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Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 08:14:13 No.45715206 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>45715211 >>45715220 >>45715491 >>45717022 >>45717035 >>45717079 >>45719147 >>45719851 >>45720181

>Oh no, i tried to set up with dragon dance but got trapped by enemy's encore, what should i do?
>Oh I'll just smash my win button and boost stats even further haha

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 08:16:07 No.45715211 Report

Quoted By: >>45715351 >>45715606

>>45715206
Cope, smoggie.
not yawnfag, just someone who thinks removing z-moves and megas for this was a bad idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 08:19:57 No.45715220 Report

Quoted By: >>45715251 >>45717962

>>45715206
And I shall respond by Dynamaxing as well to tank your blows, perhaps delivering a super effective hit of my own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 08:27:37 No.45715251 Report

Quoted By: >>45718192

>>45715220
>perhaps delivering a super effective hit of my own.
Tanks for the weakness policy activation.
>as well to tank your blows
Thanks for the free Moxie boost after I outspeed you next turn thanks to the Max Airstream boost.
Enjoy the sweep!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 09:03:35 No.45715351 Report

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>>45715211
>just someone who thinks removing z-moves and megas for this was a bad idea
You mean like Gen 8 or Smogon?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 09:45:41 No.45715491 Report

Quoted By: >>45715549 >>45715654 >>45717079

>>45715206
>My ability boosts the power of my moves, but also lowers the accuracy.
>What if there was a mechanic that let me keep the upside without the downside?
>Haha just kidding... unless?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 10:04:25 No.45715549 Report

Quoted By: >>45718122

>>45715491
Is it safe to say that this thing is now superior to scizor in every way?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 10:05:48 No.45715556 Report

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6v6fags are truly something

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 10:17:50 No.45715606 Report

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>>45715211
Whoever came up with Z-moves should be expedited from the planet

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 10:35:40 No.45715654 Report

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>>45715491
excellent filename

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 11:47:54 No.45715817 Report

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>Trick choice item onto something
>it can just hit the free win button

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 16:40:58 No.45717006 Report

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Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 16:44:58 No.45717022 Report

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>>45715206
dynafags btfo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 16:47:08 No.45717035 Report

Quoted By: >>45719092

>>45715206
>I got outplayed, therefore mechanic bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 16:56:53 No.45717079 Report

Quoted By: >>45717926 >>45718038

>>45715206
>>45715491
not like these guys have a 4x weakness or anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 19:34:35 No.45717926 Report

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>>45717079
You mean a 2x weakness because Dynameme doubles HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 19:41:58 No.45717962 Report

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>>45715220
>And I shall respond by Dynamaxing as well to tank your blows, perhaps delivering a super effective hit of my own.
Good luck with that, since there is nothing that has Encore which can OHKO back and/or tank a Max Geysey/Airstream/Overgrowth.
And you better have multiple ones too, one for all the popular set up sweepers, and you have to make sure they are always on field at the right time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 19:55:59 No.45718038 Report

Quoted By: >>45718081 >>45718196

>>45717079
252 SpA Zeraora Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Dynamax Gyarados: 504-592 (76.1 - 89.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Cinderace Pyro Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dynamax Durant: 660-780 (128.4 - 151.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
The fact that you need a fire move as strong as Cinderace’s Pyro Ball and Zeraora’s Thunderbolt can’t even OHKO Gyarados speaks volumes to how OP Dynamax is.
Keep in mind that Dynamax can be used on anything, so a scarf Rotom-H isn’t going to save your ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 20:01:57 No.45718081 Report

Quoted By: >>45718160 >>45718167 >>45718194

>>45718038
yeah, you're right, Dynamax is OP in the fanfic game you made up in your head where only the opponent can magically use it but (You) can't!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 20:06:36 No.45718122 Report

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>>45715549
Dynamax will die next generation so Scizor's still king of bugs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 20:12:20 No.45718160 Report

Quoted By: >>45718359

>>45718081
Smogon players probably hate dynamax because of the retarded was showdown implemented it
I've only done 3 Smogon OU battles on showdown and they were before dynamax was banned from Smogon OU and the implementation of dynamax on showdown was so retarded that if your opponent dynamaxed you wouldn't be allowed to

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 20:12:58 No.45718167 Report

Quoted By: >>45719407 >>45719427

>>45718081
Nobody is talking about Smogon you Autist

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 20:15:33 No.45718192 Report

Quoted By: >>45719568

>playing singles
>>45715251
>max lightning
>down in one

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 20:15:42 No.45718194 Report

Quoted By: >>45718361

>>45718081
>Both sides can use it so its not broken
So every symmetrical game ever is perfectly balanced then?
After all, you can have a team that is 100% identical to your oppoment’s in Pokemon, so why would anything even be broken?
Who cares if it detracts all the appeal of a competitive setting? It’s why Street Fighter 1 became so popular while its sequels were all forgotten shovelware.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 20:16:00 No.45718196 Report

Quoted By: >>45718337

>>45718038
>using sp zeraora
What the fuck are you doing nigger holy shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 20:36:27 No.45718337 Report

Quoted By: >>45719130 >>45719825

>>45718196
>Moving the goal post
Special Zeraora is perfectly viable, if not more so than physical sets due to its movepool giving it Grass Knot.
But anyones, here you go, fag.
252 Atk Zeraora Plasma Fists vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dynamax Gyarados: 712-844 (107.5 - 127.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Still barely OHKOs a fucking Gyarados with a STAB x4 effective attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 20:39:11 No.45718359 Report

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>>45718160
why do you lie

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 20:39:13 No.45718361 Report

Quoted By: >>45718506

>>45718194
>After all, you can have a team that is 100% identical to your oppoment’s in Pokemon, so why would anything even be broken?
Because "broken" in that context is referring to one Pokemon being heavily used over everything else, autismo. If "mechanic is powerful in this imaginary scenario where opponent can only use it" is considered broken, then switching is broken too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 20:58:37 No.45718506 Report

Quoted By: >>45718531 >>45719231

>>45718361
>Because "broken" in that context is referring to one Pokemon being heavily used over everything else, autismo
So?
You claim that Dynamax isn’t broken because both sides can use them.
Dynamax is used nearly 100% of all games, so your other claim isn’t great either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 21:00:59 No.45718531 Report

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>>45718506
>So?
So "broken" in that context is referring to one Pokemon being heavily used over everything else, autismo

>You claim that Dynamax isn’t broken because both sides can use them.
Yes. Because the context we're using to measure how broken it is different. Do you have a counterargument?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 22:34:45 No.45719092 Report

Quoted By: >>45719419

>>45717035
Yeah, preventing setups has no meaning now. Just do hyper offense, THAT'S a real strategy!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 22:44:49 No.45719130 Report

Quoted By: >>45719199

>>45718337
>>45718337
>not factoring in the intimidate penalty
nooblet

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 22:47:57 No.45719147 Report

Quoted By: >>45719160

>>45715206
Maybe you shouldn't have tried to cheese my sweeper with a stupid gimmick move. Next time fight back properly

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 22:51:16 No.45719160 Report

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>>45719147
>Punishing mindless set-up = "dumb gimmick"
Dynamax is the mechanical equivalent of a child screeching at someone that they're not playing the game 'the right way' because they're just supposed to mindlessly attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 22:57:11 No.45719186 Report

Quoted By: >>45719207

>know they can break out of it
>know they will do exactly that the next turn
>know they've done everything they needed to do so they'll definitely do it next turn
>still do it
why are you fags like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 22:59:36 No.45719199 Report

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>>45719130
Gyarados mostly uses Moxie whenever Dynamax is legal, and this would just make it look worse for Dynamax as a balanced mechanic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 23:00:57 No.45719207 Report

Quoted By: >>45719224

>>45719186
>Bro just make the game into a flowchart of using set up moves then spamming attacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 23:04:22 No.45719224 Report

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>>45719207
Mindlessly clicking encore is also literally flowcharting you mong
you could use that turn to set up yourself, debuff, set up screens, use status, switch, but instead you opt for the shit you just know doesn't fucking work because you want it to work even though you are fully aware it won't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 23:06:04 No.45719231 Report

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>>45718506
Well yes I would say that 2 dynamaxes cancel each other out most of the time. You should use max guard more.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 23:38:52 No.45719407 Report

Quoted By: >>45719427

>>45718167
No, but he's always thinking about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 23:40:42 No.45719419 Report

Quoted By: >>45719454

>>45719092
>forcing an opponent to Dynamax at a time less opportune than what they planned has no meaning
Play the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 23:41:43 No.45719427 Report

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>>45718167
Nobody mentioned Smogon you retard.

>>45719407
>said the guy who's crying about people shitting on Smogon even though no one mentioned Smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Dec 2020 23:45:47 No.45719454 Report

Quoted By: >>45719561 >>45719834

>>45719419
Shit up retard. After a few dragon dances Gyara can kill almost everything, and he'll get even stronger thanks to moxie. There's literally no possibility of bad timing. Play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 00:07:31 No.45719561 Report

Quoted By: >>45719573

>>45719454
There is Unaware and a few Pokemon are just that bulky to tank Gyarados’s hits.
That is if they are not Dynamaxed, since Max Geyser/Max Overgrowth shit all over Quagsire, and Max Airstream/Max Quake/Max Overgrowth can hit the waters that otherwise tank Gyarados’s hits.

This is also 1 (ONE) Pokemon out of hundreds you will need to prepare for and constantly having walls out or a backup Ditto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 00:08:30 No.45719568 Report

Quoted By: >>45720223

>>45718192
>max geyser
>down in one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 00:09:22 No.45719573 Report

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>>45719561
>backup Ditto
opinion discarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 01:02:06 No.45719825 Report

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>>45718337
>barely OHKOs
How is that an argument? An OHKO is an OHKO, it doesn't matter how much damage it does if the result is the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 01:03:09 No.45719834 Report

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>>45719454
>After a few dragon dances Gyara can kill almost everything
If you're stupid enough to let the opponent set up DDance that many times then you deserve to lose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 01:06:48 No.45719851 Report

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>>45715206
Maybe it's a problem in singles, but given Gyarados is a non-entity in doubles, this doesn't apply for the intended format.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 01:09:34 No.45719866 Report

Quoted By: >>45719871 >>45719893

>game has two formats
>add a mechanic that is fine in one and utterly breaks the other
>people will defend this by saying 'j-just don't play half the game'
why don't they just not add shit gimmicks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 01:10:29 No.45719871 Report

Quoted By: >>45722139

>>45719866
? It's fine in both formats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 01:13:45 No.45719893 Report

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>>45719866
So just don't use it in the one it breaks, then. Who gives a shit, you have a community who outright banned it anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 02:06:31 No.45720181 Report

Quoted By: >>45722092

>>45715206
>"Stuff like Dynamax and Boots HELP stall!"
>"NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMETHING TO SETUP A SWEEPER OR COUNTER STALL STRATS LIKE FORCING YOU TO SWITCH OUT AND KEEPING YOU FROM DOING ANYTHING!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 02:12:44 No.45720223 Report

Quoted By: >>45720584

>>45719568
not if the max target is regieleki
hell even regular regieleki would destroy your shitty water snake

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Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 03:14:02 No.45720584 Report

Quoted By: >>45720642

>>45720223
>Gyarados already has +1 attack and speed
>switching into an airstream to "tank" it
>geysers and outspeeds thanks to the +2 speed
>After barely surviving the airstream, geyser finishes it off
>Moxie and rain boost Gyarados proceeds to sweep thanks to trying to switch in a 80/50/50 bulk pokemon to "tank" a hit
Yes, even if the max target is regieleki

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Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 03:25:44 No.45720642 Report

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>>45720584
>modest
>hp investment variant
apply yourself
>252 SpA Choice Specs Transistor Regieleki Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dynamax Gyarados: 1096-1296 (165.5 - 195.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 10:59:58 No.45722092 Report

Quoted By: >>45722102

>>45720181
Which side are you even supposed to be strawmanning?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 11:04:52 No.45722102 Report

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>>45722092
All of them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 11:23:50 No.45722139 Report

Quoted By: >>45722178

>>45719871
>Its fine in BSS
Not when Cinderace is shitting up the format

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Dec 2020 11:43:36 No.45722178 Report

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>>45722139
Cinderace being so powerful was intentional game design.
It was the designated shillmon, so of course GF wants it to be good.

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