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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 23:06:14 No.45690704 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>45690737 >>45691061 >>45691732 >>45691884 >>45693698 >>45698656 >>45700576

>makes hail teams viable in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 23:11:26 No.45690737 Report

Quoted By: >>45690755 >>45691249

>>45690704
Shhhh...smoggies don't want to do new things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 23:14:45 No.45690755 Report

Quoted By: >>45691031 >>45691212 >>45691271 >>45691786

>>45690737
smogon has even more viable pokémon than vgc though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 23:59:58 No.45691031 Report

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>>45690755
Shhhh... yawnfag doesn't want to accept reality

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:03:23 No.45691061 Report

Quoted By: >>45691073 >>45691319 >>45691658

>>45690704
what the hell is this montrosity

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:04:43 No.45691073 Report

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>>45691061
that's what every rain team player says before getting swept by hail
seriously, it's really good, there's a guy with Specs Vanilluxe that reached top 4 and teams featuring Arctozolt also get good results in tournaments

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:26:14 No.45691208 Report

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Post proof.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:26:40 No.45691212 Report

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>>45690755
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:27:20 No.45691219 Report

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>No replays
Sure hailtranny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:30:48 No.45691249 Report

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>>45690737
post elo

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:33:12 No.45691271 Report

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>>45690755
Arctozolt is viable in vgc too, smoggie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:37:03 No.45691293 Report

Quoted By: >>45692109

>>45691219
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/arctozolt-hail-peaked-4-2104-new-peak-ft-vanilluxe-swampert.3673996/#post-8681582

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:37:55 No.45691298 Report

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>>45691271
>2023
Wtf hes from the future

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:39:27 No.45691308 Report

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>>45691271
Nice photoshop.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:40:20 No.45691319 Report

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>>45691061

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:44:48 No.45691332 Report

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>>45691308
https://liberty-note.com/2020/12/01/swsh-season12-top30/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 00:58:38 No.45691403 Report

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>>45691271
he didn't claim it wasn't, though
Is this that VGC persecution complex I keep hearing about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 01:51:39 No.45691658 Report

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>>45691061
Cold and dying

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:04:19 No.45691732 Report

Quoted By: >>45691737 >>45691834 >>45691937

>>45690704
>Spe: 55 BP
Even with Slush Rush, does he beat several mons from the meta-game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:05:36 No.45691737 Report

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>>45691732
it*

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:17:09 No.45691786 Report

Quoted By: >>45691796 >>45694460

>>45690755
>t. has to make endless amounts of banlists to make pokemon "viable"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:20:32 No.45691796 Report

Quoted By: >>45691800 >>45691806 >>45691818

>>45691786
>>t. has to make endless amounts of banlists to make pokemon "viable"
>doesn't understand that pokemon is a shit tier rpg and way too simplistic that so many mons outclass others and therefore banning strong mons allow for weaker ones to thrive
holy fuck what a retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:21:27 No.45691800 Report

Quoted By: >>45691857

>>45691796
wow, good thing chadgc has many pokemon inherently viable since it's not a linear clown format like singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:23:02 No.45691806 Report

Quoted By: >>45691857

>>45691796
ah yes i love seeing lando-t, toxapex, ferrothorn, chansey/blissey, clefable, heatran, etc all on every single team while banning anything that threatens them at the drop of a hat
very good """""""""""meta"""""""""""""

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:26:20 No.45691818 Report

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>>45691796

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:27:45 No.45691834 Report

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>>45691732
The meta is slower than gen 7 so it works out

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:32:23 No.45691857 Report

Quoted By: >>45691870

>>45691800
>wow, good thing chadgc has many pokemon inherently viable since it's not a linear clown format like singles.
>singles has way more viable team archetypes that vgc where it's all about *dynamaxing offensive mon*+*redirecting move/activating wp/*
fucking lol
>>45691806
only imbeciles think that banning x mons actually benefits stall, look at fucking Pheromosa, it's impossible to handle with most offensive mons but easier to handle with defense, only actual fucking retards think that banning offensive mons is to benefit stall, the worse and most uncommon archetype in ou

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:35:09 No.45691870 Report

Quoted By: >>45692500

>>45691857
>taking the bait
every smogon thread gets invaded by a couple of baiting autists. just ignore them so they'll get mad and start samefagging kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:38:20 No.45691884 Report

Quoted By: >>45691894 >>45691904 >>45692546

>>45690704
Why this one over the water one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:40:55 No.45691894 Report

Quoted By: >>45692546

>>45691884
Elec/Ice is better as an offensive type than Water/Ice

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:43:36 No.45691904 Report

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>>45691884
Stronger and has better offensive type synergy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 02:52:18 No.45691937 Report

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>>45691732
*she

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 03:30:25 No.45692109 Report

Quoted By: >>45694312

>>45691293
this team is stupidly good, Specs Vanilluxe wrecks so many teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 04:31:47 No.45692500 Report

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>>45691870
>a couple
>them
That's a generous assumption.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 04:41:39 No.45692546 Report

Quoted By: >>45692580

>>45691884
Cuz of >>45691894 and 4 resists+better stabs. Also Hail needs physical attackers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 04:48:57 No.45692580 Report

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>>45692546
and Arctozolt can wallbreak well with Blizzard off a 90 sp.A and has ways to deal with ground switchin's. Can do life orb or Choice builds based on teams. Hail still doesn't have it's own version of Venusaur though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 10:06:56 No.45693698 Report

Quoted By: >>45694797

>>45690704
>Slowbro
>Mandibuzz
Yikes and stallpilled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 10:20:21 No.45693726 Report

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What a fucking stupid design. Garbodor has more grace

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 10:41:27 No.45693772 Report

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I love this nerd, probably my favorite or second favorite pokemon this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 13:31:54 No.45694312 Report

Quoted By: >>45694797 >>45695619 >>45696988

>>45692109
I wonder how. I mean, Glaceon for example has more sp.atk to wreck even ice-resistances, the only thing is Glaceon has 65 Base Speed, and Vanilluxe 79.

It's either a certain speed stat that makes Vanilluxe pretty good or the fact that it learns Flash Cannon. But then again, Flash Cannon would only make sense against other Ice-types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 14:13:36 No.45694460 Report

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>>45691786
Yes, that is what a tier is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 15:44:43 No.45694797 Report

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>>45694312
Well, Glaceon doesn't summon Hail, does it?
>>45693698
>stall
>ignoring that these mons are used to pivot into the breakers the entire game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 18:28:43 No.45695619 Report

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>>45694312
In spite of the difference in special attack Vanilluxe's Blizzard's hits harder than Glaceon's Ice Beam even without factoring in Hail damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 21:58:40 No.45696988 Report

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>>45694312
Flash Cannon is also good against Rock-types, as relevant as they are, and Fairy types.
Other than that, every Ice resist is also resisted by Steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 01:10:47 No.45698243 Report

Quoted By: >>45698345 >>45698615

Why isn't hail viable? Why did GF have to make it so much worse than the other weathers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 01:23:06 No.45698345 Report

Quoted By: >>45698361 >>45698592

>>45698243

its not as viable because hail doesn't boost offenses or defenses like sun/rain/sand.

They should add a defense boost to hail in the same way sand does to rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 01:25:11 No.45698361 Report

Quoted By: >>45698470 >>45698642

>>45698345
personally before glastrier i wanted hail to buff phys def as a complement to rock's sp. def and also because a lot of ice types are physically frail barring a specific few
now however i wouldn't want to wish that evil unto even my worst enemies

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 01:38:22 No.45698470 Report

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>>45698361

yeah I can see what you mean. Glastrier is a menace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 01:52:24 No.45698592 Report

Quoted By: >>45698650

>>45698345
>its not as viable because hail doesn't boost offenses or defenses like sun/rain/sand.
That’s not the reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 01:56:02 No.45698615 Report

Quoted By: >>45699976

>>45698243
>Why isn't hail viable?
Because the benefits it gives and amount of good abusers of it are next to none in comparison to the other weathers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 01:59:50 No.45698642 Report

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>>45698361
Yea unless they specifically make Glastrier not be able to get the defence boost (maybe as an aspect added to chilling neigh as a drawback to the ability) under the hypothetical hail buff to boost Ice’s defence then the next best thing is to make more hail based abilities that benefit the user or its allies under hail.

Even then another thing hail needs is to make another type be immune (like maybe dark) to the weather damage like how sandstorm has ground and steel types be unaffected by sand damage and also distribute some hail based abilities onto some mons of those types so hail has more to work with

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 02:01:13 No.45698650 Report

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>>45698592
its definitely a part of it
the other part being the hail setters are shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 02:02:31 No.45698656 Report

Quoted By: >>45700563

>>45690704
Are arcotozolt teams really even "hail teams"? They usually just have a setter and arctozolt, a lot of the times the other pokemon might not even be hail immune, nor do they benefit from stuff like blizzard. Its more like a hail package or a hail offensive core than an actual hail team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 06:31:18 No.45699976 Report

Quoted By: >>45700937

>>45698615
I meant it in the more general sense. I know the technical reasons why it's bad, but I'm wondering why it was designed that way in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 06:33:15 No.45699985 Report

Quoted By: >>45700182 >>45700912

Fasted Slush Rush user is A-Sandslash though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 07:27:12 No.45700182 Report

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>>45699985
But Dracozolt has a better dual STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 08:03:22 No.45700293 Report

Quoted By: >>45700511 >>45700844

Hail has been viable since last gen when they introduces Aurora Veil

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 09:20:55 No.45700511 Report

Quoted By: >>45700527

>>45700293
Lol no. Aurora veil is more like just a thing you slap on HO teams since nothing takes advantage of it bar ASlash, which is dogshit. And even then it's better to go Koko or smth if you just want screens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 09:26:22 No.45700527 Report

Quoted By: >>45700926

>>45700511
>lol *thing* isn't viable, it's just something you put on teams
great post

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 09:36:13 No.45700563 Report

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>>45698656
Well in gen 6 and 7 sand used to just be Tyranitar + Excadrill pretty much, now you will maybe see someone running Dracozolt alongside them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 09:40:26 No.45700576 Report

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>>45690704
>hail now boost Def for Ice, Bug and Dark
>Ice type now resist Ground and Flying
>Give pokemon more access to Slush Rush and Snow Cloak
Here you go dude, I'm not sure about Snow Cloak but this would make Ice/Hail bit viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 11:02:08 No.45700844 Report

Quoted By: >>45700908

>>45700293
Aurora Veil teams aren't really hail teams. They don't abuse the weather to nearly the degree actual weather teams do.
They just have doubled defenses for a few turns and don't really use the hail for anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 11:18:28 No.45700908 Report

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>>45700844
sand teams literally do nothing with it besides buff Excadrill 90% of the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 11:18:45 No.45700912 Report

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>>45699985
Arctozolt has a better movepool and more importantly bolt beak

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 11:22:26 No.45700926 Report

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>>45700527
You put the AV user on a team for the screens not the hail itself

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 11:23:56 No.45700937 Report

Quoted By: >>45700953 >>45700980

>>45699976
Maybe since hail only has 1 type immune to it versus 3?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 11:26:13 No.45700953 Report

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>>45700937
Also the other mons that either don't care about the sandstorm damage or are immune to it are higher then the hail ones?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 11:32:16 No.45700980 Report

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>>45700937
And there's only one (poorly-distributed) ability that significantly benefits from hail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 16:46:21 No.45702526 Report

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>>45691818
Arctozolt would merk this team.

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