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Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 14:21:07 No.45602391 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>45602400 >>45602441 >>45602475 >>45603744 >>45603796 >>45604483 >>45604834 >>45605538 >>45605678 >>45605784 >>45606970 >>45608523 >>45610038

b-but i thought /vp/ said megas were bad and didn't help shitmons? what happened?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 14:23:04 No.45602400 Report

Quoted By: >>45602410

>>45602391
Camerupt and Glalie have seen nitch OU use.
Slowbro should absolutely be in Great in Singles tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 14:25:21 No.45602410 Report

Quoted By: >>45602423 >>45610345

>>45602400
and also Absol should be moved down to Can be Good.
Banette is interesting because its complete ass in singles. If it has notable use in doubles, I wouldn't know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 14:28:01 No.45602423 Report

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>>45602410
Banette is nice, it has prankster and good status moves such as destiny bond, will o wisp, thunder wave (unnerfed at the time I believe), disable, taunt..

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 14:30:40 No.45602441 Report

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>>45602391
>2 of only ice megas in bad tier
why not just buff the ice typing all in all? i don't see issue of mega glalie and abomasnow outside of its typing ngl.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 14:32:29 No.45602459 Report

Quoted By: >>45603755 >>45603763

>all those unworthy megas
>when shit like grumpig, flygon and chimecho exist
That was always the issue kid - they gave shit that didn't need megas a megaform, purely to shill it at rube kids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 14:35:33 No.45602475 Report

Quoted By: >>45602476

>>45602391
they shouldve given abomasnow ice body on mega evolution. that way it can set up hail before mega evolving and it gets passive recovery alongside it. Wouldn't make it excellent still but it would give it something fun and unique

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 14:36:26 No.45602476 Report

Quoted By: >>45602480

>>45602475
what about slush rush

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 14:37:18 No.45602480 Report

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>>45602476
it has 30 base speed slush rush is completely useless on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 18:20:40 No.45603744 Report

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>>45602391
Wait... is megazam actually good in doubles? Its definitely good in singles put its probably just worse than a sash in doubles desutbh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 18:22:12 No.45603755 Report

Quoted By: >>45603800 >>45606949 >>45608568

>>45602459
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY DIDN'T MY AWFULLY DESIGNED SHITMON BRO NOT GET A BUFF BUT THE COOL, MARKETABLE STRONG STUFF DID GF HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO MEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 18:24:16 No.45603763 Report

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>>45602459
>That was always the issue kid
>Kid
This is how you spot the neckbeard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 18:27:33 No.45603796 Report

Quoted By: >>45604443

>>45602391
Alakazam, Blaiken, Gengar, Gyarados,Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Scizor, Tyranitar, Venusaur, Garchomp, Latias, Latios, & Lucario were already good in competitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 18:28:32 No.45603800 Report

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>>45603755
>why did they not give fixes to pokemon who needed them
actual retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 19:58:19 No.45604443 Report

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>>45603796
>Gengar
>Scizor
>Venusaur
>Latias
>>>>Lucario
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 20:04:25 No.45604483 Report

Quoted By: >>45604534

>>45602391
whoever made this list doesn't actually play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 20:12:04 No.45604534 Report

Quoted By: >>45604940

>>45604483
How?
OP is like 95% spot on even if you go only by what's viable in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 20:53:56 No.45604834 Report

Quoted By: >>45605801

>>45602391
Mega Slowbro is better than half of the "good in singles" tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 21:06:03 No.45604940 Report

Quoted By: >>45605035 >>45605109

>>45604534
>OU
There lies the problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 21:18:11 No.45605035 Report

Quoted By: >>45605252

>>45604940
what problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 21:27:34 No.45605109 Report

Quoted By: >>45605252

>>45604940
What's the problem? That Smogonrino lives free of rent in your head?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 21:45:06 No.45605252 Report

Quoted By: >>45605308 >>45605324 >>45605566

>>45605035
>>45605109
>these megas are good if you just conveniently use this arbitrary fanfic game that bans all the ones that make everything else useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 21:52:48 No.45605308 Report

Quoted By: >>45605333

>>45605252
better that than the arbitrary, seasonal doubles format that bans mythicals and others for no good reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 21:54:32 No.45605324 Report

Quoted By: >>45605349

>>45605252
>their good if you use them in a balanced metagame
what's your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 21:55:05 No.45605333 Report

Quoted By: >>45605377 >>45605384

>>45605308
>better that
No, because it makes the metric completely useless because you're measuring how good megashit is in a game that doesn't actually exist. By this dumbass logic you can claim every mega is good because you can just play x arbitrary tier where everything better than it is banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 21:56:27 No.45605349 Report

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>>45605324
>it's good if you play an imaginary game
What's your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:00:37 No.45605377 Report

Quoted By: >>45605401

>>45605333
no one cares about lower tiers
everything is judged by it's performance in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:02:02 No.45605384 Report

Quoted By: >>45605401

>>45605333
>in a game that doesn't actually exist
man, if only there was a battle format that the majority of players used, something solo, and took place in spot of some kind... where all types pokemon, mega, mythical, etc were freely used...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:03:58 No.45605401 Report

Quoted By: >>45605448

>>45605377
>no one cares about lower tiers
no one cares about fanfic formats

>>45605384
>man, if only there was a battle format that the majority of players used
so battle spot singles and doubles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:05:25 No.45605412 Report

Quoted By: >>45605443

The problem is that Megas were strong, but ultimately you could only have one on your team at a time. So it doesn't matter how strong a Mega is relative to other non-Megas, but rather how strong it is compared to other Megas. As a result, a handful of Megas in a given tier can completely overshadow the others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:09:02 No.45605443 Report

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>>45605412
shhh don't speak the truth, OP has to delude himself that garbage like Pidgeot and Banette are worth using when Metagross, Salamence, and Gengar exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:09:55 No.45605448 Report

Quoted By: >>45605458

>>45605401
clearly, but since you've never actually played any of these games, you wouldn't know how frequently a variety of megas were used. Shockingly enough, casual players, the majority of the player base and people you're mot likely to get battles with on PSS and alike, aren't meta autists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:11:31 No.45605458 Report

Quoted By: >>45605525

>>45605448
>b-buh casual
if this is the hill you're dying on then weaker pokemon don't need to be "buffed" regardless and megashit is still a worthless mechanic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:18:12 No.45605525 Report

Quoted By: >>45605540

>>45605458
Yes. casual, the thing 95% of the player base actively participates in. There's no "hill to die on", competitive shit has ALWAYS been an afterthought, meta shit's always been a happy accident/afterthought, it doesn't matter to anyone beyond number crunching autists and GF once they realized they could get extra money out of that autism. Weaker pokemon were buffed so that kid that always loved their Lopunny gets validation now that it's cool, flashy, and hits like a truck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:19:38 No.45605538 Report

Quoted By: >>45605722

>>45602391
Imagine seething for 7 years over 2 mediocre gimmicks that just enforce more power creep that keeps going on since gen 4

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:19:49 No.45605540 Report

Quoted By: >>45605564

>>45605525
Cool, then we agree that Megas are still a pointless mechanic because you established balance doesn't matter in casual battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:22:50 No.45605564 Report

Quoted By: >>45605618

>>45605540
People/fans love it, sold a shit ton of merch, and it sparked re-interest in the franchise and anime, sounds like a successful mechanic/addition to me.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:23:00 No.45605566 Report

Quoted By: >>45605618

>>45605252
So, what, is little league "fanfic baseball" because all the actually good players are arbitrarily banned from playing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:28:29 No.45605618 Report

Quoted By: >>45605642

>>45605564
>People/fans love it
People/fans also love megashit not being in the game.

>>45605566
So what, little timmy playing little league is a good baseball player on par with babe ruth?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:30:45 No.45605642 Report

Quoted By:

>>45605618
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:33:36 No.45605678 Report

Quoted By:

>>45602391
Define „good” cause I see a bunch of shitmons in upper tiers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:38:01 No.45605722 Report

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It's amazing how much better competitive threads get on here if you filter out a certain few buzzwords. Stop replying to shitposters you retards
The only reason why people here like megas is because they buff shitmons and that just raises the question of "why not just buff the mon without relying on gimmicky held items". Fans should have higher standards than to ask for shitty power creep gimmicks to come back because it made their favorite mon viable. In a few years when Dmax/Gmax is rotated out for some other shitty gimmick we're gonna have people begging for it to come back because Gmax-Resonance made their bro Lapras relevant for the first time since RBY
>>45605538
best post in the thread really

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:45:28 No.45605784 Report

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>>45602391
fairly generous, would have been better to break down into doubles megas, singles megas and busted megas, with niche and shit tier below

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:47:19 No.45605801 Report

Quoted By: >>45605897

>>45604834
mega slowbro was a monster while mega absol, aagron, gallade and chomp really were wastes of the slot most of the time. Also mega camrupt was a trick room monster

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Dec 2020 22:58:38 No.45605897 Report

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>>45605801
Gallade went through periods of being good and being shit as its niche of being a middle ground between Lopunny and Medicham but with Dark coverage was very meta dependant.
Aggron was a common option on stall in mid to late gen 7 to check Kyurem-B, Lele, and Mawile in one slot.
Garchomp was a niche option for balance breaking. It was less viable than the regular form but still a viable pick for it's ability to run better mixed sets or shit out damage with sandforce sets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2020 01:33:08 No.45606949 Report

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>>45603755
Literally yes.
The strong and cool-looking mons don't need better stats and new designs.
It's the retarded-looking shitmons that need them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2020 01:34:41 No.45606970 Report

Quoted By: >>45607020

>>45602391
Including Garchomp and Ttar is a bit disingenuous, since the megas are worse than the base forms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2020 01:41:48 No.45607020 Report

Quoted By: >>45607933

>>45606970
Retard.
Mega Garchomp is viable.
Being more niche than the regular one is irrelevant.
Meanwhile Mega Tyranitar is better than the base form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2020 03:34:07 No.45607933 Report

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>>45607020
I never said they were unusable. Just worse.
And the fact that Mega Ttar gets less usage than regular Ttar indicates otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2020 05:08:51 No.45608523 Report

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>>45602391
The problem with megas isn't that they're bad. Yes, they do massively improve the mons that get them. But the opportunity cost for using a mega is way higher.
Which means that the great megas get overshadowed by the amazing megas because you can only have one per team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2020 05:16:00 No.45608568 Report

Quoted By: >>45608582

>>45603755
>dude what if instead of fixing our shitty designs we just took our already good designs and added a bunch of unnecessary spikes and details

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2020 05:18:52 No.45608582 Report

Quoted By: >>45609823

>>45608568
Sure, worked out great the last time

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2020 10:22:53 No.45609823 Report

Quoted By: >>45610016

>>45608582
Those designs are actually natural evolutions of the originals and feel distinct enough to warrant being a new design.
Megashit is literally just slapping more bells and whistles onto the design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2020 11:01:33 No.45610016 Report

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>>45609823
And yet I like both of them.
Gigantamaxes would be great if they were repurposed to Mega Evolutions/Z-Moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2020 11:07:16 No.45610038 Report

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>>45602391
No. I said they were ugly and obvious powercreep as most of them have legendary-tier stats

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2020 11:19:04 No.45610071 Report

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Only thing holding Mega-Sceptile back is its movepool. If you want it to be a special attacker, give it more special attacking moves.

Or just do the smart thing and swap its and normal Sceptile's ATK and SpATK. Then replace Mega's Lightning Rod with something like Tough Claws.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Dec 2020 12:33:12 No.45610345 Report

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>>45602410
Singles love Absol! Cause they've got no gf to have sex with.

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