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Evaluate my SoulSilver Battle Frontier Team?

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 02:39:44 No.46110166 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>46111143 >>46111490 >>46111682 >>46112027

I've never attempted the Battle Frontier before (unless you count when I was 7 playing the Emerald BF without a clue about what I was doing) and I want to know if this team works before I commit to EV Training it.

>Latios (M) @ Yache Berry
>Ability: Levitate
>EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
>Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Grass Knot
- Thunder
- Recover

>Suicune @ Leftovers
>Ability: Pressure
>EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
>Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Hydro Pump

>Snorlax @ Chesto Berry
>Ability: Thick Fat
>EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
>Adamant Nature
- Curse
- Return
- Crunch
- Rest

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 04:38:31 No.46110905 Report

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Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 05:29:09 No.46111143 Report

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>>46110166
Gonna need to work on the team a lot if you're going for gold prints and 100+ BT streak. You will lose a lot of fights due to dumb luck from the AI. First of all, Suicune w/ Hydro Pump and Latios w/ Draco and Thunder, you will lose many fights because you will miss important hits. This will be in all facilities.

In the Battle Tower, you will want Substitute on at least one of your mons, as well as a boosting mon that's fast. Snorlax will get destroyed by stupid hax like paraflinch crits from Togekiss. Consider a strong boosting Dragon like Salamence/Dragonite. In the Hall, you'll want a strong focus sasher w/ priority as ideally you'll only attack once per fight, but will want priority when you run across the Weavile w/ sash. I used Dragonite to get my gold and it took at least 6 attempts with just the build I settled with.

Arcade and castle are pretty easy, you could run through most fights with the Latios if you give it Pulse instead of Draco and Thunderbolt instead of Thunder. Yache Berry could be a good choice, but I've gotten much more use out of Lum Berry since he's bulky enough to survive most unboosted ice attacks.

Good luck OP, prepare for a long grind with a lot of bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 06:30:43 No.46111407 Report

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>>46111143
I see. I was dubious about Meteor and Thunder. I'll switch it with Pulse and Tbolt. Should I keep Suicune and lose Snorlax or lose Lax and keep Suicune?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 06:52:14 No.46111490 Report

Quoted By: >>46111534 >>46111553

>>46110166
Since you're not speedrunning, it's worth it to raise more than just three Pokemon in order to take advantage of each facility's ruleset rather than trying for a one-size-fits-all approach. For instance, anything that relies on its item is useless in the Castle and Arcade, since they don't let you take items in.
TTar is pretty slow and bulky for the Tower (generally you want to outspeed to avoid hax), but Sand Stream was incredibly useful in the Arcade because it canceled out any weather panels I landed on. Turning Fog into a free space saved my ass a lot. Sand also gave it a free SpDef boost, meaning it could function well without an item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 07:04:51 No.46111534 Report

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>>46111490
How about this as a revised team?

Latios (M) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
- Grass Knot
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Hydro Pump

Snorlax @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 188 HP / 104 Def / 216 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Return
- Crunch
- Rest

Dragonite @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Pursuit
- Superpower

Infernape @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- U-turn
- Fire Blast
- Flare Blitz

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 07:07:49 No.46111553 Report

Quoted By: >>46113231

>>46111490
How about this as a revised team?

Latios (M) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Grass Knot
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Hydro Pump

Snorlax @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Atk
Adamant Nature
- Curse
- Return
- Crunch
- Rest

Dragonite @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Pursuit
- Superpower

Infernape @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- U-turn
- Fire Blast
- Flare Blitz

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Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 07:37:43 No.46111682 Report

Quoted By: >>46111726 >>46112302

>>46110166
I’ve been casually going at the battle frontier in Soul Silver for a couple months now, here’s what I’ve learned.

First and foremost, there’s a Smogon thread that has BF records and strategies. I highly recommend checking it out, pretty easy to find off a google search. That’ll give you good comparisons for your team.

For the factory: You don’t need your own dudes, but read a guide. Probably the most difficult imo. Too much to explain here.

For the hall: Get a fast and hard-hitting mon with lots of coverage. Focus sash is mandatory so that you can live and 2hko mons you’re weak to. Garchomp is king here, surprise surprise. Start with your hardest types and end with easiest. Remember shedinja exists.

For the arcade: Just try to hit the best thing on the board every time. Line up two options you don’t mind in a row in case you misclick so you at least hit one. Like the other anon said, you don’t get your items here so make sure your mons are good without them.

For the castle: Similar to the arcade, the whole castle system is your focus and I don’t think you get your items (at least not right away). You get more castle points each round if you don’t lose health, so fast sweepers are great to rack up cp early. Use cp to scout each team and buff yourself/cripple them accordingly, having a list of mons here is helpful.

For the tower: The tower is another beast entirely, especially if you’re going for 100. I’ve got the gold print with an aggressive team (streak ended 54, physical cb infernape, life orb starmie, sd chomp with lum), but it’s not easy. With so many battles, you will inevitably get haxed to death by brightpowder, quick claw, ohko moves, criticals, etc. The tried and true method is to have a mon with choice scarf lead, trick and cripple their lead (lock them into a move and then twave/flash/memento or something), and then switch and set up 6 dragon dances or something equivalently broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 07:49:01 No.46111726 Report

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>>46111682
Long story short, the AI will always be out to get you so you HAVE to exploit it. What I’ve found when playing and experimenting with different mons is that having a team core that resist each other’s weaknesses is super helpful. At a certain point, the AI will play smart and always choose super effective moves, so you can make easy switches or even pp stall something out if you have to (a bulky mon w/leftovers + a mon with an immunity can do this and take next to no damage if you play your cards right, ie registeel and salamence against a ground/rock attacker). Remember that it’s not like fighting other players, so don’t play fair and don’t think too far ahead. Having a list of the battle facility’s pokemon readily available is nice too, but not entirely necessary. Bulbapedia has a solid and easy to read list, at least for the tower. Also, don’t forget that shedinja exists. With only 3 mons in singles, it’s almost too easy to end up in a situation where you can’t deal with a 1hp bug. Hope this helps. Definitely go fund the Smogon thread with records and teams before you commit to ev training, and good luck!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 09:01:20 No.46112027 Report

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>>46110166
I prefer using Life Orb on my Latios with Draco Meteor, Surf, Calm Mind, and Recover. Surf will give you nice coverage and will take care of Palmer's Heatran with ease. You can swap out Calm Mind for Psychic or Thunderbolt since you already have a Calm Mind user.

Consider using Scizor instead of Snorlax. Having something that can revenge kill easily is great and covers your weaknesses for Latios and Suicune barring Electric. I used Choice Band with 252 HP/252 Atk. If you don't liked being locked in you can put on a Metal Coat/Iron plate. Alternatively you can run a bulky Swords Dance with Roost.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 10:08:23 No.46112302 Report

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>>46111682
Adding to this: I got a lot of mileage out of Focus Sash + Destiny Bond Gengar in the Tower. The AI isn't smart enough to see it coming, even if you used it the previous turn.

Past Set 4, the AI switches from using random moves to effective ones. Try not to switch too much early on since they might do something stupid like Confuse Ray when they could just finish you off. This goes for all the facilities besides the Hall.

I found success with Choice Band in the Hall over Focus Sash, since the whole downside of CB doesn't exist in 1v1. CB gets you kills that prevent you from having to take a hit with Sash in the first place, plus no risk of, say, getting frozen. Even with CB, I specifically ran Fire Blast on Chomp to deal with a few Sash + Counter mons like Scizor, Forretress, and Meganium.

Arcade luckily has Team Preview, so just try to minimize risk on the board. Prioritize safety over fucking your opponent over.

The Castle lets you skip battles after Set 3 for 50 CP each. Buff all your opponents to Level 55 early on and rake in the CP, then save it all up. I managed to skip from fight 31 all the way to 49, the Gold Print, with ~900 CP. Probably makes it the easiest facility.

The Factory is complete bullshit. I recommend RNG Manipulation. Otherwise you are literally ramming your head against a wall until the game decides to let you win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 14:25:39 No.46113231 Report

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>>46111553
Looks like a fun team with a lot of options for different facilities. I've wanted to try Infernape in the BF for a while but never got around to training one

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