse they can make things over time. For now you don't technically have to pay for the DLC to use Pokémon added in updates, I doubt that will be the case two consoles from now. I never gave a fuck about transferring my heaps of data over, it's everything else about Pokémon that is either going through the motions or just outright worse than before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:17:55 No.45413782 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
No.
I like the game but its biggest faults have nothing to do with the dex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:19:14 No.45413793 Report

Quoted By: >>45413817

>>45413621
More than what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:20:40 No.45413803 Report

Quoted By: >>45413830

>>45413749
>Dexcut was inevitable
>this bike is going south it will reach Antarctica eventually

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:23:23 No.45413817 Report

Quoted By: >>45413848

>>45413647
>but they’re are some I like I can’t use right now
So?

>>45413793
More than the Pokemon that are in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:23:41 No.45413819 Report

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>>45412874
As someone who hates the game, no. Their reasons for doing so are a much bigger factor for me, honestly, because a lot of them just feel like tired, cliched excuses and lies that have been proven wrong time and time again. And clearly they can't just say "well we just don't wanna do it" which is the only true answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:25:18 No.45413830 Report

Quoted By: >>45413852

>>45413803
>Dexcut was inevitable
>this bottle is leaking water it will run out of water eventually

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:28:44 No.45413848 Report

Quoted By: >>45413850

>>45413817
> More than the Pokemon that are in the game.
Not what it means

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:29:07 No.45413850 Report

Quoted By: >>45413862

>>45413848
Yes what it means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:29:46 No.45413852 Report

Quoted By: >>45413945

>>45413830
Bottle? More like Ocean

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:31:06 No.45413862 Report

Quoted By: >>45413936

>>45413850
> Busts down a wall
> 4 walls = 3 + 1 extra
okay dumbass

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:44:23 No.45413936 Report

Quoted By: >>45418575

>>45413862
>basket has 4 apples
>add an apple
>5 apples isn’t 4 + 1 extra
okay dumbass

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:45:29 No.45413945 Report

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>>45413852
Yes, if an ocean leaks water it will eventually run out. Glad you agree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:48:40 No.45413959 Report

Quoted By: >>45413966

>>45413209
Just do what Black and White did. Forces you to use the new Poke and after you beat the Elite Four, every other region's Poke get unlocked and start swarming the region.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:50:27 No.45413966 Report

Quoted By: >>45414005

>>45413959
But if they did that, all the people that haven't played a Pokemon game in 20+ years will complain about not having their pikachus or zubats and we can't have that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 03:58:53 No.45414005 Report

Quoted By: >>45414546

>>45413966
Woobat line was worse than Zubat from both a visual and power point. Emolga wasn't even a line while Pikachu had an evo and later a baby evo. People's willingness to go all in new gen is based on the quality of the new mobs, and many of gen 5 were weaker than previous

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 04:04:13 No.45414029 Report

Quoted By:

>>45413346
>makes a patch specifically focusing on adding back legendaries including Lando-T

How usable are shitmons like sandaconda now that all of the cancer is back like the tapus. In terms you may understand "oh wait theyre not, this is a fact"

and who the fuck cares about models. only graphic whores care about things like the n64 trees. Id be fine w the seires if they stayed at BW grapics. Something looking nice doesnt make it better, this is a fact

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 04:28:11 No.45414159 Report

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Imagine unironically spending your time defending one of the scummiest videogame developers on a chinese cartoons imageboard.
For free.
At least jannies somehow contribute to improving this board, they are loser faggots but they actually do some good. You on the other hand, all you do is further drag pokemon's ship to make it sink lower and lower in the ocean of mediocrity. You are even more pathetic than jannies, let that sink in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 05:38:07 No.45414546 Report

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>>45414005
Woobat and Swoobat are better than the whole Zubat line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:09:41 No.45415049 Report

Quoted By: >>45415060

>>45412874
In general everything about swsh is a scummy cash grab.
The game is lacking content without dlc and it's obvious that they cut some pokemon so people would have a greater incentive to buy the dlc

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:11:56 No.45415060 Report

Quoted By: >>45415082 >>45418586 >>45419042

>>45415049
In general everything about diaper is a scummy cash grab.
The game is lacking content without the separate full price product and it's obvious that they cut some forms so people would have a greater incentive to buy the separate full price product

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:13:07 No.45415068 Report

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>>45412874
I personally think if people are allowed to cancel games like Skullgirls over shit the developers like MikeZ handle things internally, then yeah, I should be able to discredit the whole of gen 8 off dexcut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:16:03 No.45415082 Report

Quoted By: >>45415088

>>45415060
Hello yawnfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:17:38 No.45415088 Report

Quoted By: >>45415100

>>45415082
he's not wrong tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:20:40 No.45415099 Report

Quoted By: >>45415110

>>45413241
The original issue brought up here is that people want to do those things with all their guys they collected, not just the ones that made the cut for swsh. Variety is the spice of life anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:20:50 No.45415100 Report

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>>45415088
Maybe. But him backing up your argument makes your's lost its value.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:22:33 No.45415110 Report

Quoted By: >>45415153

>>45415099
>is that people want to do those things with all their guys they collected
But you can. Just use the parts of your collection that are in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:29:14 No.45415140 Report

Quoted By: >>45415147

The Dexcut was garbage because of the reasons >>45413209 described. If GF weren't lying about why they cut the dex (to sell DLC) and instead ACTUALLY worked on improving the animations of the Pokemon present to be at or near PBR levels I feel like the whole thing would have gone over a lot better.
BW is how you do a "dex cut" properly with giving all of the new Pokemon ample space to shine and be fleshed out, even if SWSH couldn't go all the way and still had to use old Pokemon, the fact that a huge part of SWSH revolves around Charizard is awful. Moving on to future Pokemon games, I sincerely doubt anyone is going to say Gen 8 did anything right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:30:32 No.45415147 Report

Quoted By: >>45415166

>>45415140
>and instead ACTUALLY worked on improving the animations
They did though.

>to be at or near PBR levels
So you just wanted the animations to be pointlessly long? Why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:31:57 No.45415153 Report

Quoted By: >>45415175

>>45415110
My collection is either cut from the dex or useless because GF removed mega evolutions, furthermore, them being in SWSH doesn't mean they're safe from getting cut from the next game that has an incomplete dex.
I don't understand why I should pay more money for less freedom over my Pokemon, it's okay if you're fine with eating shit but don't expect others to put up with it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:34:28 No.45415166 Report

Quoted By: >>45415178 >>45415186

>>45415147
>They did though.
They still use the same animations from XY though.
>So you just wanted the animations to be pointlessly long? Why?
Things like improving the idle, hurt and attacking animations would not slow the battle down, the reason PBR battles take a long time is because every Pokemon has to walk up and hit the opponent, then you need to wait for their HP to go down, etc. You can have speedy animations without them looking lifeless like SWSH's (read: XY's) do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:36:43 No.45415175 Report

Quoted By:

>>45415153
>My collection is either cut from the dex or useless
You must have a pretty pathetic collection then. Are you sure you really care that much about collecting in a monster collection series?

>them being in SWSH doesn't mean they're safe from getting cut from the next game
Cool, just use a different part of your collection then. I know I will.

>I don't understand why I should pay more money for less freedom over my Pokemon
But I don't have less freedom over my Pokemon. I just use what's in the game like always.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:38:00 No.45415178 Report

Quoted By: >>45415192 >>45417457 >>45417781

>>45415166
>They still use the same animations from XY though
I've been posting this gif for over a year and NO ONE has been able to show it being used in gen 6 or 7. I'm still waiting.

>Things like improving the idle, hurt and attacking animations would not slow the battle down
Making them longer would slow the battle down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:39:04 No.45415182 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
>Its another Stantler thread

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:39:28 No.45415186 Report

Quoted By: >>45415203 >>45416921

>>45415166

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:40:23 No.45415192 Report

Quoted By: >>45415197

>>45415178
>one (1) animation being used in the gen's gimmick suddenly eradicates all of the reused animations in SWSH and justifes the dex cut
Okay, shill.
>Making them longer would slow the battle down.
Ironic that you say this while also posting Dynamax which is a 15+ second cutscene anyway.
Also read
>>. You can have speedy animations without them looking lifeless like SWSH's (read: XY's) do.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:41:49 No.45415197 Report

Quoted By: >>45415236

>>45415192
>>one (1) animation

>>You can have speedy animations without them looking lifeless like SWSH's (read: XY's) do.
Explain how to make them better without making them longer.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:42:31 No.45415203 Report

Quoted By: >>45415233

>>45415186
I honestly feel like this encapsulates my point pretty well.
>star Pokemon of the DLC gets a super speshull animation
>Sawk takes it like he would take a tackle
Meanwhile, 10+ years ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:45:44 No.45415214 Report

Quoted By: >>45415237

>>45412874
No

What makes them bad is the 20 minute battle timer. Seriously the worst decision in the entire game.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:50:30 No.45415233 Report

Quoted By: >>45415242

>>45415203
Meanwhile, 10+ years ago we had a Pidgeot with a retardedly long fainting animation that slogs the game down and a Hyper Beam animation worse than Sword and Shield.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:51:23 No.45415236 Report

Quoted By: >>45415241

>>45415197
First part of that gif is Raichu's Pokeball exit animation and the second part is it's generic special attack animation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:51:32 No.45415237 Report

Quoted By: >>45418870

>>45415214
>playing 6v6
LMAO

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:53:04 No.45415241 Report

Quoted By:

>>45415236
Nope. The animation is unique.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:53:30 No.45415242 Report

Quoted By: >>45415245

>>45415233
Animations can be sped up though, I'd rather take webm related over SWSH

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:54:13 No.45415245 Report

Quoted By: >>45415256 >>45415262

>>45415242
>Animations can be sped up though
They already are sped up.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 07:57:54 No.45415256 Report

Quoted By: >>45415262 >>45415265

>>45415245
SWSH's animations are very cut and dry though, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to explain to you that you can have an animation be fast and look good at the same time.
There were those videos of that chinese Pokemon mobile game that had good animations and yet faster battles than the mainline games but I don't have them on me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:00:52 No.45415262 Report

Quoted By:

>>45415256
>>45415245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrCVmPlkIr4
Oh hey, I found it in an old Distant Kingdom video.

The point I'm making is you don't need to compromise between speed and quality, you can have both at once and GF has refused to improve the animations for a decade now and have even gotten lazier in some aspects.

Dexcut was their chance to do so and they let it by without actually improving anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:01:15 No.45415265 Report

Quoted By: >>45415274

>>45415256
>you can have an animation be fast and look good at the same time.
They already are fast and look good.

>There were those videos of that chinese Pokemon mobile game that had good animations
You mean the same one that only had like not even 30 pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:01:16 No.45415266 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
Don’t give a shit about the missing mons, I only play story and do so with new Pokémon only. But fuck this game leaves you blue balled

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:03:34 No.45415273 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
Just the Dex cut? No, the game sucks for way too many other reasons other than not being able to put Rattata on my team for 20th time.

The way you worded it in the poll? Yes. Biggest things bringing the game down are (in order of importance) horribly designed map/dungeons/puzzles (or the lack of thereof), NPCs interrupting you non stop, terribly written dialouge and characters (which wouldnt be an issue IF THEY WERE NOT FORCED ON YOU NON STOP) and the absolutely garbage graphics and animations. Special mention goes to the postgame grind gatekeeping people out of the PvP which is the only worthwhile thing about Pokemon nowadays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:03:46 No.45415274 Report

Quoted By: >>45415275

>>45415265
>They already are fast and look good.
You must not play other games if you think they look good, which wouldn't be surprising considering you're defending GF.
>You mean the same one that only had like not even 30 pokemon?
Yes, the same one done by literal chinese sweatshop workers, versus the company that owns the largest IP in history. You realize GF doesn't even make their own animations right? They're outsourced and yet are still low quality.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:04:46 No.45415275 Report

Quoted By: >>45415320

>>45415274
>You must not play other games
I do. Tell me which other turn based RPGs have better animations.

>Yes, the same one done by literal chinese sweatshop workers,
For a game with only 30 pokemon lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:05:56 No.45415278 Report

Quoted By: >>45415285

Do I have to pay jewtendo for pokemon home if I want to use a GTS?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:06:54 No.45415285 Report

Quoted By:

>>45415278
No. The GTS is free. Moving Pokemon between games/profiles is free too. Enjoy. :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:07:03 No.45415287 Report

Quoted By:

>>45413140
Of course. Something can be bad and still enjoyable. It depends on what is bad and what a single person enjoys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:17:43 No.45415320 Report

Quoted By: >>45415328

>>45415275
>Tell me which other turn based RPGs have better animations.
Fire Emblem Fates and Three Houses, Digimon Cyber Sleuth, Yokai Watch 3, Disgaea 6, and while this isn't turn based I'm a big fan of Ni No Kuni 2's and Yokai Watch 4's animations. I'd consider DQ11's animations about on par with Pokemon, but the thing about all the games I've motioned is that Pokémon sells like 15 times more than all of them, yet is still outdone visually by every game except FE:TH. There's just no excuse for it.
>For a game with only 30 pokemon lmao
LGPE cut the Pokemon total down to the smallest it's been in over 20 years and they didn't improve a damn thing, even the walking and running animations were lifted from S/M. Don't pretend like the dex count has anything to do with the effort GF wants to put in.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:20:14 No.45415328 Report

Quoted By: >>45415331 >>45415339

>>45415320
>Fire Emblem Fates and Three Houses, Digimon Cyber Sleuth,
I know for a fact these two don't have better animations because I've played Fates and Three Houses and I've seen Digimon Cybershit's garbage animations plenty of times. I'm just going to assume the rest of the post is equally disingenuous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:21:13 No.45415331 Report

Quoted By: >>45415341

>>45415328
Okay shill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:22:24 No.45415339 Report

Quoted By: >>45415342

>>45415328
Wait, that's the generic attack though, why would you leave out that every Digimon has it's own special animation about on par with stuff that only starters and legendary Pokemon get?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:22:34 No.45415341 Report

Quoted By: >>45415392

>>45415331
>it's fine when something that isn't pokemon has shit animations and I'm going to pretend it's better than pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:23:21 No.45415342 Report

Quoted By:

>>45415339
Because it would go against my argument anon

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:35:09 No.45415392 Report

Quoted By: >>45415488

>>45415341
Ironically even that is better than the vast majority of Pokemon's attack animations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:38:30 No.45415409 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
by itself? no. to me the worst part is more the lack of optional routes, dungeons, exploration, and linear hallway design of the game and all its routes. Dexcut would be fine on its own if the rest of the game was good enough to make up for it. You could have a game with Dexcut still be amazing - this just wasn't it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:42:25 No.45415425 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
What a shitty fucking poll
No, the dexcut isn't the reason this games are a disappointment
The lack of polish in the graphic and animations department is

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 08:57:28 No.45415474 Report

Quoted By:

Swsh battles would improve tenfold if they played the text box and move animations simultaneously instead of wasting the players time

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 09:01:35 No.45415485 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412899
Competitive balance and variety clearly wasn't the aim of the initial cut and it certainly hasn't been kept up by the DLC. XY's regional dex seemed really purposeful for VGC, everything ultimately had checks and the meta developed organically. Sun/Moon was terrible, the big players were established immediately and nothing really changed. Initial SwSh was the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 09:03:38 No.45415488 Report

Quoted By: >>45415490

>>45415392
Not the anon you're answering, but you're wrong. That animation from Digimon was embarassing, it's just swinging its arms, at least the one from Axew looks like a real attack,

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 09:04:28 No.45415490 Report

Quoted By: >>45417731

>>45415488
Swinging it's arms like a little kid is cute and has more personality than the generic attacks you see Pokemon do in 3D.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 09:11:50 No.45415521 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412899
Of course competitivefags only care about competitive. No, swooshi sucks and it's not because of your stupid meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 09:50:01 No.45415665 Report

Quoted By: >>45417038

>>45413209
>A more balanced distribution of Pokemon that makes sense for the region
Why do people always say this point as if every pokemon being coded into the game would mean they would be encounterable? Like am I missing something? The regional dex and pokemon you can catch would literally be unchanged, the only difference is you could transfer over anything you wanted once HOME became accessible, rather than the pokemon limited to the regional dex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 09:51:03 No.45415668 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
I say no

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 13:16:50 No.45416518 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
No, the game is also lazy as fuck, with shit graphics and animations

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 13:34:21 No.45416612 Report

Quoted By:

No, the game sucks for a plethora of reasons. The dexcut is just a symptom, not a cause.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 13:36:18 No.45416620 Report

Quoted By:

The thread title and the poll description are different ideas, stop that shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 14:20:23 No.45416807 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412899
>Competitive is bad because my autistic simulator doesn't want to change

lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 14:22:32 No.45416816 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874

The game doesn't suck. Even with the dex cuts. So no.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 14:22:32 No.45416817 Report

Quoted By:

>yawnfag is still at it
Changing textures is very hard work, puriizu andaasutando ando bai ol aua DiEruShi!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 14:25:20 No.45416829 Report

Quoted By:

>>45413209
the benefits you're listing come from a regional dex cut, not a national dex cut. Just goes to show that swsh fails in both aspects

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 14:28:44 No.45416842 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
Honestly no, but even then it should still be in the game regardless of what me or anyone else thinks. Games are still a step down from SM/USUM, maybe they'll get their footing? inb4 probably not

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 14:45:50 No.45416921 Report

Quoted By:

>>45415186
>special animation plays and clearly stops
>2 extra hits come out of nowhere
>the guy taking said hits barely flinches
this animation would be 100X better if the hits were spliced in during the flurry animation

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 14:55:38 No.45416974 Report

Quoted By:

>>45413140
Uhhhh yeah look at any game before gen 3

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 15:03:45 No.45417025 Report

Quoted By: >>45417418

>>45413209
>A more balanced distribution of Pokemon that makes sense for the region
You don't need a cut for it as not cutting the dex just means making mons obtained in previous games available, not having them in the region. Anyone who played a previous pokemon game would know this.
>More opportunities to polish the individual animations and personality of each Pokemon
Not 100% achievable with a dexcut and the game that had to sell the new policy didn't feature this.
>Opportunity to let new Pokemon shine and take the spotlight
On what? On the main story? That can happen by pushing the for post-game like Gen 5 did.
On competitive? That can be done with a filter such as the ones SWSH itself has or the ones every previous game had which you'd know if you played them. Not to mention the promise made was that every pokemon in the game would shine which did not happen, there are still some mons more used than the others.

You had a year and a half to come with something resembling an argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 15:04:49 No.45417038 Report

Quoted By:

>>45415665
> Like am I missing something?
Yes, that you assume people defending the cut played a previous game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 15:06:21 No.45417052 Report

Quoted By:

The Dexcut by itself is never the problem
How Gamefreak handled it and making it obvious the Game was rushed pushes it over the limit, especially the claim that the Dexcut itself is leading into graphics and animations

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 15:18:46 No.45417136 Report

Quoted By:

Without a doubt it makes it awful.
The worst part about the dexcut is the fact there was no other justifiable reason for it, other than creating another reason to buy the DLC. Rather than creating even more DLC content for the game, they get just a small amount of shit to do and throw in "also your old friends are coming back!!". TPC literally has no reason for it as the beta versions have already showcased they intended for all the pokemon to return.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 15:45:08 No.45417316 Report

Quoted By: >>45417411

>>45413241
Retard. How about all pokemon are deleted except pikachu and charizard? no problem, right? you can just
>replays, breeding, trading, casual matches
with charizard and pikachu

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 15:57:18 No.45417393 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
Yes but the games have more glaring issues that show signs of incompleteness

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 15:59:19 No.45417411 Report

Quoted By:

>>45417316
>How about all pokemon are deleted except pikachu and charizard
Then there wouldn’t be enough Pokemon to catch in the game itself, then it would be a problem. Not sure how this relates to the game not having a few hundred extra Pokemon you would have to transfer in from a completely different game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:00:35 No.45417418 Report

Quoted By: >>45417442

>>45417025
>and the game that had to sell the new policy didn't feature this.
Yes it did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:03:25 No.45417442 Report

Quoted By: >>45417457

>>45417418
>>45413584
there's literally a thread on the fact that it doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:05:41 No.45417457 Report

Quoted By: >>45417514

>>45417442
>>45415178
there's literally a post on the fact it does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:12:46 No.45417514 Report

Quoted By: >>45417601

>>45417457
That just proves there's an animation not used in previous gens, not that they worked on the individuality of each species.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:21:34 No.45417596 Report

Quoted By:

>>45413163
MOOODS

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:22:16 No.45417601 Report

Quoted By: >>45417658

>>45417514
>That just proves they worked on the individuality of each species, not that they worked on the individuality of each species.

huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:26:47 No.45417658 Report

Quoted By: >>45417668

>>45417601
There's more to a species than just what it does when dynamaxing anon.
Heck, dynamax wasn't even a thing for most of the franchises's lifetime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:27:56 No.45417668 Report

Quoted By: >>45417704

>>45417658
>There's more to a species than just what it does when dynamaxing anon.
So? They still added to the individuality of each species.

>Heck, dynamax wasn't even a thing for most of the franchises's lifetime.
Yes, which is why they worked to add animations specifically for this game. Thanks for agreeing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:31:26 No.45417702 Report

Quoted By: >>45417728

>>45412874
No. It’s the dex cut compounded on top of the rest of GF’s retarded failures over a period of 7 years. If GF were a competent company for the past 2 gens and they announced the dex cut to improve the rest of the game, there wouldn’t be nearly as much outrage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:31:31 No.45417704 Report

Quoted By: >>45417716

>>45417668
>So? They still added to the individuality of each species.
But not fully, which is what was promised.
>Yes, which is why they worked to add animations specifically for this game. Thanks for agreeing.
If they had to add it specifically for this game means there's more to pokemon than how they dynamax. Thanks for agreeing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:32:40 No.45417716 Report

Quoted By: >>45417786 >>45417977

>>45417704
>But not fully, which is what was promised.
But yes fully, which is what was promised.

>If they had to add it specifically for this game means there's more to pokemon than how they dynamax.
But Dynamax is a part of Pokemon, meaning they added individuality to each species. Thanks for agreeing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:34:04 No.45417728 Report

Quoted By:

>>45417702
>on top of the rest of GF’s retarded failures over a period of 7 years
18 years*

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:34:20 No.45417731 Report

Quoted By:

>>45415490
>

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:38:44 No.45417776 Report

Quoted By: >>45417781

>>45413316
The animations were exactly the same as the last 2 gens.

In terms of distribution, you're right that mons like Toucanon are ill-fitting, but so are Passimian and Oranguru, whilst typically British mons like Granbull, Swanna and Herdier weren't around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:39:02 No.45417781 Report

Quoted By:

>>45417776
>The animations were exactly the same as the last 2 gens.
>>45415178

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:39:27 No.45417786 Report

Quoted By:

>>45417716
>But yes fully, which is what was promised.
>fully
>dynamax is all there is to a pokemon
Please point me a Gen 1 dex entry that describes how the mon dynamaxes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 16:43:12 No.45417815 Report

Quoted By:

I dont understand "yawnfag." Yawnfag, can't you see that some people prefer some of the older animation work done in games like PBR or Colo more than they like the newer stuff? Your obsession is bizarre.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 17:06:47 No.45417977 Report

Quoted By: >>45418744

>>45417716
god i love how you act like they needed to cut pokemon to give every one of the remaining ones a single new animation, your logic is terrible for my sides.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 17:26:07 No.45418142 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
Where's the "maybe not, but Sw/Sh suck for a plethora of other reasons" option?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 17:41:30 No.45418273 Report

Quoted By: >>45418333 >>45419006

Gamefreak has been pulling some bullshit since Gen 6 but the dexcut was the last straw for a lot of people.
It’s as simple as that. Most people were okay with how buggy and simple it looked, the proof was the reactions to the first 2 trailers especially the reveal of the Wild area

But E3 destroyed a lot of people’s optimistic learning how buggy and unfinished it is + the sloppy reveal of the dex cut was the killing point

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 17:42:55 No.45418281 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
Dexcut is the least of SWSH's problems

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 17:50:06 No.45418333 Report

Quoted By: >>45420111 >>45420670

>>45418273
>but the dexcut was the last straw for a lot of people.
Honestly, I think if they had come out and said that they were going to add in Pokemon with updates, but you'll only be able to transfer over Pokemon that already exist in the game at launch, the vast majority of people would've been fine with it. Because let's face it, they're going to do a Sinnoh remake that's going to get two sets of DLC just like SwSh did, and by the end of that, SwSh will have compatibility patches that give access to all the Pokemon.

But they didn't.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 18:12:19 No.45418483 Report

Quoted By:

>>45412874
*SUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCC*
>Linear and smallest region in the franchise
>3 major cities, less than any other game
>One town is literally a pokémon center and a gym
>10 routes (less than any other game) which are literally hallways
>Wild area is an empty laggy multiplayer lobby
>No exploration/dungeons at all
>Escape rope is useless and infinite; there's nowhere you can get lost
>No day/night cycle until postgame except wild area
>The rest of the region has progression-gated day/night cycle during the story
>Online multiplayer paywalled by NSO
>Pay Home or they'll delete your old pokémon
>Awful story, even by Pokemon standards
>Elite 4 replaced by 3 battles against n00bs like you and heal you between fights
>must talk to a random NPC just to be able to adjust volume controls
>Postgame shorter than XY
>Most generic battle tower in the franchise
>Cut battle over 100 moves and mechanics like megas and z-moves entirely
>Cut over half of the dex to "improve" graphics and lock it behind DLC
>STILL runs at 30FPS
>Same models and animations except a few specific attacks
>Worst pokémon designs in the franchise
>RNG is ALWAYS against you
>Kanto pandering
>20$ more for much less and messier overall content
>forced broken exp system
>game is not balanced around forced exp share
>still full of unskippable cutscenes despite having a terrible story
>postgame and GTS sold separately
>game boy-tier "animations" despite promising otherwise
>soundtrack is meh at best
>resources wasted on a curry minigame
>have to pay an extra $30 for post-game DLC
>still won’t have all the Pokemon after DLC
>$90 for the "full" game
>Credits movie was the last file modified before release
>main game development was finished in MAY; both DLC parts were finished by the base game's release
>over 30 copies of Hop's and Sonia's models in the game's files
>DLC legendaries (and Cosmog) are STILL shiny locked
>Light of Ruin is STILL coded in the game, unlike its only possible user

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 18:24:52 No.45418575 Report

Quoted By:

>>45413936
You're physically incapable of understanding the point. I pity you for lack empathy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 18:27:00 No.45418586 Report

Quoted By: >>45418748

>>45415060
> Pokemon was always anti consumer
That doesn't make anything okay. They became more anti consumer over time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 18:51:31 No.45418741 Report

Quoted By:

>Spaces between >> green texts
>Counters arguments with “not really”
>Always brings up Platinum and says Pokémon was always bad
>Always uses PBR webms to argue swsh is faster
>Always uses the same weavile and raichu images to argue swsh has new animations that justify dexcut
>Always miss points entirely just make themselves feel their side of the argument is winning
These are the signs of yawnfag. If you see these patterns DO NOT bother with this anon. Yawnfag is a troll who does not care about Pokémon nor believe in anything they shitpost. Yawnfag’s only goal is to shill swsh and talk shit about Pokémon.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 18:52:13 No.45418744 Report

Quoted By: >>45420670

>>45417977
>god i love how you act like they needed to cut pokemon to give every one of the remaining ones a single new animation
On top of having to also make all the models look better? Yes it need a cut.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 18:53:21 No.45418748 Report

Quoted By: >>45418777

>>45418586
>They became more anti consumer over time.
Please tell me how to get Rotom-W in Diamond without buying Platinum. I can get Regieleki in Swoosh without buying the DLC, so I should be able to get Rotom-W in Diamond if they were less anti-consumer back then, right?

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 18:57:42 No.45418777 Report

Quoted By: >>45418792

>>45418748
>Always miss points entirely just to make themselves feel their side of the argument is winning
So is this “yawnfag”?

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 18:59:49 No.45418792 Report

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>>45418777
>>Always miss points entirely
What point did I miss? Is there a way to get Rotom-W in Diamond?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 19:04:08 No.45418834 Report

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>>45412899
That's false. The singleplayer mode is terrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 19:07:27 No.45418870 Report

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>>45415237
Wasn’t because of 6v6, but because of FFA’s I would do with friends. Can’t run anything remotely fat without the timer running out

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 19:09:41 No.45418899 Report

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>>45412874
Yes, but it's only enhanced by the rest of the package being terrible. A game with a limited dex is bad in its own regard, but if SwSh had a full dex they would still be contenders for worst games in the series next to XY.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 19:12:56 No.45418929 Report

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>>45412874
No, but it does drag an already terrible game down a lot and is just anotehr flaw in a long list of flaws and mistakes that has been Gen 8 so far.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 19:19:17 No.45418997 Report

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>>45412874
>remove Pokemon from base game
>re-introduce them for a fee
>people will defend this practice to the death
GF is laughing from their mountain of money while the retarded fanbase tears itself apart over profitable business decisions.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 19:20:20 No.45419006 Report

Quoted By: >>45420116

>>45418273
>last straw for a lot of people
>SwSh sell almost 20 million copies
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 19:23:51 No.45419035 Report

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>>45412874
The dex cut seems to be emblematic of modern gaming in general. They half-ass the game originally and only start adding anything worthwhile later instead of just completing the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 19:25:01 No.45419042 Report

Quoted By: >>45419683 >>45419729

>>45415060
Can you do nothing but post whataboutisms when someone says DLC is bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 20:41:21 No.45419683 Report

Quoted By: >>45419729

>>45419042
It's yawnfag. She's literally incapable of any logical thought.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 20:47:01 No.45419729 Report

Quoted By: >>45420125

>>45419042
>>45419683
I'm still waiting for you to tell me how to get Rotom-W in Diamond. :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 20:52:20 No.45419783 Report

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>>45412874
In theory? No, a pokemon game could still be good even if it doesn't have the full pokedex.
However, Sword and Shield are fucking complete bottom of the barrel games by not only Switch game standards, but Pokemon game standards. Even without the dex cut, it's already inherently weaker than every other entry in the series, only just barely beating out Sun and Moon in graphics based purely on system limitations of the 3DS, but the fact that they half-assed EVERYTHING, and on top of that, half-assed the most basic feature of "have all of the pokemon in the game", where no old Pokemon have any new assets in terms of graphics or animations, is inexcusably lazy. They had absolutely no reason to do it.

But, if we were to look at the dex cut in a vaccuum, it itself isn't that bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 21:36:28 No.45420111 Report

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>>45418333

Gamefreak’s sloppy handling of revealing the Dex cut was absolutely the main problem.
Masuda just shows up at a Treehouse live and drops it out of nowhere that you can clearly see Bill Trinen’s “What the fuck” face

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 21:37:31 No.45420116 Report

Quoted By: >>45420130

>>45419006

I’m talking specifically about the controversy anon.
Yes we all know Pokémon is a billion dollar company still selling millions, that’s not the point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 21:39:36 No.45420125 Report

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>>45419729
I'm still waiting for you to tell me how the hell did you come to the conclusion that textures are 3D models. :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 21:40:08 No.45420130 Report

Quoted By: >>45420344

>>45420116
But it is the point. If you shit out a game in less than a year and it sold 20 million copies, why would you care about improving its future sequels when the consoomers have overwhelmingly shown how much they love the flawed product?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 22:08:57 No.45420344 Report

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>>45420130
you wouldn't and they don't. simple as that, pokemon games will get more and more barebones until it reflects in the sales (something that will take a lot of fuckery) and then they'll go back to the bottom line.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 22:11:34 No.45420363 Report

Quoted By: >>45420498

>>45412874
Which pokemon still aren't available in Sword & Shield? Does anyone have the picture of all the culled pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 22:16:09 No.45420423 Report

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>>45412874
even without the dexcut, the game is incredibly ugly, the adventure is way too linear, the story is the dumbest from a pokemon stand point and really you have no reason whatsoever to come back to any city at all after you have the badge because it's empty

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 22:20:33 No.45420465 Report

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>>45412899
I feel like competitive battling in pokemon wasn't as much fun as gimmicking whatever the hell exists in the battle (resort, subway, tree, etc.)

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Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 22:21:24 No.45420470 Report

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Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 22:24:44 No.45420498 Report

Quoted By: >>45420502

>>45420363
yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 22:25:07 No.45420502 Report

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>>45420498
cool, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 22:44:20 No.45420636 Report

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No, actually. The problem lies instead with GameFreak complete inability to capitalize on the potential of the 3D form. People think comparing it to Zelda Botw is trite, but Zelda Botw broke a shit ton of convention and reinvented what Zelda is in a way. Mario Odyssey did the same thing. Sword/Shield are literally just the gameboy advance games with less soul. There needs to be a complete overhaul, a complete change of the way they do things, even if it costs having every single mon in. This also means they have to cut out the horrendous story modes too, the little kid saves the world shtick is old.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Nov 2020 22:48:02 No.45420670 Report

Quoted By:

>>45418744
Where's the entry
>>45418333
>Because let's face it, they're going to do a Sinnoh remake that's going to get two sets of DLC just like SwSh did, and by the end of that, SwSh will have compatibility patches that give access to all the Pokemon.
Not only would that add another lie, if that was the plan originally, by saying that the controversy would've been dead if even existing at all.
Add to that that if they do that for SWSH then people will expect it for every game which will lock them into implementing every pokemon forever.
They wont do that.

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