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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 05:01:48 No.45616282 View View Reply Original Report

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How do you get good at competitive Pokemon? I don't understand how people are able to make proper predictions, and there's little room for error with how hard mons these days hit And you can always get fucked over by a surprise set, like how Quiver Dance Pheromosa is taking OU by storm. How do people get super consistent at this shit? I've tried both Smogon OU and VGC

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 05:18:26 No.45616370 Report

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>>45616282
The same way you get good at anything else. Time and lots of research/input.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 05:23:37 No.45616387 Report

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>>45616282
Half of Pokemon battling is knowledge.
Be aware of the Pokemon's stats, abilities, and movepool. Unless you're at a tournament, you can even have a database pulled up on your computer/tablet/phone to look up data on certain Pokemon while you're battling.
Then the rest is experience by simply playing. The more you play the more you will start to understand why people make certain decisions in certain circumstances.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 05:27:04 No.45616408 Report

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>>45616282
It's just memorising all the common movesets, and using a calculator for damage (unless you're autistic enough to memorise that too)
'Prediction' is literally just luck

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 05:36:09 No.45616443 Report

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>>45616408
>Prediction' is literally just luck
Post elo

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 05:37:16 No.45616447 Report

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>>45616282
>I've tried both Smogon OU and VGC
Don't try both, just pick one.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 05:50:09 No.45616507 Report

Quoted By: >>45616602 >>45619541 >>45622049

>>45616443
I know you desperately have to cling on to the one aspect of Pokemon you can pretend is skill-based, but it's the sad truth
If you're trying to predict your opponent and they know you're trying to predict them, assuming both parties are of equal game knowledge, then there's no skill involved at all. Every single time you'll end up in a circular loop of logic that never ends until you just guess.

>Enemy is gonna pick A, so I'll pick B
>But he knows I'm likely to go for B to counter A, so he's gonna do C instead
>But he knows that I know that, so he'll go for A anyway - expecting me to overthink it
>But if he does that...
And so on, forever

It's hilarious really. If you get it right you'll pat yourself on the back for being smarter than your opponent. And if you get it wrong, you'll think they've outplayed you. But you never had any agency from the start.

>tldr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 06:02:59 No.45616567 Report

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>>45616282
don't copypasta some other popular team or set. Do your own thing, even if it's bad other people's lack of understanding of your strategy will be their downfall. After a very short time you can get a feel for the meta and always outplay what 70 or 80% of people are doing by using some niche counterplay that a random opponent will have never seen before. A lot of people in low tier VGC just copy the "best team" from some youtube video or forum post and follow some kind of script, which is only marginally harder to beat than standard in game NPC's. I got to master ball tier on cart with a team of utter shitmons (some pile of aquarium decorations built around pyukumuku), and I'm totally retarded. Couldn't count the number of people that went for more and more swords dances or calm minds against my unaware pyukumuku just not knowing about it.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 06:13:25 No.45616602 Report

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>>45616507
That's only true in games like rock-paper-scissors, where there's no advantage to choosing one over the others. If you're forced to choose between staying in and switching, for example, the odds change depending on the value of the Pokemon involved. Your opponent is far, far less likely to risk something that they need to take down something you have. On top of that, there are options like choosing a fire move over a ground move, where a fire move would do less damage to one of the Pokemon, but doesn't come with the risk of the opponent switching in a flying type. In that case, it boils down to which is move valuable in the longterm: doing some damage to either Pokemon or dealing a lot to one and none to the other. And assessing which your opponent will think is more value when the choice is theirs.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 07:47:10 No.45616992 Report

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>>45616282
Just keep playing and you'll learn.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 08:00:04 No.45617049 Report

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>>45616282
Like most games its just a matter of practicing and studying in order to get better
Pokemon will always be an inherently volatile game though, since it's centered around match ups. Lose that one wincon or counter early due to poor prediction or RNG and then it's pretty much over. It can be fun to dick around but I wouldn't take it that seriously

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 09:49:23 No.45617445 Report

Quoted By: >>45617822 >>45617842

>make a preliminary team on showdown
>win 8 out of first 10 games
>lose the next 10
>give up idea of bringing that team to in game ladder
How do I overcome this vicious cycle bros?

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 11:20:04 No.45617822 Report

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>>45617445
>building your own team as a noob
There's your problem.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 11:23:51 No.45617842 Report

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>>45617445
Adapt. More often than not you have guys scouting your matches and learning what you have so they can counter you once they face you, so you can't do the same thing forever.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 17:33:45 No.45619485 Report

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bump

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 17:45:09 No.45619541 Report

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>>45616507
>heh i took philosophy 101 with basic logic problems

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 17:46:28 No.45619551 Report

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>>45617842
but sniper kingdra will always be goat in my heart

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 17:47:53 No.45619558 Report

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>>45617822
>mfw my first team was just smogon copypasta of vaporeon, dragonite, umbreon, foretress, aerodactyl and mega gengar

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 17:50:17 No.45619565 Report

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>>45619558
my first team (way back in gen 3) was some shitty wannabe sun team. i remember having morning sun espeon, charizard, and pikachu. i was a little hyped when yzard came out and charizard could instantly set its own sun

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 18:03:31 No.45619645 Report

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>>45619565
i didn't even care about comp before gen 5 until my faggot friends found out about showdown

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 21:12:26 No.45621215 Report

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>>45619645
Same here but in gen 6.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 21:18:39 No.45621277 Report

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>>45617822
using a copypasted team is the most soulless thing you can do

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 22:31:01 No.45621975 Report

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>>45621277
You need to understand the meta before you can start making your own team.
You'll inevitably hit a plateau with a newbie team and you won't be able to know if it's because you're playing badly or something's wrong with your team. And if it is something wrong with your team, you won't know what that it with no reference.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 22:36:53 No.45622015 Report

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Use the most broken stuff and pray that your prediction that they predicted that you predicted that they predicted pays off.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 22:38:19 No.45622024 Report

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>>45616602
While risk reward assessments, game knowledge, and long term planning are an important part of decision making, but you can't ignore the psychological aspect.
Having the instinct/intuition to read, bluff, and condition your opponent is an equally large part of it, and is kinda unrelated to the rest. Some people just have the X factor to nail even high risk low reward plays better than others, and can win truly binary 50/50s (like a game winning sucker punch user vs bulk up user 50/50) far above 50%.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 22:42:19 No.45622049 Report

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>>45616507
how do you dress yourself in the morning?

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 23:10:36 No.45622257 Report

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>>45622049
Imagine thinking he dresses himself.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Dec 2020 23:20:28 No.45622350 Report

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>>45616282
Learn who the biggest threats are.
Learn what switches into them safely.
Learn who the wallbreakers are.
Get familiar with the Showdown Damage Calculator.
Watch Pokeaim on YT. He's excellent for learning Smogon format.

And I'm a big supporter of building your own team since I never copied anyone and learned by my own crafting and testing, but that may not work for everyone, so don't feel bad copying teams until you get a grasp on the meta.

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